Right on Patrick;-)...
And a strategy of first making an egg is not likely to work out.
First we need the chicken, and it will give us some eggs.
If we also have a rooster;-)...\Stef
At 19:19 -0700 10/09/01, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Ellen Rony wrote:
If there were
The development of TCP/IP and Mosaic were breathrough applications. Mosaic
allowed people to navigate the web with greater ease and Nascape, easier
yet, opened the doors to rapid expansion of the Internet.
The parallel universe of TLDs needs either a breathrough application (a
mere click on the
The parallel universe of TLDs needs either a breathrough application (a
mere click on the browser that allows people to select their choice of root
server operator) or breakthrough content that makes people want to
reconfigure computers to access that information.
(It's difficult, at this time,
FYI, there's been a solution to the chicken and egg problem for years.
The ethiopians have a dish, they put both chicken and the egg (hard
boiled) in same pot together.
It's called Doro Wat, recipe available at:
http://www.berko.demon.co.uk/recipes/DoroWot.html
n.b. professional poulty products
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Dan Steinberg wrote:
FYI, there's been a solution to the chicken and egg problem for years.
The ethiopians have a dish, they put both chicken and the egg (hard
boiled) in same pot together.
It's called Doro Wat, recipe available at:
I can understand you, Gordon, and still have my own perspective.
The trust you hope to see perhaps grows out of folks interacting
with mutual respect for one another, which for me grows out of
that global sense of our deep interactivity I keep talking about.
I have a long way to grow,
I think we are beginning to converge, but are still running in
different paradigms, so that our same words mean different things to
each of us.
I see in your text below, some sense that one way to solve the
problem of ICANN is to declare it to be a public enemy, and then call
the troops to
If there were killer content that is only available in the
other-than-IANA-root, then people would quietly (or not) begin
reconfiguring their computers to view it.
Right now, SuperRoot or Virtual Root or Competitive Root or whatever you
call it is like a private road in cyberspace. But give the
On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Ellen Rony wrote:
If there were killer content that is only available in the
other-than-IANA-root, then people would quietly (or not) begin
reconfiguring their computers to view it.
It's a chicken and egg problem...
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 16:01 [=GMT-0400], Richard J. Sexton wrote:
I agree with Gordon on this; we don't need gevernance. We didn't have any
to build the network and it's generally harder to build somehing than run it.
That would be great. However, if you own a piece of land in my country
and
At 04:36 PM 9/9/01 +0200, you wrote:
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 16:01 [=GMT-0400], Richard J. Sexton wrote:
I agree with Gordon on this; we don't need gevernance. We didn't have any
to build the network and it's generally harder to build somehing than run it.
That would be great. However, if you
Hello Ned --
At 12:27 -0600 08/09/01, Ken Freed wrote:
Wrongaroonie, Einar --
The goal is a decentralized network of independent democracies,
just as we need individuals practicing reponsible self rule from a
common global sense of our deep interactivity. That how genuine
freedom and democracy
And The Solution to this lament is _?
Assuming, of course, that laments have solutions.
Cheers...\Stef
At 16:36 +0200 09/09/01, Marc Schneiders wrote:
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 16:01 [=GMT-0400], Richard J. Sexton wrote:
I agree with Gordon on this; we don't need gevernance. We
On Sun, 9 Sep 2001, at 11:34 [=GMT-0700], Einar Stefferud wrote:
And The Solution to this lament is _?
Get a gun and shoot them of your land?
M.
Assuming, of course, that laments have solutions.
Cheers...\Stef
At 16:36 +0200 09/09/01, Marc Schneiders wrote:
On Sat, 8 Sep
Which is why we need laws governing the DNS, not committees.
-- ken
P.S. Richard: Your address: (Richard J. Sexton [EMAIL PROTECTED])
always bounces as undeliverable, if that info is helpful to you.
At 04:36 PM 9/9/01 +0200, you wrote:
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, at 16:01 [=GMT-0400],
Hi Stef --
The issue of despots arises because ICANN and all other
such tyrannies across the spectrum, varying by degree, are
able to function solely because people want to be ruled by
despots. It's classic codependency, an addictive behavior,
this need for saviors instead of saving ourselves,
P.S. Stef: You keep presuming I'm advocating centralization.
Please do not pidgeon-hole my ideas to fit your expectations.
I'm advocating quite the opposite: Decentralized democracy,
composed of individuals practicing reponsible self rule from
a global sense of our deep interactivity, a
Which is why we need laws governing the DNS, not committees.
-- ken
P.S. Richard: Your address: (Richard J. Sexton [EMAIL PROTECTED])
always bounces as undeliverable, if that info is helpful to you.
you simply DO NOT UNDERSTAND ken...
although I admitt I didn't fully
don't be offended, but your method is doomed to failure..
you will NEVER EVER get enough people to understand and to care
enough to make a dent in the monolith...
what you can do is begin to grasp the end to end problems and see how
trust fits and see that if end to end can be
P.S. Stef: You keep presuming I'm advocating centralization.
Please do not pidgeon-hole my ideas to fit your expectations.
I'm advocating quite the opposite: Decentralized democracy,
composed of individuals practicing reponsible self rule from
a global sense of our deep interactivity, a
Hi Ken -- So, you are just returning me to my first question;-)...
If some kind of democratic government, supported by a good constitution
is a good thing, why not try it also for the global economy?
I say this because they are both edge controlled environments,
and because economic freedom is
OK, so now we are back to edge control by individuals,
which is where I started.
My strong suspicion is that if you take the entire internet as your
target, that any government (with or without a constitution) will
tend toward becoming centralized and bureaucratic (and hence
dictatorial), and
Wrongaroonie, Einar --
The goal is a decentralized network of independent democracies,
just as we need individuals practicing reponsible self rule from a
common global sense of our deep interactivity. That how genuine
freedom and democracy can work best. Isn't it time for us humans
to outgrow our
Wrongaroonie, Einar --
The goal is a decentralized network of independent democracies,
just as we need individuals practicing reponsible self rule from a
common global sense of our deep interactivity. That how genuine
freedom and democracy can work best. Isn't it time for us humans
to outgrow our
I agree with Gordon on this; we don't need gevernance. We didn't have any
to build the network and it's generally harder to build somehing than run it.
--
But at the end of the day, even if you put a calico dress on
it and call it Florence, a pig is still a pig.
-- Bradshaw
Hi Everyone,
For an excellent summary of where we are
heading, check out the online book:
http://www.winwinworld.net/book/
I've embraced many of the concept there,
as can be seen on:
http://www.fenello.com
http://www.aligningwithpurpose.com
FYI FWIW,
Jay.
At 9/8/01 02:27 PM,
Glad to see my comments are stimulating good discourse!
That's half the battle, the other half is finding viable actions.
Someone offer a realistic way to stop ICANN, and I'll listen,
and do what I can to help. I remain a practical idealist.
E.g., What about the idea of a lawsuit challenging
Hiya, Stef. How's tricks?
You wrote:
Einar Stefferud wrote:
And then we can undertake to create a global constitution for the
Global Economy
They've beaten us to it. It's called the WTO.
and then take on any other edge controlled
environments which also surely need to have a
Seems to me any effort to work within ICANN
to acheive network democracy is innately an
act of self-deception, continuing the public lie
that ICANN is a legitimate government. It isn't.
There has never been a public vote to privatise
our public Internet. There has never been a public
vote to
And then we can undertake to create a global constitution for the
Global Economy, and then take on any other edge controlled
environments which also surely\ need to have a constitution, to apply
Centralized Democratic Government.
Enjoy your trip;-)...
At 12:47 -0600 07/09/01, Ken Freed
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