Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-06 Thread Dan Shimshoni
Hello, First I would like to say big thanks to the following bloggers, who mentioned zvi dvir and his struggle; Shachar Shemesh, Oren Maurer, Ori Idan, Doron Ofek. You are great! (Did I miss anyone ? Sorry if I missed anyone, these is what I saw in: http://planet.linux.org.il/) Yet I think it

Interference with Markets (was: Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!)

2008-12-06 Thread Omer Zak
I would be very wary of any law, which interferes with operation of businesses. There can always be unforeseen consequences. One possible consequence comes to one's mind: Embedded system which is always sold with an operating system and applications which allow its safe operation. Then one has

Re: Interference with Markets (was: Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!)

2008-12-06 Thread sara fink
Encourage (by getting people to demand it) providers to sell PCs with Linux, in which a VM is installed and runs a MS-Windows XP image. VM anyone can install. Asking VM installed with windows xp image will open the door to charge extra charge for the image of XP. After all, if it's not

Re: Interference with Markets (was: Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!)

2008-12-06 Thread Omer Zak
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 14:31 +0200, sara fink wrote: Encourage (by getting people to demand it) providers to sell PCs with Linux, in which a VM is installed and runs a MS-Windows XP image. VM anyone can install. Asking VM installed

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-05 Thread Meir Kriheli
Amichai Rotman wrote: Zvi, I salute you for the effort you took for the grater good! Yashar Koach! As for Israeli shops selling Laptops with pre-installed Linux - I remember a guy at the last August Penguin (2008) selling said Laptops by the staircase. I can't remember the name but

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-05 Thread Dan Shimshoni
Zvi, - You are our Open Source hero of the week (or maybe of the year, or maybe decade!). Congratulations! I salute you! - I hereby call to anyone who bought a laptop without operating system on it or with only Linux on it to tell his/her story in this mailing list. I also call every one

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Dan Shimshoni wrote: Zvi, - You are our Open Source hero of the week (or maybe of the year, or maybe decade!). Personally, I think the importance of windows refund reach far beyond the scope of using Linux without paying the Microsoft tax. I wrote about it in my blog

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/4 Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Another question, does anyone have experience with ordering a laptop from a major manufacturer (Dell, Lenovo) over the Internet - from Ireland or any other place - without an OS? Is it easier than buying a laptop in Israel and going through a small

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Sorana Fraier
I am interested. On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Zvi Devir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All. Sorry for the previous bad HTML email... I wrote to tell that Slashdot [http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/12/03/1949230.shtml] also got the story, and placed a link to the Haifux website. I am

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Zvi Devir
I was just slashdotted! Zvi Devir wrote: News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Zvi Devir
Hi All. Sorry for the previous bad HTML email... I wrote to tell that Slashdot [http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/12/03/1949230.shtml] also got the story, and placed a link to the Haifux website. I am thinking of preparing a talk for Haifux about my fight sometime in the near future, if there is

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Eyal Rozenberg
Bravo Zvi! What was the reason not to go to court, though? I mean, I don't suppose you needed the 550 so badly... :-) Eyal = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g.,

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Adir Abraham
Congratulations. You rock :) On 12/3/08, Zvi Devir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html ___ Haifux mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Zohar Snir
בסגנון תגובות למהרשת: צבי, תעשה לי ילד ברצינות, כל הכבוד On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:00, Zvi Devir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Eyal Rozenberg wrote: Bravo Zvi! What was the reason not to go to court, though? I mean, I don't suppose you needed the 550 so badly... :-) What is the reason to go to court? They agreed to giving him everything he asked for, plus not require him to keep silent about it. It's not as if

Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Zvi Devir
News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Amos Shapira
2008/12/5 Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Compared to that, Zvi's experience looks a) painful, and b) not worthwhile except for the publicity and the precedent. I mean that the You are the second poster I read on this thread (haven't read it all) to talk about worthwhile and hassle. I have

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Micha Feigin
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:56:30 +0200 Oleg Goldshmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just in case you missed it, it is the lead item on The Register, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/04/dell_windows_eula_israel/ (shall we expect a slashdot item soon, too? :). It is a reasonably faithful

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread sara fink
Oh, well, Dell Israel are likely to say something like, Since you are not running Windows your warranty is void, and then one would have to go through a small claims court again, attaching the email exchange and the refund confirmation to the suit... I'd like to comment on this. I have a

Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread MMS
Less than a year ago we bought a Dell laptop to my daughter in Petach Tikva. We could buy it without any OS if we wanted to or with Vista/XPPro for an additional fee. Saba Moshe -- http://www.sh-dor.info = To unsubscribe, send

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-04 Thread Amichai Rotman
Zvi, I salute you for the effort you took for the grater good! Yashar Koach! As for Israeli shops selling Laptops with pre-installed Linux - I remember a guy at the last August Penguin (2008) selling said Laptops by the staircase. I can't remember the name but I know he has a web site... Can

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
That is not just a newsflash, that is a great achievement for you and for all of us! Well done! Orna. On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Zvi Devir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Rafi Gordon
Zvi, - First, congratulations for winning this important battle ! - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future. And indeed, after surfing many israeli websites, I found out that all of them come with windows. I don't intend to use windows on my laptop. So may I ask: How long

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Rafi Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zvi, - First, congratulations for winning this important battle ! - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future. And indeed, after surfing many israeli websites, I found out that all of them come with

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Rafi Gordon
Hello, I had encountered before Asus Eee Pc with linux on some israeli sites; this is indeed a mini laptop. Talking about laptops (not UMPCs and not mini laptops) - I did not encounter any stores in israel which sell a windows free laptops , meaning that you can purchase them without Windows.

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Rafi, On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 12:51:54PM +0200, Rafi Gordon wrote: I urge anyone that knows about such cases to inform us. I really doubt there is even one such store/vendor. Here is one from Ivory/MSI: http://ivory.co.il/product.asp?productid=2294CatCode=315 This page state that you can

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:12:19 +0200 Rafi Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zvi, - First, congratulations for winning this important battle ! - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future. And indeed, after surfing many israeli websites, I found out that all of them come

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 12:51:54 +0200 Rafi Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I had encountered before Asus Eee Pc with linux on some israeli sites; this is indeed a mini laptop. Talking about laptops (not UMPCs and not mini laptops) - I did not encounter any stores in israel which sell a

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 10:00:14AM +0200, Zvi Devir wrote: News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html Great news. Good to see that this is being made public. Dell (Israel?) does seem to have a policy to provide its

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Tal Abir
That is fantastic!!! Have you gave a notable statement yet? (one small step for man kinda statement...) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Zvi Devir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! Check it up: http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3632367,00.html

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Sorana Fraier
Well done. Congratulations. Thanks for insisting for publicity as well. Now it's time for party. ;-) On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Adir Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Congratulations. You rock :) On 12/3/08, Zvi Devir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: News Flash: The first Windows refund in

Re: Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Oron Peled
On Wednesday, 3 בDecember 2008, Zvi Devir wrote: News Flash: The first Windows refund in Israel! Just read the news. This is a very big WOW and the PR was also very good. Thanks for your time and effort. -- Oron Peled Voice/Fax: +972-4-8228492 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Haifux] Successful Windows Vista refund!!

2008-12-03 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/12/3 Rafi Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Zvi, - First, congratulations for winning this important battle ! - Second, I myself intend to buy a laptop in the near future. And indeed, after surfing many israeli websites, I found out that all of them come with windows. I don't intend to use