Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Stanislav Malyshev
GF The orange site is payed for by your money (as a client) and as part of GF the service you are entitled to. What also surprises me is that in your face attitude of the webmaster. Like: we like our site and if you don't, screw you. Though, most isrraely companies did not grow out of the stage

Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Gabor Szabo
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: I wonder would they, say, sell mobile phones that operate only in Hungarian and say to the customers - we think Hungarian is a magnificent language and we spent a lot of money to get such phones. Well, I probably would buy that phone :-)

Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Monday, Nov 3, 2003, at 22:35 Asia/Jerusalem, Shlomi Fish wrote: I regret being so blunt but, no, we are not going to change our website in the near future. We have developed an amazing website, amazing? By this do you mean full of non-portable bells and whistles, and other idiosyncracies?

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Ely Levy
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Here is my opinion: any one of this 3 sounds cool. I put here only the downsides of each approach. gtk: * not object oriented (looks un-natural to build gui's in no oop language) * looks funkey on win32 qt: * not free in win32 Actually it is

Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Hi list, Just came back from a meeting with Gadi Gilon. For those who don't remeber, he is the CIO of Kupat Cholim Klalit. He stumbled upon the last time his name was mentioned on this list (thread starting at http://plasma-gate.weizmann.ac.il/Linux/maillists/03/09/msg00296.html), and wanted

Direction of ruler in OpenOffice.org

2003-11-04 Thread Yehuda Berlinger
Hi. I am probably in the wrong place. Please direct me to the right place. I have the regular version of OpenOffice.org, because I want the menus in English. If I can get English menus in the Hebrew version, please inform me. In any case, I can type in Hebrew in the regular version, and

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Here is my opinion: any one of this 3 sounds cool. I put here only the downsides of each approach. gtk: * not object oriented (looks un-natural to build gui's in no oop language) * looks funkey on win32

Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Shoshannah Forbes wrote: On Monday, Nov 3, 2003, at 22:35 Asia/Jerusalem, Shlomi Fish wrote: I regret being so blunt but, no, we are not going to change our website in the near future. We have developed an amazing website, amazing? By this do you mean full of non-portable bells and whistles,

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Here is my opinion: any one of this 3 sounds cool. I put here only the downsides of each approach. gtk: * not object oriented (looks un-natural to build

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Ez-Aton
My donation: Of course not every user can change software on machines in every hospital. Users can't do a thing. One of the highlights of a Unix (and of course, a Linux) management, is that it can be managed from one sigle center point, and easilly. Assuming, for the matter, that there are zero

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
Hi, First, I want to say that this is one of the most interesting emails I read recently. On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:47:43AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi list, Just came back from a meeting with Gadi Gilon. For those who don't remeber, he is the CIO of Kupat Cholim Klalit. He stumbled

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Ely Levy
Well it's a bit weird, for once I remember it was fully GPLed few month ago now they seem to change it so although there is GPLed version of QT for windows only academic people can download it but since it's fully GPLed I don't see how they how they can stop anyone who isn't academic from copying

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Here is my opinion: any one of this 3 sounds cool. I put here only the downsides of each approach. gtk: * not object oriented (looks un-natural to build gui's in no oop language) I beg your pardon? Gtk+ is Object-Oriented. And you can do OOP in

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Ely Levy
btw if you want to even get more confuzed http://www.trolltech.com/download/index.html notice the educational version is under the GPL section if you look on the licence part of the page it would tell you it's under educational license so I guess their webpage is a bit not updated to one side

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Oded Arbel
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 07:07:05PM -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Was waiting for someone else to mention that, but no one did. Perhaps PyGTK (Python + GTK bindings) is the best to go these days. There are thousands of small and large examples out there to copy from ;-). Ruby + GTK seems

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Oded Arbel
Well it's a bit weird, for once I remember it was fully GPLed few month ago now they seem to change it so although there is GPLed version of QT for windows only academic people can download it but since it's fully GPLed I don't see how they how they can stop anyone who isn't academic from

Re: GUI language for beginners (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Shlomi Fish
Mail mishaps. -- Shlomi Fish[EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://t2.technion.ac.il/~shlomif/ Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed. Matt

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 04:03:02AM -0500, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Here is my opinion: any one of this 3 sounds cool. I put here only the downsides of each

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Hi list, Just came back from a meeting with Gadi Gilon. For those who don't remeber, he is the CIO of Kupat Cholim Klalit. He stumbled upon the last time his name was mentioned on this list (thread starting at

Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Amichai Rotman
I have recently upgraded my cell phone to a Motorola C350, a GPRS based phone, which rose the need to use the Orange Web Site. Up until now I used the nifty SendSMS script (By Nadav and others) and saw no need to access a Mirosoftia-only based Web site. Nothing for me over there. Now I disover

Please Modify your Web site to conform to W3C standards not only for Linux but also due to other reasons...

2003-11-04 Thread Omer Zak
I am one of the developers of the Hebrew support for Nokia 9110, Nokia 9210/9210i and other Symbian based smartphones. I am also a customer of Orange. Some of those smartphones have the Opera Web browser built in or available as an installable application. This Web browser was designed to be W3C

Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote: On Monday, Nov 3, 2003, at 22:35 Asia/Jerusalem, Shlomi Fish wrote: I regret being so blunt but, no, we are not going to change our website in the near future. We have developed an amazing website, amazing? By this do you mean full of

RE: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Tal, Shachar
-Original Message- From: Shlomi Fish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:46 PM To: Shachar Shemesh Cc: Linux-IL mailing list Subject: Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon I'm fine with it. Albeit, it could turn into a one against many flame-war. Then we'll just have to

Re: GUI language for beginners

2003-11-04 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Tue, 4 Nov 2003, Ely Levy wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Diego Iastrubni wrote: Here is my opinion: any one of this 3 sounds cool. I put here only the downsides of each approach. gtk:

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
One note: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:47:43AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Now, I tried to point the practical reasons behind the social contract, and his response rather suprised me. Basically, he has contracts with all of his software vendors that gives him full access to the source

RE: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Tal, Shachar
Shachar Tal Verint Systems -Original Message- From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:25 PM To: Linux-IL mailing list Subject: Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/10/18/1814211.shtml?tid=132tid=82tid= 89 What

Re: brief naps (aftermath)

2003-11-04 Thread Ehud Karni
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:30:15 +0200, Ami Chayun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of results: 1) The rdtscll Pentium instruction (Eran's answer) is very useful. It's super accurate and right now I decided to use it mostly to benchmark other

Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Shoshannah Forbes
On Tuesday, Nov 4, 2003, at 11:12 Asia/Jerusalem, Shachar Shemesh wrote: W3C has standards, but IE doesn't support them It *does* support most of them. It is just that mozilla supports more. But as the things that IE doesn't support are not done in IE *at all*, why would that make any

Re: brief naps (aftermath)

2003-11-04 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 14:43, Ehud Karni wrote: I tested the select call on various machines. 1. It is not accurate enough (2 ms deviations). Yes it does, you don't seem to use sched_setscheduler in your test program to give your proccess real time priority. setpriority only changes

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and his response rather suprised me. Basically, he has contracts with all of his software vendors that gives him full access to the source code in case the company goes under. His basic premesis was I can get competition over support in

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: And no, Didi, I don't think even Clalit have source code access to Windows, but I am sure they have a support contract with redmond and a few MSCEs on staff. Whatever they have with Clalit makes them comfertable enough. I agree that this, under no stretch of imagination,

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: One note: On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 10:47:43AM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Now, I tried to point the practical reasons behind the social contract, and his response rather suprised me. Basically, he has contracts with all of his software vendors that gives him full

Re: ???: Re: ???: http://www.orange.co.il/catalog/ is unviewable in Mozilla {ID:36786727} (fwd)

2003-11-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Shoshannah Forbes wrote: It can be done. off the top of my head: http://www.espn.com http://www.csszengarden.com/ http://www.wired.com/ Those are not flashy. Those are just formed. I think they are talking about DOM things popping up and down on screen sortof thing. Shachar --

Re: brief naps (aftermath)

2003-11-04 Thread Ami Chayun
If you don't set your process to SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR (only possible as root) and give it realtime priority, you can never be sure to wake up in time (see Gilad's message in the thread). From my understanding, if you recompile the kernel with HZ value higher than 1000, you can use nanosleep or

sms hardware solutions

2003-11-04 Thread Nathan Fain
I'm trying to find a solution for sending SMS alerts which does not rely on internet connectivity via my LAN. The objective being to send BigBrother alerts and whatnot via the hardware solution. I've spoken with Orange and they have some limited solutions and I'm curious what others have

sms solutions for corp. network alerts

2003-11-04 Thread Nathan Fain
I'm trying to find a solution for sending SMS alerts which does not rely on internet connectivity via my LAN. The objective being to send BigBrother alerts and whatnot via the hardware solution. I've spoken with Orange and they have some limited solutions and I'm curious what others have

Re: sms solutions for corp. network alerts

2003-11-04 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Tuesday 04 November 2003 17:45, Nathan Fain wrote: I'm trying to find a solution for sending SMS alerts which does not rely on internet connectivity via my LAN. The objective being to send BigBrother alerts and whatnot via the hardware solution. I've spoken with Orange and they have some

Re: sms hardware solutions

2003-11-04 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Nathan Fain wrote: I'm trying to find a solution for sending SMS alerts which does not rely on internet connectivity via my LAN. The objective being to send BigBrother alerts and whatnot via the hardware solution. I've spoken with Orange and they have some limited solutions and I'm

MIS for linux

2003-11-04 Thread Baruch Shpirer
Hi, Anyone know of any corporate size linux solution for MIS ? Thanks = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL

Re: sms solutions for corp. network alerts

2003-11-04 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Nov 04, 2003 at 05:45:45PM +0200, Nathan Fain wrote: I'm trying to find a solution for sending SMS alerts which does not rely on internet connectivity via my LAN. The objective being to send BigBrother alerts and whatnot via the hardware solution. I've spoken with Orange and they

RE: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread Rony Shapiro
Hi, Thanks for summazing the discussion for the list - indeed an interesting subject. I'm probably issing the context of the discussion, but I really don't understand why Mr. Gilon feels that a commercial organization should even consider adopting Open Source software (or anything, for that

Re: Meeting with Gadi Gilon

2003-11-04 Thread dittigas
On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 15:17, Shachar Shemesh wrote: I brought that example up. He was not impressed. Apparently, Clalit went, succesfully, through a court proceeding to enforce such a settelment without even having the actual source mentioned in a contract. There are two issues: Writing

[Article] Open Source in Israel

2003-11-04 Thread Oren Held
Evening Sirs, Here's an article posted few days ago in some Australian Linux magazine about Open Source / Linux in Israel. I'd say they made it all look too good, but it's better than making it look too bad :)