Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-11 Thread Diane Cabell
- Original Message - From: Gordon Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Gordon Cook
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Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions

1999-09-10 Thread Patrick Greenwell
On Fri, 10 Sep 1999, Greg Skinner wrote: > Richard Sexton wrote: > > > Gimme a break. I've watched IAHC fail for not being this very thing, > > I've watched IFWP try real hard to be just this then get scuttled > > by the IANA Cabal who are now ICANN and who will fail for the > > same reasons - i

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions

1999-09-10 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 07:20 PM 9/10/99 -0700, Greg Skinner wrote: >Richard Sexton wrote: > >> Gimme a break. I've watched IAHC fail for not being this very thing, >> I've watched IFWP try real hard to be just this then get scuttled >> by the IANA Cabal who are now ICANN and who will fail for the >> same reasons - it

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions

1999-09-10 Thread Greg Skinner
Richard Sexton wrote: > Gimme a break. I've watched IAHC fail for not being this very thing, > I've watched IFWP try real hard to be just this then get scuttled > by the IANA Cabal who are now ICANN and who will fail for the > same reasons - it is not legitimate, open, transparent or > representa

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Richard J. Sexton
At 07:17 PM 9/10/99 -0400, David Farber wrote: >At 2:20 PM -0700 9/10/99, Greg Skinner wrote: >>It strikes me that Farber is not so much defending ICANN (as it currently >>exists) as he is defending *the process* by which there can be Internet >>self-governance. If ICANN (as it currently exists)

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Diane Cabell
PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN > It

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re:November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread David Farber
Many thanks, yes yes yes At 2:20 PM -0700 9/10/99, Greg Skinner wrote: >It strikes me that Farber is not so much defending ICANN (as it currently >exists) as he is defending *the process* by which there can be Internet >self-governance. If ICANN (as it currently exists) falls, the process may >f

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Greg Skinner
Tony Rutkowski wrote: > Greg Skinner wrote: >>Then we might very well be subject to laws that are the result of the >>laissez-faire regulatory policies governments like the US seem to employ >>that favor big businesses. > Like what? Auction of spectrum to cellular phone companies, for example.

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Jeff Williams
Tony and all, A.M. Rutkowski wrote: > At 05:20 PM 9/10/99 , Greg Skinner wrote: > >fall as well. Then we might very well be subject to laws that are the > >result of the laissez-faire regulatory policies governments like the US > >seem to employ that favor big businesses. > > Like what? > > Eve

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread A.M. Rutkowski
At 05:20 PM 9/10/99 , Greg Skinner wrote: >fall as well. Then we might very well be subject to laws that are the >result of the laissez-faire regulatory policies governments like the US >seem to employ that favor big businesses. Like what? Even the telecom industry doesn't have anything as path

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Jeff Williams
Greg and all, I don't find or see a great possibility of what you say Farber is saying will happen. It is possible yes, but highly improbable given that the USG has failed so many times already and a major election is in the offing soon. Hence there is plenty of time for another stab at all t

Re: [IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November Cook Report - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enabling ICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Greg Skinner
It strikes me that Farber is not so much defending ICANN (as it currently exists) as he is defending *the process* by which there can be Internet self-governance. If ICANN (as it currently exists) falls, the process may fall as well. Then we might very well be subject to laws that are the result

[IFWP] please give us substance and not assertions Re: November CookReport - intro and part 1 ISOC's critical role in enablingICANN

1999-09-10 Thread Gordon Cook
Dave this is a perfectly reasonable comment. There is only one point on which I STRONGLY disagree with it. >you say: If ICANN fails it >will be taken as a indicator that the net can not manage itself and we will get "Adult" supervision which believe me we will not like. Vint, Esther, John and