Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-03 Thread Einar Stefferud
When pray tell did the Govt pay for my piece of the Internet. I do not recall ever getting any funds from them to pay for it. I sure would appreciate getting back my $70,000 spent on Internet stuff over the years. Somehow I expect you are not counting anything spent by non-govt people to

[IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Jay Fenello
There goes Internet democracy At 2/25/02 12:08 PM, Chris Chiu wrote: During a private retreat, the President of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, M Stuart Lynn, proposed vast changes to ICANN's governing structure These plans call for the abolition of ICANN public

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 01:02 PM 3/1/02 -0700, you wrote: Note: There was never a public vote to privatise the Internet, which is (was) public property. No, it's not. It's a set of interconnected *private* networks. Tony Rutkowski went to a lot of effort to make sure the Internet was, in a formal telecommunications

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Ken Freed
Did not the funds originally come from the government Doesn't that make the Internet, defacto, public property? I have great respect for Tony, but construing the net as private has caused more harm than good, i.e., ICANN. -- ken At 01:02 PM 3/1/02 -0700, you wrote: Note: There was never a

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Ken Freed
The Internet started in the military for decentralized communication, then expanded to universities with government research contracts, then expanded to state-sponsored universities, then private colleges universities, then the general public. I stand by my first statement. The net always was

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 02:26 PM 3/1/02 -0700, you wrote: The Internet started in the military for decentralized communication, then expanded to universities with government research contracts, then expanded to state-sponsored universities, then private colleges universities, then the general public. I stand by my

RE: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Richard J. Sexton
groups that own that resource, in this case the US people. So if the ccTLDs are treated as public resources under the control of national governments, They aren't. rfc1591 waa skillfully worded to prevent that. that part certainly cannot be said to be an interconnected private network. Who

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Michael Sondow
Am I mistaken, or did the DoC's White Paper call for management of the domain name system by the private sector? And what was that ICANN Article of Incorporation about lessening the burdens of government? Jay Fenello wrote: At 2/25/02 12:08 PM, Chris Chiu wrote: During a private retreat,

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Ken Freed
And outside of the USA, Internet development mostly was funded by governments. The U.S department of commerce had no right to make unilateral choices for them. The best way to get public accountability is to assert the Internet is a public utility, the same as the airwaves, subject to the will of

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 04:19 PM 3/1/02 -0700, you wrote: And outside of the USA, Internet development mostly was funded by governments. An interesting assertion. Can you back it up? First of all there really wasn't that much Internet development to speak of. In fact it didn't exists. Perhaps you're thinking of the

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Ken Freed
Examples are any nation on earth where the government owns the phone company, India for example. I'm more of a free marketeer than a socialist, to be sure, but by natural law, if the people rightfully own the government that constructs the network of interconnected networks, like a city builds

Re: [IFWP] Re: ICANN President proposes end to At-Large public elections

2002-03-01 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 11:06 PM 3/1/02 -0700, you wrote: Examples are any nation on earth where the government owns the phone company, India for example. I'm more of a free marketeer than a socialist, to be sure, but by natural law, if the people rightfully own the government that constructs the network of