On Mon, Aug 07, 2000 at 08:47:47AM -0700, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Manning [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 6:08 AM
> > To: Linux Raid list (E-mail)
> > Subject: Re: FAQ update
> >
>
ches/. Use the right patch for
>your kernel, these patches haven't worked on other kernel revisions
>yet.
i'd add: dont use netscape to fetch patches from mingo's site, it hurts
use lynx/wget/curl/lftp
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You can find the separate patches that compose that
> kernel in the ftp site as well.
strange i was never able to run lvm on top ov raid with 2.4
the lvm tools just don't guess what an md device is :(
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`-I'
This option tells `tar' to read or write archives through `bzip2'.
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On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 11:17:18AM +0200, Martin Bene wrote:
> "dangerous" tools. Bzw, has anyone checked what's different in this tools
> package in comparison to the 19990824 release?
yes it raises the max number of devices per superblock!!!
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> Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
this is the other two in raid1 (/dev/sdb)
please, stick to the redhat kernel (uhm get a newer one from updates.redhat.com)
stick to hardware raid since you have itavailable and let software raid alone
regards
On Fri, Jul 07, 2000 at 05:07:05PM -0500, Craig Servin wrote:
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> Do either ext3 or Reiserfs work with a Raid1?
not on 2.2
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at supplied lilo is 80 characters, but this is a bug, patch boot.S
or use lilo-21.4.3.
regards,
Luca
P.S. this has nothing to do with the md_boot argument
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VLOCK();
215 CHECK_SHLOCK(sh);
216 clear_bit(STRIPE_LOCKED, &sh->state);
217 sh->free_next = conf->free_sh_list;
218 conf->free_sh_list = sh;
219 atomic_inc(&conf->nr_free_sh);
220 }
attached are ksymoops and .confi
2.3, the buffer cache is largely sidelined in favour of the page
> cache, and this is, in part, why the rebuild code is totally
> different in 2.3.99pre8+
>
now does anyone who looked at the 2.3/2.4 code know what exactly is the status
for the latest kernels??
Regards
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oes this mean that swap would not only fail during reconstruction, but
> also under degraded mode?
again no
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wap works
> slightly differently on a file rather than on a device. There is a small
> speed penalty, but much better resiliancy.
NO, it does not, the problem is still there whether you swap on file or on
partition, sorry
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get the latest lilo from metalab, it understands raid
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On Tue, May 30, 2000 at 03:22:29AM -0700, Gavin Clark wrote:
> Hi, I have a raid level 1 on 2 scsi drives and an IDE drive.
> I'm trying to set MBR on all my drives so if the first one goes down the
> system will still b
On Sat, May 06, 2000 at 03:19:49PM -0400, Edward Schernau wrote:
> The RAID patches will NOT patch cleanly (nor will much else)
> on a Redhat-supplied kernel. Make sure you start with a
that maybe is beacuse the raid patch are already applied
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ical disk(s)
so it will resync them one at a time for performance reasons.
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P.S. how about changing the message, this is starting to sound much
as the 'lp on fire' issue :)
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current_minor++;
> }
> printk("\n");
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On Mon, Apr 03, 2000 at 07:34:32AM +0200, Jakob Østergaard wrote:
> AFAIK there's no tool that can read one partition table and then
> re-create it on another device in a clever way. You're right that
sfdisk (it is part of util-linux)
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pardon me?
On Sun, Apr 02, 2000 at 02:03:36AM +0200, Thomas Rottler wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have an autodetecting RAID1 swap set. The kernel does so all the work for
> me...
>
> Thomas
>
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aw,
> even i got a backup copy of disk with dd. Before i go bloody, do you have
> any advice to me or any experience to share with me ?
> thanx in advance,
try with something like fixdisktable by Gordon Chaffee, it should restore your
partition,
Regards,
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is a nice feature, you create a snapshot at one point in time
then lvm will only write changes to the snapshot device, this enables you
to make consistent backups.
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/sec, offset 31.
> (scsi0:0:14:0) Synchronous at 80.0 Mbyte/sec, offset 31.
argh,
put tape and cdrom on a different scsi bus
besides that disks should be higer priority devices than othrt stuff
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On Sat, Mar 25, 2000 at 11:31:12AM +0100, Martin Bene wrote:
> At 09:52 25.03.00, Mike Bilow wrote:
>
> >3. Create a swap file on /dev/md0 (which has been combined from /dev/hda1
> >and /dev/hdc1).
>
> Never tried this, sorry.
>
has the same problem as swapping
e modules
you need to build an initrd. also check the partition type.
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On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 02:46:36PM -, Matthew Clark wrote:
> Is swapping on Hardware RAID safer than software RAID?
>
> Matthew Clark.
yes, hardware raid should appear as a normal disk to linux
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lume manager) over an md device
Regards,
Luca
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hysical
> memory is exhausted (I've never tried it, or found myself in the
> position, or tried setting up a test bed to provoke such a situation)
process will get killed randomly
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ing ro failed-disk
one of hdg1 or hdh1 (hdg1 seems to be the most out-of date, so i'd
chose that one).
then mkraid
(pray, cross fingers, whatever)
undo modification of raidtab
raidhotadd the disk you marked as failed
if this does not work you may need to restore from tape.
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On Mon, Feb 07, 2000 at 03:13:32PM +, Carl L. Roy wrote:
> I have just installed Mandrake 6.1 with mkraid version 0.90.0. The
> Linux kernel that I am running is version 2.2.13-7mdk. When I attempt
download the kernel update from the mandrake ftp site
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s getting this
error from my dds changer and it was filling
my logs during nightly backups.
i did not notice any ill effect for this.
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2000 at 12:54:36AM +0100, Email wrote:
> hi
> im running 2.2.14 with raidpatch raid0145-1999-0824-2.2.11 and raidtools
> 0.90
> it works fine for me
this is quite interesting, since it shouldn't work :))))
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finished resync.
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t use reiserfs for /
2) use an initrd that wait for resync to be complete (slowww)
3) i believe that resync may be safe if the fs is mounted
readonly. but i wouldn't swear on it.
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ngo/raid-2.2.14-B1
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} .* resync=" /proc/mdstat;do sleep 1;done && swapon $1
(needs to be smarter than that, to support swapon -a and swap on file)
regards,
Luca
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o software raid for a serious setup.
ok, your only chance is to recreate the disk array.
make a conf file specifying as failed-disk the drive
you cut the power to, then mkraid, data should be there.
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why the !"£$ every time someone mentions mirrored swap on linux, there
has to be a =)(/& that mentions that linux stripes swap on multiple
partitions?
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jects/sgilinux11/
Luca.
P.S.
if you think about answering that they only support kernel 2.2.10
look harder :)))
P.P.S. DON'T use devfsd with those patches
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a distribution and don't look at the updates you deserve what
you get
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On Sun, Dec 26, 1999 at 08:32:13PM +0100, Johan Ekenberg wrote:
> According to Mr. Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED], swapping on RAID is not
it is not just according to me, it is Stephen Tweedie ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
who spotted the bug. search the recent list archives for the previous
discuss
orruppted.
>
> Is this a fact even when using a swapfile? That's what I do. No swap
yes, sorry.
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or
unclean shutdown swap gets corruppted.
enjoy
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On Wed, Dec 22, 1999 at 12:11:30AM -0500, Wilson G. Hein wrote:
> Do I need to apply the patch to the rpm'd RH source kernel 2.2.12-20? How
NO
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On Tue, Dec 21, 1999 at 08:12:25PM +0100, charly wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I am using Redhat 6.1 with Kernel 2.2.13.
either use the kernel provided with redhat or fetch
the last patches from a kernel.org mirror
they are for 2.2.11 but apply almost cleanly.
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labels are at the beginning of the disk
ext2fs knows about that and won't screw yer disklabel, that is
why you won't notice the problem with non-raid setup.
raid does'nt and will happyly screw it.
(* yes, i believe this is a raid bug *)
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installed with an initrd
try disabling that option and create an initrd
should work.
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zeroing the partition table and rebooting
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d -print0 |cpio -p0duma
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P.S. don't swap on raid for now
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g swapping
on a partition we are rebuilding. (ie swapoff;raidhotadd;swapon)
this seems better to me that not swapping on raid.
how about a flag (do_not_autorebuild) in the raid SB???
(ok, ok i know this has a lot of drawbacks, so please don't insult me)
Regards,
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> (2.0.x kernel) Linux systems are using autofs to mount it.
you should probably check hjlu's nfs patches to make it work
also there are som patches that support NFSv3 that is a great
boon.
stable, nfs ?!? arghhhh
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ad
balancing.
btw, i doubt any of these card will work with linux :(
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sucker?
>
try raidhotremove /dev/mdx /dev/sdy
raidhotadd /dev/mdx /dev/sdy
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On Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 03:14:42PM -0500, Michel Pelletier wrote:
> It looks to me like the [2/1] means only one of my two 'low level'
> partitions below /dev/md2 is working. I don't know what the [U_] means,
it means the second partiotion is gone
U=ok
_=fubar
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ing all active raid devices
in the shutdown/reboot/poweroff syscalls.
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-2.2.13-22mdk.i586.rpm
2a2f3001e798473f10537033b4ea2bb4 kernel-pcmcia-cs-2.2.13-22mdk.i586.rpm
35b0450d35d42ba77b5066f1d90f9825 kernel-smp-2.2.13-22mdk.i586.rpm
ecdc2001887bccb5ba1543f9f4f41bad kernel-source-2.2.13-22mdk.i586.rpm
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On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 02:54:05PM -0500, Paramasivam Kartik wrote:
> Do we need to patch Linux 2.2.9
> before we can use the raidtools (like mkraid)
> to install raid.
yes
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On Wed, Nov 03, 1999 at 04:58:34PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Does anyone know when the raid 0.90 patch for kernel 2.2.13 should be
> released?
> I've looked at kernel.org but latest there is 2.2.11.
>
look in /pub/linux/kernel/alan/2.2.13ac
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if you have the raid1 code compiled as a module
(eg. redhat default kernel) do
mkinitrd --with raid1 /boot/initrd-2.2.5-15.img 2.2.5-15
and add the line initrd=/boot/initrd-2.2.5-15.img
to your lilo.conf
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safe to kill these?
>
> Better add
>
> cd /
>
bah, klogd locks /boot because it has an open file there
not due to its cwd.
anyway there is no need to umount /boot
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7;s what I do.
well, my job deals with that 0.01-% :))))
Regards,
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help me ?
no, unless you post the content of your raidtab and any
eventual messages in your syslog.
L.
P.S. the first that suggests that he patches his kernel
will win a "mongolino d'oro" (which is a special italian prize
for very smart people)
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On Fri, Oct 29, 1999 at 03:45:06PM +0200, michel wrote:
>My version of linux is : Linux Version 2.2.9-27mdk
>
>My version of mkraid is mkraid version 0.90.0
this is becoming a FAQ
see my answer to a previous poster
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at all.
I know of one case where it is possible to bypass the megaraid
for at lease one channel, it is the embedded netraid(remarketed megaraid)
on hp netservers LH3, you have to change a setting in the bios.
All other cards i tested (netraid 1, netraid3, netraid3si)
don't allow this option.
Re
0145-19990824-2.2.11.gz
and fix the rejects by hand
regards,
Luca
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get either a redhat kernel or a linux-2.2.13ac1
mandrake was unfortunate in that they included the raidtools package
but did not patch the kernel to support raid.
{to see if you have a patched kernel look for the "autodetecting raid"
message during bootup}
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an use the symbios instead of
2nd megaraid channel, but you will loose hw raid.
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you using?? Have you patched it with the latest
> RAID patches?
>
> I'm running a stock rh 6.0 install. Where can i look to autodetect
> and
> start my
> raid arrays?
>
>
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oesn't check the return code of
Was it rewitten recently? last time i checked it had mor buffer
overruns tahn lines of code :(((
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On Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 11:12:08AM -0500, Stephen Waters wrote:
> thanks... i had it set up to work on sender and subject when it should
> have been to or cc and subject...
bad idea :)))
from my .procmailrc:
:0 w:
* ^Sender:.*owner-linux-raid
linux/raid
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t; Could the list maintainer give an oppinion on this ?
i asked dor the same thing some months ago:
!answer
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] I hate it when I make a simple problem
>complicated!
really? :)
please use the sender header to sort majordomo mailing lists
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hes from a kernel.org mirror
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On Fri, Oct 15, 1999 at 10:33:58AM +0200, Mathieu Arnold wrote:
>
> where can i find the latest patchs ?
you cannot. this is the problem
raid has not been ported to 2.3 kernels,
sorry
Luca
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nd of messages) that not having
the latest raid patches in th 2.3 kernel, is causing more
problems that having these, could this be a suggestion to
Linus
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e if you want
> to do root raid...
no you don't just create an initrd with mkinitrd --with raid1 (or whatever)
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tall_dev from
the raidtools source directory\n");
} else {
puts("RAID was not compiled into the kernel\n");
}
}
to the /dev/md0 checks
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od messages in there, especially if luser's
running redhat)
I woke in a bad mood today,
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On Mon, Sep 27, 1999 at 02:13:18PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Will the Adaptec Raidport 3 ARO-11030U2 work with Linux?
>
NO
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tsuck for mail is bad enough, just don't send 'em as HTML
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initrd you should use either the first
solution or add --with raid1 to mkinitrd
Ciao
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e IBM ServeRAID controller */
/* */
/* Written By: Keith Mitchell, IBM Corporation */
/* */
/* Copyright (C) 1999 IBM Corporation
; check the block major and just "trusting" or are there reasons this
> would be non-trivial?
cause lilo calls getgeometry() (or whatever is that called, i dun have sources at hand)
on the device and the md driver does not have getgeometry()
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know what it should look like.
>
try `grep autorun_array /boot/System.map'
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at are not in
the stock kernel
get the patches from ftp.xx.kernel.org
and rebuild.
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i spent a lot of time trying to patch lilo to do this very thing
and i was stranded since md does not suppoort getgeometry(),
i never tought of specifying geometry in the lilo.conf
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yes, you are in danger, i suggest you shrink your filesystem.
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hello,
what about adding the line
http://ostenfeld.dk/~jakob/Software-RAID.HOWTO/
at the end of every mail that comes from the list?
Regards,
Luca
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md0 b 9 0
mknod /dev/md1 b 9 1
.
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On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 03:58:46PM +0200, Andreas Gietl wrote:
> Has anyone got an idea how to combine the 2.2.10-ac9 patch and the
> raid0145-19990724-2.2.10 patch?
try 2.2.10-ac12, if you don't worry about ISDN :(
this already contains raid support
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s.
i dont believe the new raid code works with old raidtools
do you see anything in syslog?
what about using strace mdadd ... if syslog does not work
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esystems.
you could try splitting the mirror,
ie raidhotremove all mirror copies
than you can install on the /dev/sdx or hdx partition
(whithout letting it do any mkfs)
after thet go and resync your mirror :
Regards,
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emember, the fact that patch does not produce rejects, does
not mean thet the resulting code is correct)
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e a superblock, changing this
would require destroying the array
spare disk are not an option for linear and raid0
chunk size also does not apply to linear.
Regards,
Luca
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) and use the raidxxx commands.
Regards,
Luca
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es???). Thank you.
I do not use raid 0, i consider it suicidal/i have no use for it
except as in part of raid0+1 (don't flame me, i won'tchange
idea)
but if i were in you i'd take a look at the raid0run tool
from the last raidtool-0.90
regards,
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On Mon, Jul 26, 1999 at 07:54:49PM +0200, Thomas Willert wrote:
> /usr/include/linux/errno.h:4: asm/errno.h: No such file or directory
# cd /usr/src/linux
# make symlinks
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2.x, x>6 problems have been
> resolved.
>
> --
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gest downgrading to the last 'stable' redhat kernel.
Luca
P.S. (for Felix) you can build an N-way mirror (n>2) for
added redundancy, also please quote only relevant parts
of a message when replying.
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Communications Media & Services S.r.l.
it does not happen in every case so this has been very hard to trace.
but the problem exists and has been reported by different people
in different conditions.
L.
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Luca Berra -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Communications Media & Services S.r.l.
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