Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-13 Thread Schlomo Schapiro
Why ?? just use wvdialconf ... Anyway, I suggested it for newbees and not for people who know how to write their own pppd scripts. Schlomo On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Oded Arbel wrote: On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: How do customers get it? Schlomo Schapiro wrote: That's

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-12 Thread Gaal Yahas
On Fri, Nov 12, 1999 at 03:15:32PM +0200, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: How do customers get it? Login from their Windows systems, download it and mount vfat partitions? Or maybe we're should send them CDs? It's really becomes a problem when the only way to help is via phone, and on the other

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-12 Thread Oded Arbel
On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: How do customers get it? Schlomo Schapiro wrote: That's exactly why I suggested to know tools like wvdial. It doesn't depend on a distro and is really newbee-safe in it's usage (assuming newbee knows how to logon as root). I even use it

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-11 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
I'm pretty sure YAST comes with PPP setup tools, but having used SUSE for only a short time, I just don't remember how can I guide a user blindly (without knowing menus he sees). At the same time, I find it easy to guide RedHat users as they also have pppd by default and LinuxConf which has PPP

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-10 Thread Schlomo Schapiro
Hi, sorry for interfereing in this nice thread, but why make life difficult ? Simply tell people to use some simple shell-based dialer (like wvdial) that does ALL this stuff. wvdial has been developed exactly for this novice style of users and has a 'wizard' to help you set up your connection.

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suggestion for a project for a youngster who is looking for a niche which would give him satisfaction, fame and riches: How about developing PPP configuration scripts for the other distributions? Then the Technical Support would need only to tell the

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: kill `ps auxw | grep [p]ppd | awk '{print $2}'` just make it kill `ps auxw | awk '/[p]ppd/ {print $2}'` before someone else points it out ;-) -- Oleg Goldshmidt | BLOOMBERG L.P. (BFM) | [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A sense of the fundamental decencies is

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Nir Simionovich \(Rin Solo\)
Hi Omer, On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Omer Zak wrote: Given the realities of Customer Support as presented by Nir (isn't it wonderful to have access to someone who actually knows what is going on with customers? :-) ), I am amending my suggestion so that PPP configuration scripts (and other

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Omer Zak
On 8 Nov 1999, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Omer Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suggestion for a project for a youngster who is looking for a niche which would give him satisfaction, fame and riches: How about developing PPP configuration scripts for the other distributions? Then

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-08 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
You are all missing a point here. The user calls up when he has a Linux system already set up. With a clean Windows system, it's easy to guide the user through the installation procedure, which is always the same, but with Linux - should the tech support staff dictate the user their elite PPP

Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs

1999-11-07 Thread Nir Simionovich \(Rin Solo\)
Hi Dorit, On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, Dorit Ben-Shalom wrote: Again, what I am wondering about is what will happen to 'simple' linux calls. Well, I don't know what you consider simple, but I've known people to lose their heads about installation of sshd :-) In any case, I don't belive that they

Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs

1999-11-07 Thread Ilya Konstantinov
"Nir Simionovich (Rin Solo)" wrote: I know that I sound like I'm pro Netvision, but I'm really not. I'm very supportive to any firm who would offer Linux support. I admit that actcom were the first (I think), and amir is a good friend of mine (we've been working on Linux Installation

Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-07 Thread Omer Zak
Suggestion for a project for a youngster who is looking for a niche which would give him satisfaction, fame and riches: How about developing PPP configuration scripts for the other distributions? Then the Technical Support would need only to tell the newbie to download the script from their Web

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-07 Thread Nir Simionovich \(Rin Solo\)
Hi Omer, On Mon, 8 Nov 1999, Omer Zak wrote: Suggestion for a project for a youngster who is looking for a niche which would give him satisfaction, fame and riches: How about developing PPP configuration scripts for the other distributions? Then the Technical Support would need only to

Re: Project Proposal (was: Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs)

1999-11-07 Thread Omer Zak
Given the realities of Customer Support as presented by Nir (isn't it wonderful to have access to someone who actually knows what is going on with customers? :-) ), I am amending my suggestion so that PPP configuration scripts (and other technical support scripts) would have a version which

SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs

1999-01-04 Thread guy keren
if netvision is intending to stop supporting linux similar to supporting windows, you don't have to use their services. some other ISPs happily support linux users. note that i'm affiliated with one fo them, so i'm not objective.. guy "For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please

Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs

1999-01-04 Thread Nir Simionovich \(Rin Solo\)
Hi Guy, On Sat, 6 Nov 1999, guy keren wrote: if netvision is intending to stop supporting linux similar to supporting windows, you don't have to use their services. some other ISPs happily support linux users. That is funny, cause from a public announcement that Netvision gave. They are

Re: SOT: regarding linux-unfriendly ISPs

1999-01-04 Thread Dorit Ben-Shalom
they are about to start a Linux support center They have. 2 weeks ago. Free for another month, then "a lot of money". Again, what I am wondering about is what will happen to 'simple' linux calls. Dorit = To unsubscribe, send