Don Gould wrote:
Hu.
Nick you just have to keep reminding me you're a lawyer don't you :p :)
I agree.
I also have to confess that I produced a big web site once a got blasted by
many in the community for not making it w3 compliant. When I looked into it
I realised that there was so much re
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 17:04, Don Gould wrote:
> talking of virus with Nick before reminded me that I wanted to ask about AV
> for linux box mail servers.
>
> What do people recommend?
I've used F-PROT since DOS days. Damn fine work from Frisk.
Vik :v)
--
This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 16:57, Don Gould wrote:
> I've also learnt about these things... it's best to just sit on an idea for
> a day and see what people think and have to say.
Fair enough. I'll lurk and see what develops.
Vik :v)
--
This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, it
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:54, Don Gould wrote:
> We want machines to keep flowing out of retailers like the warehouse with
> MS products all over them and nothing but.
With these headers
X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.291
> Anyway who
> says linux is not vulnerable to viruses? Thats a myth.
Maybe, but keep the scale in mind. Every few months the news goes "
billions of damage caused by the latest Microsoft virus". I have yet to
hear of a Linux virus having caused any damage. Until then, it is a
very good Linux mark
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 17:02, Don Gould wrote:
> Why doesn't FP and other dev tools have compliance checking built in that's
> easy to use? (MS I know you listen... go make it a new feature in the next
> edition of FP and I might think about using FP again. :)
:-) Because the last thing that MS w
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 17:04, Don Gould wrote:
> talking of virus with Nick before reminded me that I wanted to ask about AV
> for linux box mail servers.
clamav
Running clamav-daemon if possible, although that's not encouraged for
direct mail filtering because of potential overflows.
However I h
Hi there,
Nick Rout wrote:
dev: we tend to develop for internet explorer because its easier for us
that way, we have the tools for it, the majority of customers use it,
and that makes it cheaper all round for you because we understand it and
do it all the time.
cust: sounds good to me, now will it
talking of virus with Nick before reminded me that I wanted to ask about AV
for linux box mail servers.
What do people recommend?
Cheers Don
Hu.
Nick you just have to keep reminding me you're a lawyer don't you :p :)
I agree.
I also have to confess that I produced a big web site once a got blasted by
many in the community for not making it w3 compliant. When I looked into it
I realised that there was so much rework involved
> -Original Message-
> From: Vik Olliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Did you fire that to the NZOSS list too? He's [Chris Day] often plugged in
to that
> during the daytime.
No, the discussion was here on CLUG. Important things always seem to find
CD (perhaps it's just you guys cc'ing
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 3:17 PM
> To: CLUG
> Subject: Re: Will my pc shut down? BTW what is 'linux'?
[..]
> All of which is quite true, but I'd seriously suggest not
> taking that line of
> attack.
I agree.
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I mean it could be better too, it could always be better. Full
> preinstalled distros as an option on every box, Stock only
> hardware that
> supports OS and supplies specifications etc etc.
Think 'marketing' Nick. :)
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:12:44 +1200
Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Mine is going very slowly. My AV thingy is updating from
> > germany at 6300
> > > bytes/s on full speed jetstream.
>
>
> Thought you used Linux Nick? Why would you need AV?
>
> Cheers Don
I use windows on the desk
If I was him I'd be asking the developers to do it for free, they
produced the faulty code!
However it is probably a case of getting what you asked for in the forst
place.
imaginary scenario:
developer; what platforms do you want us to develop for?
clueless customer who has no idea what the iss
> -Original Message-
> From: Vik Olliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > What would they like in the way of staff training?
>
> That's basically one of the things they need to know. Do you want to
> discuss this with him in an open list, or shall I put you in contact?
I vote for thrashing
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 16:32, Don Gould wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Vik Olliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> > I have in Auckland and Matamata. I've also walked into a lot
> > of them not
> > doing it. But - and this illustrates my earlier post quite nicely -
> > Chris Day was
Below you'll find the latest response from the warehouse on the issue of
their menus.
Anyone in Auckland should perhaps give Simon a call and make sure he's
getting some good local advice!
Cheers Don
Hi Don
I have been speaking with the developers about this issue.
They have not given me a figu
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:12, Don Gould wrote:
> Thought you used Linux Nick? Why would you need AV?
He does at home, but he is condemned to needing AV at the office because the
professional community of which he is part have been hooked by that viral
marketing strategy which is so horrendously eff
> -Original Message-
> From: Vik Olliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I have in Auckland and Matamata. I've also walked into a lot
> of them not
> doing it. But - and this illustrates my earlier post quite nicely -
> Chris Day was only asking last week how he might be able to
> increase t
On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:06:51 +1200
Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok, first up I think the Warehouse and WS are two different companies aren't
> they?
They may legally be separate companies, but its all part of the same
group. could even be the same company, although big corporate groups
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > In that sense installing
> > linux is a cost to them in terms of labour, training, support etc.
> Indeed, but remember that that cost is one which stays in NZ,
> whereas the MS
> cost goes off the Redmond
Now
> -Original Message-
> From: Christopher Sawtell
> Don: How about the notion of getting the management of
> Warehouse Stationery to
> at least know that Linux exists? What would be involved in
> getting that far?
Ok, first up I think the Warehouse and WS are two different companies aren
> From: Vik Olliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I think Dick Smith are doing very well. To be honest, I think the
> community is not supporting them enough.
Agreed. I've made this point a number of times already.
> I have an excellent working
> relationship with Chris Day, and I know he'll ben
hmm except if we need to get on the net for trouble shooting i guess.
Well, when I can get around 30Mb a minute it may not be too much of an
inconvenience.
Rob
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:25, Vik Olliver wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:17, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> > Don: How about the notion of getting the management of Warehouse
> > Stationery to at least know that Linux exists? What would be involved in
> > getting that far? It would / could well be a
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:34:52 +1200
"Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have "upgraded" to Telecom's flate rate plan (256kbs) so I normally get up
> to about 36kB/sec download speed but with jetstreamgames I have always had
> speeds sometimes over 500kB/sec.
according to my
On Mon, 03 May 2004 14:24:37 +1200
Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thank you for putting me straight.
I mean it could be better too, it could always be better. Full
preinstalled distros as an option on every box, Stock only hardware that
supports OS and supplies specificatio
On Mon, 03 May 2004 14:19, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:42:33 +1200
>
> Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Perhaps I have a different idea as to the meaning of 'half-hearted' from
> > the rest of you, because I recon that shoving a Knoppix CD in a little
> > portable ma
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:42:33 +1200
Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Perhaps I have a different idea as to the meaning of 'half-hearted' from the
> rest of you, because I recon that shoving a Knoppix CD in a little portable
> machine and then asserting you support Linux is indeed
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:52:17 +1200
Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:34, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
> > > good for gentoo too, but how do you cope without browsing and emailing
> > > in the meantime?
> For gentoo see /etc/make.conf
>
> # Using wget, ra
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 13:42, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> That said, and reading Vik's post, it looks as if there is an opening here.
> As a start, would DSE like to have one of the portables set up so that it runs
> an installed Linux properly? I'm sure I / we could arrange that, and it would
>
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:34, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
> > good for gentoo too, but how do you cope without browsing and emailing
> > in the meantime?
For gentoo see /etc/make.conf
# Using wget, ratelimiting downloads
#FETCHCOMMAND="/usr/bin/wget -t 5 --passive-ftp --limit-rate=15k \${URI} -P
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:09, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:59:11 +1200
>
> Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have yet to wander into a DSE shop to be confronted by KDE / Gnome
> > running on one of the demo machines. Once I can do that I'll be very
> > happy doing s/rat
I have "upgraded" to Telecom's flate rate plan (256kbs) so I normally get up
to about 36kB/sec download speed but with jetstreamgames I have always had
speeds sometimes over 500kB/sec.
Regards, Robert
Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.
-Original Message-
From:
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:59, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> I have yet to wander into a DSE shop to be confronted by KDE / Gnome running
> on one of the demo machines. Once I can do that I'll be very happy doing
> s/rather half-hearted/wonderfully enthusiastic/ . Unfortunately not until.
I have in
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 20:37, Zane Gilmore wrote:
I have just installed Mandrake 10 on a brand spanking
P4 2.8GHz with 1GB RAM GeForce NVidia machine
It runs like a cut cat with the 2.6 kernel.
When you fire up Konqueror it happens sub-2second.(not quite sub-second)
Under
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:17, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> Don: How about the notion of getting the management of Warehouse Stationery to
> at least know that Linux exists? What would be involved in getting that far?
> It would / could well be a good sell for them, as the cost of Linux is $0.00
>
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:17:09 +1200
Hamish McBrearty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >The OS free laptop I saw in The Palms branch of DSE was running knoppix.
> >Looked good too. Gave me quite a surprise as i was wandering around the
> >store typing "deltree c:/" into the winboxes, ooops i mean admir
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:17, you wrote:
> >The OS free laptop I saw in The Palms branch of DSE was running knoppix.
Same in the Colombo St. branch a few weeks ago. Knoppix was going, and
sound worked too.
Andy
>The OS free laptop I saw in The Palms branch of DSE was running knoppix.
>Looked good too. Gave me quite a surprise as i was wandering around the
>store typing "deltree c:/" into the winboxes, ooops i mean admiring the
>hardware :-)
>
You beat me to it. I spotted one of those in the Papanui branch
I think i must be a long way from the exchange in lyttelton, and don't
get brilliant speed. It does 128 fine, but unthrottled is not majorly
fast, about 3-4 times the 128 speed.
On Mon, 03 May 2004 13:05:11 +1200
"Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I find that when I change m
On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:59:11 +1200
Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have yet to wander into a DSE shop to be confronted by KDE / Gnome running
> on one of the demo machines. Once I can do that I'll be very happy doing
> s/rather half-hearted/wonderfully enthusiastic/ . Unfortu
I find that when I change my router to point to jetstreamgames my downloads
are done in just a few minutes and then I switch the router back to normal
so there is no major disruption.
Regards, Robert
Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.
-Original Message-
From: N
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
>On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:26, Nick Rout wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:17:39 +1200
>>
>>Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dick Smith Electronics are trying to in a rather half-hearted way.
>>>
>>>
>>damned by faint praise ;-). I would
On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:26, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:17:39 +1200
>
> Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dick Smith Electronics are trying to in a rather half-hearted way.
>
> damned by faint praise ;-). I would rate them higher than that.
I have yet to wander into a
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:17, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 2004 09:36, Don Gould wrote:
> > Are there any marketing efforts in NZ to push Linux in any sort of way?
> Dick Smith Electronics are trying to in a rather half-hearted way.
I think Dick Smith are doing very well. To be hones
On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:48:43 +1200
Sascha Beaumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For what its worth, whenever I want to download something big, now (like
> upgrading to experimental gnome last week) I jump onto jetstreamgames
> and download the packages from the ftp2.jetstreamgames.co.nz mirror
>
Or if you're even lazier, like me, just drop an executable script
into /etc/cron.daily/
$ cat /etc/cron.daily/apt
#!/bin/bash
apt-get update -qq
apt-get dist-upgrade -qqd
apt-get dist-upgrade -qqdt experimental
For what its worth, whenever I want to download something big, now (like
upgrading to
On Mon, 03 May 2004 12:17:39 +1200
Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dick Smith Electronics are trying to in a rather half-hearted way.
damned by faint praise ;-). I would rate them higher than that.
>
> Don: How about the notion of getting the management of Warehouse Stationery
On Mon, 03 May 2004 09:36, Don Gould wrote:
> Are there any marketing efforts in NZ to push Linux in any sort of way?
Dick Smith Electronics are trying to in a rather half-hearted way.
Don: How about the notion of getting the management of Warehouse Stationery to
at least know that Linux exists?
Ack!
Dammit I can't submit feedback under Epiphany (linux) or Firefox
(windows). Loaded up Internet Explorer to send something in, just after
I selected "The Warehouse New Zealand" the browser crashed!
Even though I've used the site a number of times in the past, I've never
picked up on this litt
Nick wrote...
> If everyone on the list did the same the guy might get the message.
Yes I 100% agree. Infact we should spread the word.
I don't think the guy has a problem with the message.
I think he has problems getting funding signed off internally to get the job
done properly.
The best way
I doubt it. I emailed www.mem.ac.nz (Engineering Management Programme at
the University of Canterbury) to ask I could not even view their site
without Internet Explorer, and had no response. That one is a worry. They
could be our bosses in a year or two.
I also emailed Resene to tell them I co
Well like Don I decided to email them (from the "contact us" link at the bottom)
and got much the same response, devloped for the majority. have asked
why they can't develop standards compliant code for all
users. no reply yet.
If everyone on the list did the same the guy might get the message.
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 10:08, Dale Anderson wrote:
> Yes there is the Foundation for the Blind
Anyone on talking terms?
Vik :v)
--
This PC runs Linux. If you find a virus apparently from me, it has
forged the e-mail headers on someone else's machine. Please do not
notify me when this occurs. Than
On Mon, 03 May 2004 09:57, Vik Olliver wrote:
> All they'd need to do is put the links in small type at the bottom.
The "Site Map" link in a very light grey at the bottom of the page gives a way
into the system for Mozilla / Firefox.
--
Sincerely etc.
Christopher Sawtell
NB. This PC runs Linux
Yes there is the Foundation for the Blind
Cheers
Dale.
On 2004-05-03 09:57:32 +1200 Vik Olliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 09:41, Nick Rout wrote:
yeah its always been like that. useless sods.
Is there some national society for the blind that can give them a wee
nudge in the
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 09:41, Nick Rout wrote:
> yeah its always been like that. useless sods.
Is there some national society for the blind that can give them a wee
nudge in the right direction? All they'd need to do is put the links in
small type at the bottom.
Vik :v)
--
This PC runs Linux. If
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 09:36, Don Gould wrote:
> Are there any marketing efforts in NZ to push Linux in any sort of way?
> (Please note, key word was 'marketing')
Yup. Dick Smith are pressing and selling Linux CDs nationwide. They're
looking to expand the concept. Much of the discussion is on the N
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 08:40, Don Gould wrote:
> How much work do you guys think it would take to correct this problem for
> them?...
Just to redo that top red menu as graphical buttons (with text for blind
users) ?
About an hour. But then there's integrating it with the rest of their
system.
Vik
yeah its always been like that. useless sods.
it doesn't even get past base 1 at the w3c vaidation service as it
doesn't specify an encoding or a doctype.
they speak about having a budget, sheesh, you think they'd want to get
value for money. who would pay for that crapola.
On Mon, 03 May 2004
While I don't support crackers and their efforts to rid the world of MS
products by making MS product to much of a business risk to use I do enjoy
their sense of humour.
I've been watching the news on Prime this morning and there was a bit of
banter about the latest worm that just causes W2k and X
On Mon, 03 May 2004 08:45:39 +1200
"C. Falconer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So bunzip2 it on your other machine and send the uncompressed tar file...
> It'll take longer, thats all.
I did :-)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, 2 May 20
On Mon, 03 May 2004 08:27:55 +1200
"Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nick wrote:
>
> emerge -g kde
>
> I am not at my Gentoo box so I cannot type emerge -help
>
> What is the -g flag for Nick?
-g downloads a binary package from a server and installs it, if it can,
if n
How much work do you guys think it would take to correct this problem for
them?...
(See their menus).
Below is the response I got from them on the issue and my response back...
Hello Simon,
Thank you for your prompt response.
Please advise what your developers are telling you this problem will
Do you leave your box on at night time?
In my /etc/crontab file I have these lines
0 1* * * root/usr/bin/dpkg --get-selections >
/etc/PACKAGELIST
Generates a text file that shows all installed packages - good to back up
for restoring machine
20 1* * * root/us
So bunzip2 it on your other machine and send the uncompressed tar file...
It'll take longer, thats all.
-Original Message-
From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 2 May 2004 1:39 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Gentoo installfest some 2004.1 experience & stats FYI
...
IMHO - after last year's Gentoo mini Installfest we learnt:-
Punters need to know what they are in for
Punters need decent hardware (Gentoo takes a while to install on lower spec
machines.)
Rob
-Original Message-
From: Zane Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 2 May 2004 10:58
Nick wrote:
emerge -g kde
I am not at my Gentoo box so I cannot type emerge -help
What is the -g flag for Nick?
Rob
On Sun, 02 May 2004 22:58, Zane Gilmore wrote:
> On Sat, 01 May 2004 15:10, you wrote:
> > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:02, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> > > Are you going to be doing a special bootable CD for the machines in the
> > > distcc farm? Or is it sufficient for the farmers merely to have distcc
On Sat, 01 May 2004 15:10, you wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:02, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
> > Are you going to be doing a special bootable CD for the machines in the
> > distcc farm? Or is it sufficient for the farmers merely to have distcc
> > installed?
>
> Do we need to have a distcc farm?
>
Mozilla appears to pick up the mail client selected in gnome's
"preferred applications".
Debian sid/experimental packages: Gnome 2.6, Evolution 1.5, Mozilla 1.5
Usually I use the epiphany browser, and previously
gnome/epiphany/mozilla didn't seem to recognise what I selected. Working
without any
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