On 24 Apr, Mike Bilow wrote:
If this can be accomplished, I think it would be a good idea. It is obviously
going to be a lot of work, though. This worries me.
Joop is helping and it isn't anywhere near as much work as you might
imagine.
In fairness, most of the equipment manufacturers do
terry wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
t I think what the HAM-HOWTO will become (at least from an LDP
t perspective) would be more relevant. The HAM-HOWTO, I think,
t will become a "HOWTO use Linux for Amateur Radio". The
t catalog, which is all it is currently, will be replaced by
t the
Please bear in mind that there is a huge land mass apart from the US. and to
restrict to US publications , albeit obtainable at extra cost outside the US
would be foolhardy. At least in it's present format it is accessible, and
moreover , accessible to the largest population using a single
Bown, Richard wrote:
Please bear in mind that there is a huge land mass apart from the US. and to
restrict to US publications , albeit obtainable at extra cost outside the US
would be foolhardy. At least in it's present format it is accessible, and
moreover , accessible to the largest
Terry Dawson wrote:
I personally see little point in putting catalogues/indexs into books.
I agree. The value of such listings isn't worth the cost. If there is a
disk included, it might make sense to provide a snapshot of the database
of applications on the disk, as long as there are clear
On 22 Apr, Bown, Richard wrote:
Please bear in mind that there is a huge land mass apart from the US. and to
restrict to US publications , albeit obtainable at extra cost outside the US
would be foolhardy. At least in it's present format it is accessible, and
moreover , accessible to the
On 22 Apr, Jon Bloom wrote:
One reason why I want to see the size (and thus the cost and the
financial risk) not grow *too* large is because on this nonexclusivity.
Whatever the market for this document may be, clearly only a fraction of
it lies in physical media.
I almost can't believe you
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There have been attempts to do this sort of thing before, most notably
Bruce
Perens' "Linux for Hams" project.
I thought that was going to be a Linux distribution, not a book?
What really worries me is that a decent book
of 100-200 pages on using Linux for ham
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Terry Dawson wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
TD I'd be interested to know if the ARRL would be interested in
TD publishing something of this nature?
It seems a good project for the ARRL. One option might be to serialize it
in
QST over a period of time, perhaps
Hi Jon.
What really worries me is that a decent book of 100-200 pages on
using Linux for ham radio would tend to be too short, and a
proper treatment would take at least six months to write -- by
which time it would be largely out of date.
First, please understand that I don't make
On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 06:30:19PM +0100, Riley Williams wrote:
Section 3: An index to software available for the ham to help
with his or her hobby, grouped by category, and an
index to the same software listed alphabetically by
name, both stating
On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 10:08:47AM -0400, Bloom, Jon, KE3Z wrote:
The next step, it seems to me, is to put together an outline of the book.
Trying to determine a page count is pointless until you know what material
you're going to cover.
Jon,
Let's see what the outline of the HOWTO that
Terry Dawson wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
TD It really doesn't matter the significance. I've already
TD registered the "Radio Amateurs Guide" (RAG) as a project
TD with the LDP coordinator. I've done nothing with it for a
TD couple of years because really, it wasn't clear to me that
Bloom, Jon, KE3Z wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
I'd be interested to know if the ARRL would be interested in
publishing something of this nature?
BJ Quite possibly, particularly if what we are talking about is
BJ just using existing PostScript and wrapping some cover art
BJ
On Tue, Apr 20, 1999 at 02:56:00PM -, Mike Bilow wrote:
Jameson Burt wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
JB Because the HAM-HOWTO has not been updated in 2 years, someone
JB new should take over its maintenance. I can think of a couple
JB extra class HAMs who spend much time writing
On 20 Apr, Mike Bilow wrote:
Handbook or otherwise. A lot of this would depend upon the length. At the
risk of suggesting myself into a project, it might be worth considering a
Linux-specific feature in the ARRL Handbook in connection with the "computers
in ham radio" coverage, of which
As a reaction on his email, I will volunteer to help if there is an
intrest in two separate Howto's.
Martin
PD1AJE
The Netherlands
On Sun, 11 Apr 1999, Benedict P. Barszcz wrote:
On 12 Apr 99, at 9:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all,
There are a few reasons why I'd like
terry wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
t What I'm imagining by way of a web site would require a
t relational database at the back end though, something like
t MySql, etc. and preferably something like PHP3 supported by the
t server.
My understanding is that you want a site where
terry wrote in a message to Mike Bilow:
t 1 The LDP may decide it is no longer to be a HOWTO no matter how
t much you'd like it to be.
The LDP is unlikely to revoke HOWTO status for something that has been in as
long as the HAM HOWTO, as long as it has a maintainer. They might be more
On Fri, Apr 16, 1999 at 08:40:00PM -, Mike Bilow wrote:
The LDP is unlikely to revoke HOWTO status for something that has been in as
long as the HAM HOWTO, as long as it has a maintainer. They might be more
selective about new additions, but we get a lot of benefit from inertia.
You
I hope the HAM-HOWTO remains.
Like many Linux users, I "find . -type f |xargs egrep -il ..." a HOWTO
mirrored directory structure to find any information on linux software.
Any way, besides the HAM-HOWTO, to convey HAM information for Linux would hint
that Linux was an after-thought.
While
On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 03:50:30PM +0100, Dirk Koopman wrote:
Maybe a way forward is to look at 'DocBook' format, which is used by the
gnome people (amongst others). This seems to be a pretty useful sgml DTD
which has tools to convert it to every format you are likely to want already
written.
On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 12:48:11PM -0400, Bloom, Jon, KE3Z wrote:
It would be nice to continue to have a ham radio presence within the LDP
(other than the AX25-HOWTO). Terry, can you briefly synopsize the
requirements that a HOWTO must conform to? Is the problem with the current
HAM-HOWTO
From: Terry Dawson
On Wed, Apr 14, 1999 at 12:48:11PM -0400, Bloom, Jon, KE3Z wrote:
I don't know how feasible this would be. What would you describe? How to
install and use the software? HOWTO documents aren't meant to be
replacements
for proper software user manuals.
Well, just off the
On Thu, Apr 15, 1999 at 12:31:29AM -0400, Jameson Burt wrote:
I hope the HAM-HOWTO remains.
But it is not a HOWTO in anything but name!
Like many Linux users, I "find . -type f |xargs egrep -il ..." a HOWTO
mirrored directory structure to find any information on linux software.
Any way,
On 15 Apr, Patrick Ouellette wrote:
A good example is Scientific Applications on Linux http://SAL.KachinaTech.COM
It has description of the software, if .deb or .rpm files exist, and links
to the software. I think Jon's offer to host it at the ARRL is an excellent
idea ( or any well known
On 15 Apr, Benedict P. Barszcz wrote:
It seems that HAM-HOWTO does not fit the description. It seems
to me that Terry wants to make it clear that there is no sense of
continuing HAM-HOWTO in its present, non-conforming form.
Yes, that is pretty much what I'm on about.
Please note all, that
On 11 Apr, Benedict P. Barszcz wrote:
My suggestion would be to split the original ax25-howto into at
least two other howtos: ham-protocols-howto and ham-drivers-
howto. Perhaps there exist even more damark lines along which
one could devide all of the material contained in the current
On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Terry Dawson wrote:
On Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 09:00:58PM -0400, Bruce O. Benson wrote:
Eric Raymond sat down with me once ansd showed me how he collated/edited
the last
edition of the HOWTOs. Basically he whipped all of the authors into a
single format that could
On Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 09:46:07AM -0400, Al Woodhull wrote:
Maybe I missed something along the way, could you provide information or a
pointer to information about the proposed redefinition of the HOWTO
format? Perhaps someone else will be willing to take up the conversion or
re-creation of
Another point in favor of HOWTO format is that there is already a software
infrastructure for automatic conversion of SGML source to HTML and most other
formats considered generally useful. As a result, if the document source is
maintained as SGML source as a HOWTO, exporting it to HTML
Terry Dawson wrote:
What I'm trying to say is that there is no way that a catalog of software
can be converted to conform to the LDP definition of a HOWTO document.
When it comes to trying to find people to help, I've already tried that,
and received exactly one response, from Alan
On 14-Apr-99 Bruce O. Benson wrote:
Eric Raymond sat down with me once ansd showed me how he collated/edited
the last
edition of the HOWTOs. Basically he whipped all of the authors into a
single format that could be easily typeset adn put up as HTML. I think it
was SGMLI could ask if
I can't point you to any public references to changes in the organisation
and architecture of the LDP, because there are none. We don't have a
public
face beyond the LDP home site. The discussions have been on the LDP
mailing
list and amongst LDP authors.
It would be nice to continue to have
On 12 Apr, Joop Stakenborg wrote:
I could easily make my web-ages available as a tarball, could even
make them available as deb and rpm packages for everyone to download.
Is this a good idea?
Perhaps.
This way, the information will get spread into all distributions, for
those who do not
Hi Jon.
We've been the benificiaries of using Linux for our Web server
for more than 3 years. Used to do all our email on Linux, too,
before the IS folks got involved and went to NT :-(
So I think it's only fair if in return I offer to host a Linux
ham-radio section on www.arrl.org.
On Mon, Apr 12, 1999 at 08:13:33AM +0100, Riley Williams wrote:
Also, a website on the subject would probably do a better job of
things than a document hidden away in some obscure directory where
people don't in general expect to find suchlike lists...
Joop has already developed a web site
On Tue, Apr 13, 1999 at 03:46:51PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 12 Apr, Joop Stakenborg wrote:
My provider does not support cgi-scripts, so a search engine is impossible.
That presents a problem then to implement what I have in mind.
Perhaps you could work with me on building
I think Mike's comments are very apt. I have installed a number of Linux
systems at home and at work. My work is at a university, and the systems
there are going to expose quite a few of my colleagues and student workers
to Linux for the first time, and perhaps through Linux, to ham radio. The
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What I'm imagining by way of a web site would require a relational
database at the back end though, something like MySql, etc. and
preferably something like PHP3 supported by the server.
That's pretty much what we use here, although I've never gotten around to
Hi all,
[...]
But this isn't sufficient. There needs to be a place where people can obtain
step by step information on how to setup the software, that you are cataloging
so dilligently.
Not only how to setup, but also to find the software itself. The best
thing in the current form, in my
I think it will be good to have a central nice home page (something like
"http://linuxhams.org") with links pointing to:
http://filewatcher.org/lfw/cat/Ham_Radio/
http://www.casema.net/~aba/
Links to other important documents (ax25 howtos, home pages about some
drivers, etc...)
--
Saludos de
On Mon, 12 Apr 1999, Bloom, Jon, KE3Z wrote:
We've been the benificiaries of using Linux for our Web server for more than
3 years. Used to do all our email on Linux, too, before the IS folks got
involved and went to NT :-(
Yes, very :-(
So I think it's only fair if in return I offer to
Hi Terry.
The HAM-HOWTO was initially designed to promote awareness of
Linux as a computing platform ideal for amateur radio software
and development. The LDP HOWTO format was adopted because it was
widely known and there were no other mechanisms to fill the role
of collating lists of
Hello all,
The HAM-HOWTO was initially designed to promote awareness of Linux as
a computing platform ideal for amateur radio software and development.
The LDP HOWTO format was adopted because it was widely known and there
were no other mechanisms to fill the role of collating lists of
software
I'm pretty much a lurker on this list, and I'm not very active as a ham.
The HAM-HOWTO has a place in my heart as a place I can go to get an
overview of what sort of stuff people have worked on and what I might play
with if I had more time for hobbies. It is one of the HOWTOs that I bother
to
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