Re: Free IBM AT

Chris, > Then there was the > 68000 based lab computer (O so you didn't know IBM > used the 68k!). Also about 10 grand IIRC. You are referring to the IBM PC/9000 system. BYTE magazine had a very good article about this long ago, mid 1980s I believe. Seemed like a very good machine but with a ve

Re: Lisa schematics

Jason, Lisa schematics are found at http://lisa.sunder.net/cgi-bin/bookview2.cgi?zoom=0?image=0?book=6 - David Craig -- >From: "Jason Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "LisaList" >Subject: Lisa schematics >Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2006, 1:01 PM > > Hey guys, > > I'm renewing the caps on my

Re: Alice

source listing. - David Craig -- From: Anthony Moss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LisaList" Subject: Re: Alice Date: Wed, Nov 23, 2005, 6:59 AM "Shirl" wrote: > Apple's first Lisa game was most likely the MAZE program written by Steve > Capps, the author of

Re: Alice

Steve, Apple's first Lisa game was most likely the MAZE program written by Steve Capps, the author of the ALICE game. I recall reading a ST. MAC maqgazine article about MAZE which talked about its origins on the Lisa. I believe ALICE came after MAZE. You should try to contact Steve Capps directl

Re: Lisa 2/5 Profiles crash - ProFile formatting

Hello Helmut, ProFile technical documents ... > How many pages do I have to scan? There are around 500 to 600 pages here at least from what I recall. If someone in the USA can scan these that may be better than mailing these materials to Europe. Q: Does someone in the USA want to scan these P

Re: Lisa 2/5 Profiles crash - ProFile formatting

Hello Helmut, > I'm very interested in the internal Profile material If someone wants to scan these ProFile hard drive technical materials that would be fine with me. I can send someone them and if I can receive materials and the scanned graphic files back that would be great. I would like the s

Re: Lisa 2/5 Profiles crash - ProFile formatting

Hello Helmut, > There is no book or service web site as far as I know. You are correct that you need an Apple III and a special ProFile controller board processor to format a ProFile hard drive. The same applies also to the Widget drive in the Lisa. There is service information available to do

Sony 3.5" 400K disk drive specification

Hi Mike, >From: mike sherry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Wed, Sep 7, 2005, 4:00 AM > > I am seriously impressed by that floppy design ! If you would like to see Apple's internal design specification for the Sony 3.5" 400K drive, I have them in PDF format which I could email you. - David Craig --

Lisa Office System source code ?

Hi Does anyone have Lisa Office System source listings? I'm trying to find the source listing to such programs as the Lisa Desktop Manager ("Lisa Finder" in Mac parlance) or any of the Lisa applications such as LisaWrite. Paper listings are fine. I just want to see how these programs were built

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 1b

Okay, so let's start at the beginning. I started at Apple on July 17th, 1980, and I just left there a few months ago. I was there for 17 years. This memo was written on July 18, 1980, so one thing I discovered when I left the big Xerox Corporation and went to this little Apple startup, was that you

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 1a

http://www.computerhistory.org/events/lectures/appleint_10281997/appleint_xs cript.shtml Origins of the Apple Human Interface Larry Tesler Chris Espinosa 5:30 PM, Tuesday, Oct. 28, 1997 Computer Museum History Center Building 126 Moffett Field Mountain View, CA 94035 This is a verbatim transcr

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 12

Q: Would you like to comment on the fact that both Lisa and the Xerox product [inaudible] ? LARRY TESLER: Yeah. Like the Xerox Star? And the Lisa -- the idea was, in both groups, was that people would only use a few applications. It's kind of true, most people only do use a few applications. But

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 11

Q: [Inaudible] LARRY TESLER: The question is, the user testing we showed for the Lisa had to do with novice users, and the question was whether we tested for how people acculturated over time. Well, the system, remember, from the very first page of the user interface guidelines Bill wrote was targ

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 10

I remember very, very, very clearly that one of the massive controversies around the development for the Macintosh, circa 1982-1983, was developers would come up to us and say, "You know, if you make the user interface consistent, and if you put all that software in ROM that makes it -- you know,

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 9

I'm going to read -- Bruce tends to philosophize a lot in this, so it's not going to be as useful to put up slides, but I'm going to read to you some of his experiences from the -- here we go. From user testing: "Our testing method is as follows. We set up a room with five to six computer systems.

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 8

Now, here's the big change. The Star had come out a year earlier than this, and we were all told by management and ourselves, "Don't pay any attention to that. We've got a product to ship." But in everybody's heart they kind of felt like "You know, most of the Lisa's easier to use than the Star, bu

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 7

All right. Now it's still 1981, I should mention that the Xerox Star was announced at NCC or something -- National Computer Conference, I think in June of '81. Some Lisa people flew out there, got a look at it. Bill Atkinson went, I believe, and Steve Jobs went, or maybe he sent Bill and didn't go

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 6

But, we started. This motivated those of us who decided we had to do this the right way to actually run more user tests. Because we thought maybe we could overwhelm them with facts, and that will overcome this reliance on votes of committees. So, Chris Doerr, Wallace Judd -- I think Wallace maybe

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 5

We had active folders, so we had to have passive folders; the folder that wasn't active was passive. Now look at the bottom. Who has ever seen Mac OS8? And when you drag a window to the bottom of the screen it just kind of pops, and becomes just a tab, and then you can click it and it will slide o

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 4

Those of you who know the Xerox Star know that the Xerox Star had that feature. Those of us who were from Xerox were under a confidentiality agreement, that we weren't allowed to tell the other Apple people about the Star. And so, as you go through this, you'll sometimes find that things seem like

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 3

Now, we talked about testing. We said that the design's already based on studies of user reactions to various models; as you saw, we did three or four hours of testing. [Laughter] And we're going to do more testing, and avoid any glaring design flaws. I was happy that that was put in, because that

Origins of the Apple Human Interface - part 2

And then it said, "The software is integrated through a powerful and simple user interface." And it doesn't say it here, but John Couch, who was in charge of the Lisa project, did a sort of Kennedy we're-going-to-send-a-man-to-the-moon-and-bring-him-back thing; he said "All I want is, I want to be

Origins of the Apple Human Interface

For a great discussion of the development of the Lisa computer's user interface see the following web site which has a transcript of a presentation by one of the Lisa's creators, Larry Tesler. Origins of the Apple Human Interface Larry Tesler Chris Espinosa Oct. 28, 1997 http://www.computerhist

Re: Lisa History

Steve asked ... > Why has the Lisa team remained silent? Isn't there a book here? I'd > personally love to have all the anecdotes and the like concerning the > Lisa's development to read. There's a little bit about it on the Mac > Folklore site, but everything is so Mac-centric. It would be refre

Re: LisaGuide.

Marcin I have around a 100 screen shots on paper of LisaGuide in action. I made these when the Lisa debuted so I would have a paper copy of how to use the Lisa user interface. I will scan this document for you so you can have for your UI web site. - David Craig -- >From: Marcin Wichary

Re: Lisa Office System and GUI

Marcin, The field of GUI design seems to be full of creativie copying and alterations ans originality. Many many many people are involved in this area and they learn from each other. At least that is my impression. I think this behavior is very good since it provides innovations which hopefully e

Re: Lisa Office System

Marcin, > I did not research IBM's GUI development in as much detail as I would > love to, but I think it all happened later. First OS/2 1.1 with GUI > (joint creation of Microsoft and IBM) was released as late as in 1988. My undrstanding is IBM investigated an icon-based GUI _before_ there was

Re: Lisa Office System and GUI

ve the memo on > the design of the one-button mouse. I don't know, someday I may have > time to go through my papers and find out" > > greetings TOM from Bavaria > more humour ? Check this: www.deschler-web.de/Bilder/gaids.jpg > In a world without walls or fences, who needs

Re: Lisa Office System

Macmoni: > There have been some developer systems, too. > These were not available for custom users, but apple supported selected > developers with a (or even several) Lisas and software. You are correct. Apple did provide pre-release versions of Lisa software to selected individuals outside of

Re: Lisa Office System versions.

Marcin There was also I believe a version 1.4 of the Lisa Office System. Believe the various 1.x versions fixed bugs. The Semaphore Signal magazine, which is available on the internet, mentions the version numbers. Also, as others have said here, there were international versions too, but these

Lisa 2 external video connector and video cameras

Hi Q: Can the Lisa 2's external RCA video connector be used to record video output on a NTSC video camera? I want to make a pristine movie of my Lisa working which includes the startup, booting, Lisa Office System, Lisa Workshop, and MacWorks. I want clear and stable video images, no interlace p

Re: My sick 2/10 - Widget hard disk schematics

Jason Widget disk drive schematics are attached, hope these are helpful. Will sent 2 emails with these since rather large scans. - David -- LisaList is sponsored by and... Shop buy.com and save. Support Low End Mac

Re: My sick 2/10

Jason, > I have a sick 2/10. When I push the power button, there is a 'whump' from > the speaker, the diskette drive motor spins a little, and that's is. No > lights, CRT activity, nothing. Seems like others say this is a power supply problem or an over-current problem. In case the schematic fo

Re: My sick 2/10

Jason, >From: "Jason Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: My sick 2/10 >Date: Wed, Nov 24, 2004, 4:21 PM > > I have a sick 2/10. When I push the power button, there is a 'whump' from > the speaker, the diskette drive motor spins a little, and that's is. No > lights, CRT activity, nothing. I ha

Re: Looking for parts or a parts machine

Stephen, > I'm really looking for a working widget drive or someone who can test > out a widget drive > and possibly even low level format it Try the following person who may be able to fix Lisa hard drives: JOHN WOODALL [EMAIL PROTECTED] My understanding of Widget hard drive low-level

Re: PSU

> If you find a place that will fix Lisa power supplies, can you post it back > here on the list? Try: JOHN WOODALL [EMAIL PROTECTED] He works on Lisas and seems to know quite a bit about their hardware. - David Craig -- LisaList is sponsored by and... Shop b

Re: Installing Lisa Office applications on Profile?

Larry, Nice to hear a voice from Lisa's past clarifying a Lisa feature. > I don't think the Lisa's disk space was all that limited I recall always running out of disk space while using the Office System even with an internal 10 MB drive (Widget) and an external 5 MB drive (ProFile). I recall sp

Re: Installing Lisa Office applications on Profile?

Steve, > I believe you have to highlight the icon of the application in question on > the floppy, then choose "make duplicate" or "make copy" and then drag the > copy to the Profile/Widget. You are correct. The Lisa Office System's Desktop Manager ("finder") copying methodology was to always _

Re: Installing Lisa Office applications on Profile?

Chris, > Right, I know about the copy protection, I am referring to how to > actually copy the application from the floppy to the HD. The Lisa > doesn't seem to want to let me. I tried dragging the app icon, that > didn't work. It's not a serial number issue, these are freshly made > floppies.

Re: Installing Lisa Office applications on Profile?

Hi Chris, > Does anyone on the list remember the technique for installing Lisa > Office apps on the HD so you don't need to continue to insert > floppies? Hope all is going well with you these days. I'm not sure what you're referring to here. My understanding is Lisa applications were serialize

Re: PSU

Mike > Does anyone know of any more sources I could > try for a Lisa PSU [power supply unit] ? For Lisa parts you could try: John Woodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] He repairs and sells Lisas and knows quite a bit about them. I am suprised that Sun Remarketing still has any Lisas or parts to s

Re: Installing Lisa OS on ProFile

Ray Arachelian may have written: > Lisa OS 3. aka 7/7 1 is just Lisa OS 3.0 with one more application: > LisaTerminal Hi Ray Not quite right here if I recall correctly. Lisa Office System 3.1 fixed a few 3.0 bugs in some of the applications and in the Office System shell itself (the desktop ma

Re: Installing Lisa OS on ProFile

Chris How about trying the LISA TEST diskette to see if this will format the ProFile drive attached to your parallel card. Believe there is a repair or format utility in Lisa Test. - David Craig -- >From: Chris Smolinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "LisaList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject:

Re: I Want A Lisa

Hi Dan, Recommend you contact the following person about Lisas for sale (you can mention my name to him): JOHN WOODALL [EMAIL PROTECTED] He may have some Lisas for sale and is also very knowledgable about repairing them. Q: How much is a Lisa/Macintosh XL worth? In my opinion, I'd say