Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-23 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 10:46:04 -0700 Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 10:44 am,Pam R wrote: snip Palladium is an opt-in system. Palladium is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will ship with the Palladium hardware and software features turned off.

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-23 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
I would like to know who is going to run the certification program. All these trusted apps will have to get certs. When every program needs one it it is going to interact on a network, the whole cert thing must surely be fully layed out. On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 15:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Net Llama! [EMAIL

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-23 Thread mpdickens
Palladium is an opt-in system. Yeah And Bill Gates swore to Congress he *never* violated any antitrust acts or competed unfairly in shape or form PGP Never had a back door.. V-chip security codes escrowed by the FBI would only be used by the FBI upon procurement of a valid a

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-23 Thread Ted Ozolins
On Sunday 22 September 2002 13:53, Zoki wrote: *** Except this time it is not Intel's idea only, Microsoft is in the game too. Zoran. What do you mean this time? M$ has always been in there. Only this time its more obvious. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C.

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-22 Thread Pam R
On Sunday 22 September 2002 8:01 pm, Zoki wrote: [snip] Pam, how much more do you need to understand Microsoft is acting like a drug dealer; Give people small amounts of your shit and once they hooked squeze their balls... Surely what is good for MS is good for the USA, and what is good for

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-22 Thread dep
begin Pam R's quote: | Surely what is good for MS is good for the USA, and what is good | for the USA is just what the rest of the world really really wants? your predicate assumption is in error, and your conclusion, while correct if the rest of the world wanted what was good for it, is

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-22 Thread Zoki
- Original Message - From: Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Intel LaGrande On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Pam R wrote: Turning Palladium completely off includes turning it off in hardware, which prevents any software

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-21 Thread Ted Ozolins
On Friday 20 September 2002 16:40, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: It may be optional now but as soon as they can MS will make it non-optional. That's what they've done for everything so far - once they got the software market sewed up they hiked prices and but the screws to everyone. If you look

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Friday 20 September 2002 07:21 am,dep wrote: the other shoe has dropped: Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium trusted -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only -- support in its next generation of chips, according to published reports.

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Stuart Biggerstaff
So... maybe the opportunity VIA needs? Besides furnishing chips for the $200.00 Lindows system Walmart sells At 10:21 AM 9/20/02 -0400, dep wrote: the other shoe has dropped: Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium trusted -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only --

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Net Llama!
On Fri, 20 Sep 2002, Tony Alfrey wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 07:21 am,dep wrote: the other shoe has dropped: Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium trusted -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only -- support in its next generation of chips, according to

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Pam R
On Friday 20 September 2002 3:21 pm, dep wrote: the other shoe has dropped: Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium trusted -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only -- support in its next generation of chips, according to published reports.

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Friday 20 September 2002 10:44 am,Pam R wrote: snip Palladium is an opt-in system. Palladium is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will ship with the Palladium hardware and software features turned off. The user of the system can choose to simply stay with this default setting,

RE: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Condon Thomas A KPWA
Pam, I don't quite understand what the fuss is all about, to quote from MS's http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724pal ladiumwp.asp SNIP Palladium is an opt-in system. SNIP Turning Palladium completely off includes turning it off in hardware, which

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread R. Quenett
Who was it who remarked to the effect that 'a merchant would sell the rope to be used at his own hanging'? R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one,

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Joel Hammer
Lenin. Joel On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 05:32:56PM -0500, R. Quenett wrote: Who was it who remarked to the effect that 'a merchant would sell the rope to be used at his own hanging'? R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Lee
If the Hollings's bill ever gets passed it would be a federal offense to run thwe chip with Palladium switched off. Tony Alfrey wrote: On Friday 20 September 2002 10:44 am,Pam R wrote: snip Palladium is an opt-in system. Palladium is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread R. Quenett
from Joel Hammer: Lenin. Fitting. Thanks. R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there is one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Lee
R. Quenett wrote: Who was it who remarked to the effect that 'a merchant would sell the rope to be used at his own hanging'? R -- http://www.quen.net\ That was Lenin, when we hang the last capitalist he will supply the rope. Lee Fix reason firmly in her seat and call to her

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
It may be optional now but as soon as they can MS will make it non-optional. That's what they've done for everything so far - once they got the software market sewed up they hiked prices and but the screws to everyone. If you look at what it is it's typical MS - a nonsolution to a problem

Re: Intel LaGrande

2002-09-20 Thread R. Quenett
from Lee: That was Lenin, when we hang the last capitalist he will supply the rope. Thankyou. That was the thought that popped into my mind when reading the AMD will support Palladium story, but I couldn't remember the source. R -- http://www.quen.net Fix reason firmly in her seat and