Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

Thanks Jay for explaining the undercurrents behind the Paris decision on "1.0 INTRODUCTION". I must say that I like the reworking of the essence of the ORSC position into text that satisfied all parties to the Paris Draft. I also want to say that we shodul all look at the Paris Draft to see if w

Re: Another view on Ogilvy and ICANN

Sean and all, Well there are a few suggestions that have been made many times before Sean, that the ICANN "Initial" and Interim Board has been ask to do that would go a long ways towards good PR for them, that thus far they have refused to do. 1.) Where are their bonifides as to how and whom s

Re: Paris Draft Site Up with Full Draft Text

It is not my position to speak for the IATLD, I am not a member. On 07-Feb-99 John Charles Broomfield wrote: > > Hi William, > There's no doubt at all about where my support is, but it's not that > which I'm calling in doubt. The company I work for as CTO was one of the > original sign

Re: Another view on Ogilvy and ICANN

(Deep breath) Greetings all. I'm with Alexander Ogilvy and am working on the ICANN account. The perspectives below nicely sum up the realities of our engagement. And, yes it's true, most non-profits, NGOs and even govt. agencies employ communications firms to assist them. I'm weighing

Re: Another view on Ogilvy and ICANN

Touche Dave, a very nice example of how to put things positively rather than negatively. :-) one that i suppose I should try to emulate. did you miss esthers response? she said: "at a discount, approximately cost." so they are paying something would be instructive to see what they are p

Re: Another view on Ogilvy and ICANN

Daev, how could I not agree? As I've said, good PR firms help you figure out what you're trying to say and help you say it. They also bring the bad news back to the client so that the client can deal with reality. The better PR firms routinely turn down clients whom they don't want to represen

Another view on Ogilvy and ICANN

Gordon, There is another view on the engagement of Ogilvy by ICANN. It is very common for not for profits to be helped by PR firms for payment that covers basically out of pocket expenses. I would assume that is the case with ICANN. PR firms offer a lot of services NOT JUST spin doctoring th

Re: ICANN stop this

Sascha and all, With respect to William Walsh, I must agree with you completely on this score. His incessant personal attacks of many individuals are inappropriate and of little use to anyone. Sascha Ignjatovic wrote: > On Sat, 6 Feb 1999, William X. Walsh wrote: > > > Sascha doesn't want to

Re: Paris Draft Site Up with Full Draft Text

On Sat, Feb 06, 1999 at 04:09:08PM -0500, Jay Fenello wrote: > > > Hello John, > > There are no conspiracies involved here. > > Producing a broad consensus draft is an involved > process. It took many people working long hours, > on tight schedules, to make it happen. According to the dnso

Re: Paris Draft Site Up with Full Draft Text

John In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Charles Broomfield writes: > Patrick Raimond (the admin contact for ".gp") speaks reasonably good > English. So let him decide. > I request: get GP off your lists and your webpage. (I have no idea > whether we will support the Paris draft or not, but

Re: Paris Draft Site Up with Full Draft Text

Hello John, There are no conspiracies involved here. Producing a broad consensus draft is an involved process. It took many people working long hours, on tight schedules, to make it happen. If any mistakes were made, they were not deliberate. I've already apologized for leaving off some n

Re: Paris Draft Site Up with Full Draft Text

It should be pointed out that Mr Broomfield has from day one tried to cast aspersions on the character of the iaTLD and that he is indeed a long time CORE supporter, and his comments should be taken in that light. As someone who participated in the original posts on wwTLD and apTLD lists regardi

Re: How much does ICANN PAY Ogilvy to "Create the right perception"?

at a discount, approximately cost. Esther At 12:39 PM 06/02/99 -0500, Gordon Cook wrote: >Esther, Is ogilvy doing this for free? For a discount or at its regular >rates? how much *ARE* you pasying them for their slippery sleight of hand. > >Here in their own words from their own web site is th

Re: Flawed Drafts submitted to ICANN

Hi Michael, With all due respect, you are wrong! No deals were made in Paris -- simply an effort at finding the common ground between competing ideas and philosophies. My favorite example is the debate over RFC 1591. There were three very different, and in some cases, divergent positions

Re: DNSO Application -- The Paris Draft

As soon as INEGroup presents its bonafides and verifies its stakeholder position, then its suggestions might carry more weight. But INEGroup is still not willing to provide even ONE phone number of a supporter, employee, or associate which does not ring to Jeff's voice mail. That would go a lon

Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

Michael, Are you really this dense? Michael, your comments below are WAY out of line, and I demand an apology. On 06-Feb-99 Michael Sondow wrote: > William X. Walsh a écrit: > > > It should also be pointed out the Mr Sondow was one of the most vocal > > supporters > > of the DNSO.org proce

Re: Desert Island Discs

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Martin B. Schwimmer wrote: > Forget about this DNSO business. Let's just compile a list of ten CDs (I > was going to say album but that would have dated me) we would take to a > desert island (I was going to say Niue but I know Bill Semich has a > collection of MP3 files ther

Re: A little off topic

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Kerry Miller wrote: > better if ICANN proclaims forthwith that all domain names will be > characterized in Cyrillic. When does the .KOM domain open for business? Where can I register MEMPA.KOM Will we keep the .NET domain (good Cyrillic letters) or will it be translated

Re: Round robins

Greg, { ... the types of { proposals you made to me and the lists were not the same type you { would make in your profession for similar circumstances. In other { words, you hold the Internet to different standards than the { surveying profession. Professional practice is concerned to maint

How much does ICANN PAY Ogilvy to "Create the right perception"?

Esther, Is ogilvy doing this for free? For a discount or at its regular rates? how much *ARE* you pasying them for their slippery sleight of hand. Here in their own words from their own web site is their methodology for helping outfits like ICANN, outfits in trouble with alienated publics, doct

Paris Draft Site Up with Full Draft Text

Hello everyone. After catching up on some sleep, I have now made sure that the http://dnso.association.org/ web site is now up to date with the complete draft of the Paris Draft Proposal, the cover letter and the supporting letter from AIP, with the appendix of proposed edits that couldn't make it

RE: Don't Take Their Word For It!

At 04:02 PM 2/6/99 +0100, Roberto Gaetano wrote: >Wiliam Walsh: >> On 06-Feb-99 Javier SOLA wrote: >> > >> The WITSA (or DNSO.org/INTA) Draft application is at: >> http://www.witsa.org/press/domainapp.htm >> >> The Paris Application (Supported by CENTR, RIPE, IATLD, APTLD, directly by >> a >> n

Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

William X. Walsh a écrit: > It should also be pointed out the Mr Sondow was one of the most vocal supporters > of the DNSO.org process, I supported the process when it was a good one. I was one of the participants, like Eberhard Lisse, Bill Semitch, Nii Quaynor, Ricardo Sawon, Daniel Kaplan,and

Re: Desert Island Discs

1. Leo Kottke: Mudlark 2. Little Feat: Waiting for Columbus 3. Miles Davis: ESP 4. Tori Amos: Tales from the Choirgirl Hotel 5. Talk Talk: History Revisited I hereby protest the no greatest hits rule (What makes those TM folks think they can always make the rules for everyone else? Things are gon

RE: Draft comparison

Ellen, You wrote: > Einar Stefferud wrote: > >I stongly agree that you should keep all drafts for the historical > >record to prevent further rewriting of DNSO history! > > I'm pleased that you find these comparisons so useful. > Once again, an outstanding job. > The two proposals that have b

RE: Don't Take Their Word For It!

William, You wrote: > On 06-Feb-99 Javier SOLA wrote: > > > > Please people, do not take these people's word on this stuff. READ THE > DRAFTS > and ask yourself these questions. Form your own opinion and PLEASE, above > all, > MAKE YOUR OPINION KNOWN by posting to the various lists of this >

Re: [ifwp] NSI Domain Name Dispute Stats

Greg Skinner wrote: > I don't want to go so far as to say that a domain name must map to an > IP address. That would rule out domain names that map to MX records > that forward mail to hosts that are not attached to the Internet > proper, for example. But I do think that the assignment of domain

Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

Dr Lisse, I think you mistook my message as a criticism. :) I was pointing out for those that have not been in this as long as you and I and Michael, that our criticisms of the DNSO.org did not come lightly. That indeed we supported the DNSO.org at one point, and made efforts to work within

Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

William, In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "William X. Walsh" writes: > > On 06-Feb-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > > Even Michael Sondow who has been as vocal in criticizing you two as I > > but on a different level has signed off on it on behalf of the ICIIU. > It should also be pointed out t

Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

On 06-Feb-99 Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote: > Even Michael Sondow who has been as vocal in criticizing you two as I > but on a different level has signed off on it on behalf of the ICIIU. It should also be pointed out the Mr Sondow was one of the most vocal supporters of the DNSO.org process, even

Re: [Fwd: Proposal to ICANN]

Stef, In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Einar Stefferud writes: > Hello Eberhard;-)... > > I believe that we can submit a revised list of Parus Draft supporters > on Sunday, as the deadline for submission was at midnight tonight, US > PST, which is a few minutes from now;-)... > > I see very li

Re: Draft comparison

In message , Ellen Rony writes: > The two proposals that have been submitted to ICANN (DNSO.ORG of 2/5 and > Paris Draft of 2/4) are now posted at www.domainhandbook.com/comp-dnso.html > Earlier draft versions are posted at > www.domainhandbook.com/comp-dn

Re: DNSO process and Drafts submitted to ICANN

Amadeu, In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Amadeu Abril i Abril writes: [...] > As many of you are aware, there are two drafts that have come out of > the so called DNSO.org process. I actually wanted to call you a liar, but as you are a lawyer this must be caused by a professional (habitual) i

Re: Draft comparison

Einar Stefferud wrote: >I stongly agree that you should keep all drafts for the historical >record to prevent further rewriting of DNSO history! I'm pleased that you find these comparisons so useful. The two proposals that have been submitted to ICANN (DNSO.ORG of 2/5 and Paris Draft of 2/4) are

Re: Some recent DNSO-related meetings

I'm not sure one inoculation is sufficient esther At 02:37 PM 31/01/99 -0500, Antony Van Couvering wrote: >It seems that Marc Chinoy, moderator of the recent meetings in Washington, >is not a stranger to the subject of the DNSO. FICPI (International >Federation of Intellectual Patent Attorn

Don't Take Their Word For It!

On 06-Feb-99 Javier SOLA wrote: > > >> The Paris draft is a huge compromise that provides for a truly balanced > >> representation. > > > >The Paris meeting was an invitation-only meeting heavily biased > >towards registries, and the Registries draft is a reflection of that. > > Also my feel

Re: ICANN Signs Up a Spin Doctor

May I respectfully suggest that Ellen add a section to her Grey Ribbon pages for "Objectors" and place messages such as Kent's on that page for public viewing. After all, he posted it to a public list so it is now in the public domain, and he surely wishes that his position be widely known. So

Re: Draft comparison

I stongly agree that you should keep all drafts for the historical record to prevent further rewriting of DNSO history! Cheers...\Stef >From your message Sat, 06 Feb 1999 08:37:59 +0200: } }Ellen, } }Please, under *NO CIRCUMSTANCES* take down the five drafts of the }comparative Web Page. } }If

Re: [Fwd: Proposal to ICANN]

Hello Eberhard;-)... I believe that we can submit a revised list of Parus Draft supporters on Sunday, as the deadline for submission was at midnight tonight, US PST, which is a few minutes from now;-)... I see very little likelyhood that anyone would be upset if we submit a revised and updated

Re: And Now, we get to battle ICANN on the PRESS FRONT TOO!

Einar Stefferud writes: > I propose that we, as a community, make <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> mailign > list our list of record and tell ICANN that we have decided this > question for them and that we expect ICANN to abide by our community > decision. Ironic that Mr. Stefferud sends this article only t

(fwd) RE: [Membership] MAC reports and models-New URLs

-- Start Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 22:32:17 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Membership] MAC reports and models-New URLs Esther Dyson makes a living based on her association with some of these organizations. She sells newsletters

The royal We

'jeff Williams' writes: > We at INEGroup would like to second Jays concern > and complaint as well... No-one here represents anyone but themselves. There are no participants who can speak on behalf of anyone but their own opinions, delusions, illusions, conceptions and misconceptions. Our na

Ogilvy International: We Con The World

> About Ogilvy PR: > See www.ogilvypr.com. > > Contact info: > > Sean Garrett > Director of Technology Policy Communications > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Europe: > Patrick Worms > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Asia: > Patricia Ratulangi > [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Draft comparison

Ellen, Please, under *NO CIRCUMSTANCES* take down the five drafts of the comparative Web Page. If it is at all possible put up the Paris Draft there. In particular should the DNSO.ORG draft (MTY) and Kent's Draft (INTA/Wash) remain, so that there easy reference can be made to them to explain t

Did Don Heath act improperly when he committed ISOC to theDNSO.ORG draft?

Once again Don Heath committs ISOC to the WRONG side, and does so by the context of Semich's letter inviolation of ISOC rules. Don Heath's contract is yearly according to Vint. I would hope that the patience of ISOC trustees is wearing thin with his performance. I understand his yearly contract

Re: [Fwd: Proposal to ICANN]

Jay, In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jay Fenello writes: > We are currently collecting signatures from individuals, > companies and organizations that support this approach, and > who would like to be included in the original submission to > ICANN. To be included, please send me an email by

Re: [ifwp] NSI Domain Name Dispute Stats

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Milton Mueller writes: > No, structured TLDs do not mean that you, the registry, must perform > trademark checks before registering a name. It simply means that the > *innocent* domain name registrant engaged in a string conflict has > an additional line of defense