Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-07 Thread sara fink
Don't do the mistake to move to Hot. It will be the mistake of your life. Lots of disconnections, old modems, bad service, over charging,waiting on the phone line at least 20 min). I don't want to name all the defects. Even their CEO Kaminitz agrees that they have to improve the service. Their i

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Shachar Shemesh wrote: Einstein is a fond memory as far as simplicity goes, but there it ends. I do NOT want to go back to that. I worked with it too long ago to remember the details, but I vaguely remember the sigh of relief I had when I moved to logical order editors as far as line splittin

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-07 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 05:41 +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: > I'm thinking of moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable). I wanted to know 2 things: > > 1 - Since today I have an ADSL router (bought from Bezek), I no longer use > pptp, NAT or any other Linux tools to connect to the Internet. The router is > t

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Nadav Har'El wrote: Another presentation was given there on a similar topic by Eli Zaretskii who focused, believe it or not, on the MS-DOS EinsteinWriter (yes, this editor was an antique even at that time ;-)), and how well it treated (in his opinion) cursor movement. I'm not sure Eli's opinions

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Nadav Har'El wrote: When you put it this way, it might not sound very useful, but what if we're talking about part of an hebrew sentence and a piece of punctuation or whitespace that actually belongs to the English part, but you don't know that? Hard for me to answer. Care to give an example? Se

moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-07 Thread Shlomo Solomon
I'm thinking of moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable). I wanted to know 2 things: 1 - Since today I have an ADSL router (bought from Bezek), I no longer use pptp, NAT or any other Linux tools to connect to the Internet. The router is the only "computer" connected and all my Linux boxes (and my kids' W

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Omer Zak
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 14:29 +0200, Matitiahu Allouche wrote: > I have some contacts with Arabic experts, and I can tell you that for > their market, showing unshaped (improperly connected) letters, even in > proper ordering, is considered unacceptable. All the more with LTR > ordering. Then a

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection": > I agree with Omer that visual selection does not seem all that useful to > me. I am at a loss to think of what use to the end user a selection > containing the end of the Hebrew part of a sentence f

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection": > We are talking about a very lengthy focus group and marketing research > effort, not about springing a new feature on the unsuspecting bidi public. > > B.C. Beck at Sun and Doug Felt at IBM imp

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Mati, I think that Omer's proposal is interesting and that we can't prejudge the average joe's reaction to it. There are a lot of features that are harder than this one to understand and to use in OOo. I think that it's worth including in a special or bonus release to see how it will go over

Re: Planning a room using Dia/Kivio

2008-10-07 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 07 October 2008, Oren Held wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for a Linux software for planning a room. MS Visio does a fine > job in MS Windows. > > Dia & Kivio should be the Visio alternatives, but I couldn't find (neither > in the software or on the net) shapes for room objects (doors, wind

Re: Planning a room using Dia/Kivio

2008-10-07 Thread Meir Michanie
what about "Sweet Home" ? http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/issues/2008/95/projects_on_the_move > - Original Message - > Subject: Planning a room using Dia/Kivio > From: Oren Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Linux-IL" > Date: 07-10-2008 14:44 > > > Hi, > > I'm looking for a Linux software

Planning a room using Dia/Kivio

2008-10-07 Thread Oren Held
Hi, I'm looking for a Linux software for planning a room. MS Visio does a fine job in MS Windows. Dia & Kivio should be the Visio alternatives, but I couldn't find (neither in the software or on the net) shapes for room objects (doors, windows, beds). Any idea? 10x - Oren =

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Matitiahu Allouche
Omer Zak wrote: There are several possibilities for improving the selection GUI look&feel in this case: 1. Turn off BiDi ordering for the entire file (useful by itself for blind computer users; not directly related to our problem). 2. Manually turn off BiDi ordering for a text segment (say, a p

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Matitiahu Allouche wrote: [snip] This being said, my personal opinion is that visual selection is a wonderfully intuitive way to perform something which most often does not make sense. In the cases where visual selection is different from logical selection, which is when the

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Omer Zak wrote: Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:04:58 +0200 From: Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: linux-il Subject: Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection Hello Jonathan, I think I begin to understand what you are trying to accomplish. It is indeed difficult to precisely s

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Matitiahu Allouche
If you do usability tests, you will generally find that users prefer a visual approach. It is much easier to explain and to understand visual selection than logical selection. This being said, my personal opinion is that visual selection is a wonderfully intuitive way to perform something wh

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Omer Zak
Hello Jonathan, I think I begin to understand what you are trying to accomplish. It is indeed difficult to precisely select a text segment when there are several spans of different directionality properties (LTR/RTL, strong/weak, overrides, etc.) at its borders. There are several possibilities f

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
Hi Nadav, How about transferring the material as a whole to a community server, like hamakor's or iglu's, where other sysadmins will take care of the machine anyhow? As important as the ivrix site was, I doubt it will be a burden on an existing server. Orna. On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Nadav

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Omer Zak wrote: Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:23:32 +0200 From: Omer Zak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: linux-il Subject: Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection From the discussion below, I understand that Shachar and me use the same definition of "visual selection". You drag t

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about "[YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection": > > What happened to ivrix.org.il? Unfortunately, the machine hosting ivrix.org.il has crashed over a year ago, and though I do have a replacement, with everything else going on in my life I never ha

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Omer Zak
>From the discussion below, I understand that Shachar and me use the same definition of "visual selection". You drag the mouse from column X to column Y in the same row of the display, and get whatever text which happens to be displayed between those columns (the text could have been from differen

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
Hi Shachar, If you turn off bidi ordering an display the characters of a mixed text from RTL or from LTR in the order that the characters were entered, then logical text selection is identical to visual selection to the user. This is what Omer suggested. I believe that it would be very helpful

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Right, that's what the qualifier "in effect" means. Visual selection, to me, means "selecting text from a continuous block of visually ordered text". If the text is not visually ordered then the selection cannot be considered "visual". I conceded that definitions ma

Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text Selection

2008-10-07 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Tue, 7 Oct 2008, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:52:01 +0200 From: Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jonathan Ben Avraham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: linux-il , Brian C. Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan Yaniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [YBA] Logical VS Visual Text