to move to Israel with my wife. We've managed to land ourselves
a good deal for cable Internet, and I've been reading conflicting
information about how it works. The howto at
http://tx.technion.ac.il/~eyalroz/linux_cable_pptp.html says that everyone
uses PPTP. The howto at htt
Hi,
El lun, 16-04-2007 a las 10:46 +1000, Geoff Shang escribió:
> I'm about to move to Israel with my wife. We've managed to land ourselves
> a good deal for cable Internet, and I've been reading conflicting
> information about how it works.
The best way I foun
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Julian Daich wrote:
[snip]
El lun, 16-04-2007 a las 10:46 +1000, Geoff Shang escribi?:
I'm about to move to Israel with my wife. We've managed to land ourselves
a good deal for cable Internet, and I've been reading conflicting
information about how it
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:40:23AM +0300, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
> >AFAIK and at least until four months ago, cable uses L2TP. For more
> >information check out
> >http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/BrdBandDefs/BrdBandDefs.htm
>
> This is a Hebrew article - is there something similar in English
El lun, 16-04-2007 a las 10:40 +0300, Jonathan Ben Avraham escribió:
> > http://www.netcheif.com/Articles/BrdBandDefs/BrdBandDefs.htm
>
> This is a Hebrew article - is there something similar in English?
>
>- yba
You are right. Sorry( see original Geoff comments bellow). At least the
word L
Just a small correction
> I've never seen anything like it. BTW, routers purchased in the U.S.
> WON'T work here. The only exception is the Linksys WRTG54-L (linux
> version) with third party firmware.
I have a D-LINK 614+ router purchased in the USA, and it works fine here
Hello,
Thanks to everyone who responded.
So it seems that some howtos need updating. Ok so since I'm going to get a
router eventually anyway, I need to get one that does L2TP, right? Are
most Israeli routers L2TP enabled or do I need to specifically ask for it?
I was hoping in the short te
Hi!
ADSL standard is PPPoE .
Dani
Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded.
>
> So it seems that some howtos need updating. Ok so since I'm going to
> get a router eventually anyway, I need to get one that does L2TP,
> right? Are most Israeli routers L2TP enabled or d
El lun, 16-04-2007 a las 21:51 +1000, Geoff Shang escribió:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded.
>
> So it seems that some howtos need updating. Ok so since I'm going to get a
> router eventually anyway, I need to get one that does L2TP, right? Are
> most Israeli routers L2TP enable
I haven't seen it appear
yet, so thought I'd post it here in stead.
I'm about to move to Israel with my wife. We've managed to land
ourselves a good deal for cable Internet, and I've been reading
conflicting information about how it works. The howto at
http://tx.techn
Hi Clan,
I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem:
Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's
cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the
following contents:
# cat /etc/resolv.conf
nameserver 192.168.101.101
I
Hi
I would like to know which cable internet service providers
in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems
work smoothly with Linux
Thanks
Boris
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On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:58:26PM +0300, Amichai Rotman wrote:
> How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs,
Use common sense... If that happen *after* you run a script... What
can cause that.. hmm
>
> Thanks,
>
> Amichai.
>
>
Amichai Rotman wrote:
Hi Clan,
I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem:
Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's
cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the
following contents:
# cat /etc/resolv.conf
namese
Guy Cohen wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:58:26PM +0300, Amichai Rotman wrote:
How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs,
Use common sense... If that happen *after* you run a script... What
can cause that.. hmm
Not a very good lead, in this case.
The script
Simple.
Does any one of your network cards uses DHCP to get its IP address?
If it does, then the DHCP server may also change the DNS settings,
hence, the resolv.conf changes.
(My Internet connection script, also restores the old resolv.conf after
I connect to the ISP)
--
Take care,
Gilboa Davara
Amichai Rotman wrote:
Hi Clan,
I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem:
Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's
cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the
following contents:
Hello Amichai you're problem
I have a similar symptom on my machine. Debian, Cables (actcom) (forgot
anythign important?).
On my machine, after a connection is made, /etc/resolve.conf is being
written nicely and all a-o.k. . BUT, after I've some time, when
connection time exceedded ~12h, I have noticed it have "fallen". A m
Boaz Rymland wrote:
I have a similar symptom on my machine. Debian, Cables (actcom)
(forgot anythign important?).
On my machine, after a connection is made, /etc/resolve.conf is being
written nicely and all a-o.k. . BUT, after I've some time, when
connection time exceedded ~12h, I have noticed
Boaz Rymland wrote:
I have a similar symptom on my machine. Debian, Cables (actcom)
(forgot anythign important?).
On my machine, after a connection is made, /etc/resolve.conf is being
written nicely and all a-o.k. . BUT, after I've some time, when
connection time exceedded ~12h, I have noticed
> Except that it is an ugly patch. You did find the core of the problem,
> however.
Ugly indeed, I must agree.
Linux gives you the power to find and correct the problem, not so with the
time nessecarry to do so... .
> So now we only get to the solution - is there any way to configure DHCP
> clie
As I have a local caching DNS server which uses my ISP DNS servers as
forwarders and I do not want the resolve.conf (which points to my DNS)
to be overwritten, I just did:
chattr +i /etc/resolve.conf
Guy
On Sat, 2003-06-21 at 23:36, Boaz Rymland wrote:
> > Except that it is an ugly patch. You d
On Saturday 21 June 2003 19:58, Amichai Rotman wrote:
> Hi Clan,
>
> I have moved to MDK 9.1 and since then I have a weird DNS problem:
>
> Every time I restart the network or connect to the Net (using NetVision's
> cablestart script) the /etc/resolv.conf file gets overwritten with the
> following
On Saturday 21 June 2003 21:14, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Guy Cohen wrote:
> >On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 07:58:26PM +0300, Amichai Rotman wrote:
> >>How can I find out what causes this overwrite? I looked at the logs,
> >
> >Use common sense... If that happen *after* you run a script... What
> >can cau
Mix Sella wrote:
Again. There are precisely two places that deal with resolv.conf:
1) Your dhcpcd that periodically renews leases. Yes, it's stupid. As I told
before, I use -R command line option to prevent dhcpcd from overwriting
/etc/resolv.conf
The problem is that I'm not using dhcpcd. I'm
On Sunday 22 June 2003 10:07, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Mix Sella wrote:
> >Again. There are precisely two places that deal with resolv.conf:
> >
> >1) Your dhcpcd that periodically renews leases. Yes, it's stupid. As I
> > told before, I use -R command line option to prevent dhcpcd from
> > overwri
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 10:07:08AM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Mix Sella wrote:
>
> >Again. There are precisely two places that deal with resolv.conf:
> >
> >1) Your dhcpcd that periodically renews leases. Yes, it's stupid. As I
> >told before, I use -R command line option to prevent dhcpcd f
On Sun, Jun 22, 2003 at 01:48:54PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
>
> in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script the function make_resolv_conf indeed seems
> quite hardwierd. However editing this file is easy (simply override this
> function).
>
> Though according to the dhcp distro (and maybe also the debian po
On Sunday 22 June 2003 16:41, Shaul Karl wrote:
> I am not aware of any limitation for editing it as far as policy is
> concerned. On the contrary. The fact that it is under /etc might
policy or no policy - the bottom line is that when you upgrade the package
it will (or supposed to) notice that
Hi All,
I have a cable connection to the Net (almost) always.
Every day, about the afternoon or evening, it disconnects.
I do not know where and what to look for? Which log file could give me a hint
about the prob?
Thanks,
Amichai.
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Hi,
I have recently joined Internet Zahav, and I wanted to connect them
using my linux.
I have the cables-router(aka. modem) connected to my ethernet adapter,
and i get a private IP using DHCP.
I started reading some information over the Internet about
Netvision. Hands down
1.The ISP wWorks with pptp and l2tp.
2, They have connection instruction and scripts (for both pptp and l2tp) on their site.
3. Their tech support have Linux people.
Gilboa
On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:56 +0200, Boris Zingerman wrote:
Hi
I would like to know which cable
2tp.
> 2, They have connection instruction and scripts (for both pptp and l2tp)
> on their site.
> 3. Their tech support have Linux people.
>
> Gilboa
>
> On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:56 +0200, Boris Zingerman wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would like to know which cable interne
me to
dialer, some shouting at the phone, and searching for another supplier, made
them continue with DHCP.
Will not make my pentium 100Mhz tolerate dialer overhead ;)
On Tuesday 08 March 2005 16:56, Boris Zingerman wrote:
> Hi
>
> I would like to know which cable internet service
> On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:56 +0200, Boris Zingerman wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would like to know which cable internet service providers
>> in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems
>> work smoothly with Linux
>>
>> Thanks
>> Boris
Boris Zingerman wrote:
I would like to know which cable internet service providers
in Israel are most Linux friendly, and which cable modems
work smoothly with Linux
Pretty much all cable modems supplied today have an Ethernet jack, since
Windows users won't settle for USB-style speed
Does eth0 go down or does the connection just cease? You could write a script
that would ping some machine and resart the connection or bring up the
interface if the ping doesn't answer.
--
Chaim Keren Tzion | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.. :
Quoti
Chaim Keren Tzion wrote:
Does eth0 go down or does the connection just cease? You could write a script
that would ping some machine and resart the connection or bring up the
interface if the ping doesn't answer.
I had the same problem. I believe that there is some mistic
connection between the w
We've been through a similar discussion and people back then also
suggested the "ping method".
I wonder what's wrong with "maxfail 0"+"persist"?
It works for me for a few months now (not that my line is flaky, but
I noticed that if and when it fails the line gets recovered without my
intervention.
Hi All,
My Cable Internet continues to disconnect randomally.
I am all lost of ideas.
I am connected through Matav Digital to NetVision, using a Terayon TJ715X
cable modem. The link to the Cable company seems to be OK all the time.
It is probably a problem with my config.
I am using the
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 03:43:21PM +0200, Offer Kaye wrote:
> > gave me http://pptpclient.sourceforge.net/howto-fedora.phtml.
> >
>
> Ouch! Looks complicated... :-(
And irrelevant anyway. They're using PPTP as a VPN-to-the-office
solution.
> Ilya, do I have to use this? Can't I use the Netvisi
You can grab scripts for either PPTP or L2TP from cables.netvision.net.il,
and modify them for use with Internet Zahav. That's what I did. BTW, I find
L2TP much more reliable.
On 21:38 Mon 23 Feb, Noam Meltzer wrote:
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>
> Hi,
> I have recently join
Hmm, interesting.
What do your routing table look like?
Do you see anything in the system logs?
Are you running stuff which manipulates them dynamically?
What's connecting your Linux to the modem? Ethernet?
--Amos
Amichai Rotman wrote:
Hi All,
My Cable Internet continues to disco
Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the
new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote
their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband internet
access, in a low price.
In order to make sure i could connect t
>
> Upgrading pptp is always a good idea.
> And now, how to use PPTP on Fedora:
>
[...snip...]
>
> 5. Run 'ifup netvision'
>
> That's it. You should be connected. Run '/sbin/ifconfig' to verify you
> have a ppp0 interface. Run 'ifdown netvision' to disconnect.
>
Hi Ilya,
I followed all the
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 08:56:13PM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
> route add default $GATEWAY >/dev/null 2>&1
Whoops, that should've been:
route add default gw $GATEWAY >/dev/null 2>&1
> 5. Run 'ifup netvision'
And that should've been #6 :)
===
On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 08:56:13PM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
[For the configrations: see redhat-config-network-cmd :
--import/--export . Can be handy for scripting changes]
> 5. Run 'ifup netvision'
>
How do you guarantee eth0 is up? Any easy way to guarantee this other
than hoping that i
> On Sat, Dec 13, 2003 at 08:56:13PM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
> > route add default $GATEWAY >/dev/null 2>&1
>
> Whoops, that should've been:
>
> route add default gw $GATEWAY >/dev/null 2>&1
>
That did the trick- thanks Ilya!
Offer Kaye
==
>
> My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of
> the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably
> disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short -
> because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i w
You could use pptp dialer. Should work.
You might consider checking http://www.iarc/org/~ezaton/cables and read a
lecture I wrote there.
The lecture (as well as the explenations) are relevant to Actcom, but you
could find that by changing only a little bit, you can connect to any other
ISP in Is
> I use bezeqint, cause they let me horat keva, everyone else seems to use
> credit cards only.
Something new... I've succeeded to continue using horaat keva for around 6.5
years, my ISP being Netvision.
> And it was a no brainer with linux, the price ain't so great though.
> And cable is quicker
Dan Fruehauf wrote:
Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the
new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote
their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband internet
access, in a low price.
In order to make s
On Tuesday 09 December 2003 23:07, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through
> the new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net.
> While writing this email, i didnt disconnect from 012, but i'm willing to,
> mainly because one of the comm
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
>
> move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short -
> because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add
> any $$).
>
I want to know if this is the case. I hope that I am not th
Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> My point is, that as members of this list, and linux users as well, beware of
> the evil 012, and the way they treat linux users. Tomorrow i'll probably
> disconnect from 012 and move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short -
> because they told me they can fix me a s
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Fruehauf
> Sent: Tue, December 09, 2003 11:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
> ...
> ... beware of the evil 012 ...
Michael Sternberg wrote:
> RE: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
> From: Michael Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Fru
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's
between it...":
> Lastly, reconsider whether you really want to use DHCP to connect. This
> means your username and password are not checked, and you are
> authenticated based on.
Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003, Shachar Shemesh wrote about "Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...":
Lastly, reconsider whether you really want to use DHCP to connect. This
means your username and password are not checked, and you are
authenticate
e with it ;)
Best Regards
Yehoram Ben-Yaacov
-Original Message-
From: Dan Fruehauf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue, December 09, 2003 23:08
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable conne
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the
> new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote
> their sales, but in short, you pay them, and they give you broadband inter
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:31:47AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
>
> >From some contact I had with the cable companies I know that:
> 1. All of them are in the progress of switching to some sort of dialup
> connection - Over cable it will be pptp or l2tp.
> 2. The dialup connection has not
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Best Regards
Yehoram Ben-Yaacov
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From: Tzafrir Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wed, December 10, 2003 13:20
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Subject: Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:31:47AM +020
Micha Feigin wrote:
Even one of their supervisors agreed that their customer support is
terrible.
They often don't have a choice. Every so often you hit someone who will
tell you so. Don't try to carry it further - the man may lose his job.
Anyway, if you can tell what modem it is, maybe it i
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:07:37 +0200, Dan Fruehauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection through the
> new (and pretty tempting) deal of AZTV and 012.net. i'm not going to promote
> their sales, b
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 01:38:39PM +0200, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Micha Feigin wrote:
>
> >Even one of their supervisors agreed that their customer support is
> >terrible.
> >
> >
> They often don't have a choice. Every so often you hit someone who will
> tell you so. Don't try to carry it furt
t: Re: Cable Internet, 012, and what's between it...
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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:07:37 +0200, Dan Fruehauf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Recently (actually today) i acquired a broadband cable connection
> through the new (and pretty t
h router. The stores are
full with Edimax routers that DO NOT WORK with cable Internet Israeli edition
for some very simple reason - their configuration possibilities are very
limited. They allow you to choose either DHCP or PPTP, but not BOTH and, of
course, not one above another.
Purchasing
the dialup & NAT
> > & FW work for you. This way the changes in your home network are minors.
>
> It may not work. Be very careful when you purchase such router. The stores are
> full with Edimax routers that DO NOT WORK with cable Internet Israeli edition
> for some very si
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 21:59, Ehud Karni wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:56:12 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It may not work. Be very careful when you purchase such router. The
> > stores are full with Edimax routers that DO NOT WORK with cable
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 00:33, Shaul Karl wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> >
> > move to another ISP, Netvision Probably. (in short -
> > because they told me they can fix me a static ip and i wouldnt have to add
> > any $$).
> >
>
>
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 08:27, Michael Sternberg wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dan Fruehauf
> > Sent: Tue, December 09, 2003 11:08 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Cable
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 10:00, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
[snip]
> >
> When you connect to the internet, you get an IP. The IP is marked, at
> the ISP's side, as belonging to you. If that IP address does something
> bad, it's your door the police are going to be knocking down on.
>
> Now, how possi
Guy Teverovsky wrote:
Hint: cable modem MAC address which can be easily tracked.
And forged, therefore proving nothing, as far as I can tell.
--Amos
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On Wednesday 10 December 2003 22:53, Ehud Karni wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:15:02 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to
> > use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either
> > this
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 22:53, Ehud Karni wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:15:02 +0200, Alex Chudnovsky
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to
> > use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either
> > this
On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 22:15, Alex Chudnovsky wrote:
[snip]
> >
> I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to use
> BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either this or
> that.
You can't.
What you can do is to call your Cable company and ask fo
On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support
> line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the
> authentication is done via DHCP, using the cable modem. forgetting to ask for
AFAIK
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 23:38, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> > In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support
> > line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the
> > authentication is
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 23:25, Guy Teverovsky wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 22:15, Alex Chudnovsky wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > I have a regular 6104. May you tell me how you configured your router to
> > use BOTH DHCP and PPTP? I've encountered only the option of using either
> > this or that.
>
>
On Wednesday 10 December 2003 23:38, Ilya Konstantinov wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 09, 2003 at 11:07:37PM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> > In order to make sure i could connect through linux, i called 012 support
> > line, and asked about their method of connection. I was told that the
> > authentication is
On Thursday 11 December 2003 00:08, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
> but what made me sign with netvision was the fact that they supported
> linux, and some people knew their linux, ofcourse they told me that
> slackware is not supported, yada yada yada. i took some 30 minutes for
> thinking, and asking some
On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:08:12AM +0200, Dan Fruehauf wrote:
>
> but what made me sign with netvision was the fact that they supported linux,
> and some people knew their linux, ofcourse they told me that slackware is not
> supported, yada yada yada.
>
According to my one or at most 2 short
On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:13:06PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Guy Teverovsky wrote:
> >Hint: cable modem MAC address which can be easily tracked.
>
> And forged, therefore proving nothing, as far as I can tell.
Constructing your own cable modem or burning a new ROM for an existing
cable mo
Well, we are getting close into hypothesis territory.
I suppose there is some truth in your assumptions, but I'm not
sure a proper court of law (rememeber where this discussion
startted) would take it at face-value that since a packet
appeared to arrive from a particular MAC address then it
proves
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