Re: [WSG] URL Safari Check

Look great on home page , the other page have a wider navigation with spaces between the nav items, and I see a white block under the main images sticking outside on the right sideOn Aug 1, 2006, at 2:47 AM, Nick Gleitzman wrote:Christian Fagan wrote: Could I please get a Safari check on the follo

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

* refuse to support Macs and refer any compaints to the boss and the IT department. Looks like that's the way to go, because .. * find a friend or collegue with Mac and ask them for help don't have any .. * buy a cheap iMac and test at home not in any financial position to even consid

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

SunUp wrote: > It's the Mac problem. There's no way my department's budget > will extend to purchasing an old Mac just for testing purposes, > and even if that happened, I'd then have a fight on my hands > with our IT department about network points and security issues. If I was in that sit

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On 8/3/06, Geoff wrote: see: http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ @import url('styles.css'); /* excludes NS4, Mac IE5 */ @import 'styles.css'; /* excludes NS4, IE4, Mac IE5 */ I guess I'll have to try this. Right now I have this in the head of all my html pages: @import "css/base.css"; /

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On 3/8/06 2:18 PM, "Ben Buchanan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> one of the things I do is I actually have a completely >> craptastic Windows laptop that I test every site I create on. > > On a related note... apparently Virtual PC is now free! > > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/defau

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Gotcha. Do you have Classic Mode at work? I've seen some places have it. Cheers, Dani On 8/2/06 11:57 PM, "SunUp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dani wrote: >> If developing for IE is a genuine issue for you, ... I'm sure you could find >> a cheapish one >> on eBay or something similar; > > Tha

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Sunny wrote: > I know how to prevent v.4 browsers from getting my styles, but how do > I stop IE5/Mac from getting them?? All I know how to do is to give them > something different, not how to exclude them entirely. see: http://centricle.com/ref/css/filters/ @import url('styles.css'); /* ex

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

one of the things I do is I actually have a completely craptastic Windows laptop that I test every site I create on. On a related note... apparently Virtual PC is now free! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx I haven't had time to play with it though Ben -- ---

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Dani wrote: If developing for IE is a genuine issue for you, ... I'm sure you could find a cheapish one on eBay or something similar; Thanks Dani, but I have IE5, IE5.5 and IE6.0 running on my PC, .. it's not that... (although IE7 testing is proving difficult).. It's the Mac problem. There'

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

On Aug 3, 2006, at 12:23 PM, SunUp wrote: I know how to prevent v.4 browsers from getting my styles, but how do I stop IE5/Mac from getting them?? All I know how to do is to give them something different, not how to exclude them entirely. wrap your entire stylesheet in a @media statement, lik

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

SunUp wrote: I know how to prevent v.4 browsers from getting my styles, but how do I stop IE5/Mac from getting them?? All I know how to do is to give them something different, not how to exclude them entirely. Wrap all styles you don't want IE/Mac to see in an @media rule. Georg --

Re: [WSG] Table Attributes and CSS

On Aug 3, 2006, at 10:20 AM, Rachel May wrote: Cellspacing from memory you can't control through css although I could be wrong about that...? cellspacing is controlled through the border-collapse and border- spacing properties. [1] Presently iExploder only supports border-collapse:collapse

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Sunny, I'm sorry you had to go through this. If developing for IE is a genuine issue for you, one of the things I do is I actually have a completely craptastic Windows laptop that I test every site I create on. It was given to me by my mother, runs Windows XP, I can't get the resolution to go abov

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

To see what went wrong for them, you could run your site through browsercam (www.browsercam.com). The free trial will show you how it works and give you an idea of what your page looks like in IE5.2/Mac. ya, I'm doing that right now .. but I think I blew it .. messed up one of the settings, and

Re: [WSG] Using Tables w/CSS

David Laakso wrote: CK wrote: Hi, My attempt at learning a step backwards has left me stumped: (http://working.bushidodeep.com/table_layout/2Col_layout.html) I've validation errors that I'm unable to debug. Would someone guide me to the correct solution? A tableless layout

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Hi, 30 mintues ago I got a call from a user of our site (a department in a major public health institution) to say our site "doesn't work" for him. I established that he is using IE5/Mac (OS9). ... He took extreme umbrage ... You've experienced a web developer rite of passage - "phone call fro

Re: [WSG] Using Tables w/CSS

CK wrote: Hi, My attempt at learning a step backwards has left me stumped: (http://working.bushidodeep.com/table_layout/2Col_layout.html) I've validation errors that I'm unable to debug. Would someone guide me to the correct solution? A tableless layout

RE: [WSG] Table Attributes and CSS

Hi CK, Ditto everything Rachel said. Do keep cellspacing at '0' in the markup but handle padding in your style sheet. One thing I do is set some global parameters at the top of my style sheet and deal with exceptions later on in classes and id's. Margin and padding can end up being your best frie

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Someone wrote: Out of interest, does anyone know how many OS 9 users are still out there? Amazing timing: 30 mintues ago I got a call from a user of our site (a department in a major public health institution) to say our site "doesn't work" for him. I established that he is using IE5/Mac (OS9)

Re: [WSG] proper image-content-image markup

At 04:38 PM 8/2/2006, Brian Cummiskey wrote: I have a template from a designer for a background image to go behind the H2 category tags on a new layout. It has distinct fixed left, center repeating (depending on text length), and fixed right portions to it. (something like this: ==t

RE: [WSG] Table Attributes and CSS

Hi CK, Valign can be done through css using the vertical-align rule. Colspan and rowspan have to be applied through the table html as far as I know. Cellpadding you need to set to 0 on the table as browsers have default values if 0 is not set. From there it can be applied using css as padding o

[WSG] Table Attributes and CSS

Hi, I've Googled with inconsistent results, what table attributes: valign colspan rowspan cellpadding cellspacing etc. Can CSS control, what others have to be applied to individual cells? I'm surprised how many US staffing agencies, still require freelancers to utilize tables for layout.

Re: [WSG] Using Tables w/CSS

Hi, The more I attempt to unlearn for the sake of a project and temp agency, the more I'm forced to agree. CK On Aug 2, 2006, at 3:33 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Table-designs are no more cross-browser reliable than CSS-layouts ;-) **

Re: [WSG] how to add svg+xml to htaccess file

Patrick H. Lauke wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have located the htaccess file on my server. my host doesn't want to change their current setup. what is the proper syntax to add this to the htaccess file? i would really like to do a copy and paste on this. would someone please help? l

[WSG] New window - Thickbox - iFrames - what to do?

Hi everyone, I'd love to hear opinions on what is the best option to take. I have an application where it is necessary to "preview" webpages in 3 different areas - one of them is to preview to choose the content of the page, one is to preview the stylesheet used, and the third is to preview the t

Re: [WSG] how to add svg+xml to htaccess file

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have located the htaccess file on my server. my host doesn't want to change their current setup. what is the proper syntax to add this to the htaccess file? i would really like to do a copy and paste on this. would someone please help? lastly, is there a mime ty

[WSG] proper image-content-image markup

Hi All, I have a template from a designer for a background image to go behind the H2 category tags on a new layout. It has distinct fixed left, center repeating (depending on text length), and fixed right portions to it. (something like this: ==text===Y) Which is the more p

[WSG] how to add svg+xml to htaccess file

i have located the htaccess file on my server. my host doesn't want to change their current setup. what is the proper syntax to add this to the htaccess file? i would really like to do a copy and paste on this. would someone please help? lastly, is there a mime type svg-xml? dwain *

RE: [WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

I’m pretty sure it’s downloaded regardless, then the browser will apply the styles as it sees fit (so in the case of printing it will apply style-sheets with the media=”print” on them) P.S, how’s Silverstripe going? You might remember me, I used to work for Toolbox in Wellington on implem

Re: [WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

Sigurd Magnusson wrote: Has anyone used a separate, external print style sheet so that you could review requests of the file, e.g. print.css, and look at the 'referer', thereby seeing which pages get printed on a website? Does this technique work, or do some browsers download this file with grea

[WSG] Tracking print.css to detemine printed pages

Has anyone used a separate, external print style sheet so that you could review requests of the file, e.g. print.css, and look at the 'referer', thereby seeing which pages get printed on a website? Does this technique work, or do som

[WSG] XHTML and lightbox

Anybody noticed issues with v2 of lightbox and pages served as applications/xhtml+xml? I have some pages utilizing lightbox, and just started making the switch to version 2 and noticed it wasn't working in firefox and opera, but was working in IE - turns out as soon as I start serving the

Re: [WSG] image verification

On Wednesday 02 August 2006 17:46, Ted Drake wrote: > A petition isn't going to solve anything. The major internet companies are > already aware of captcha problems. The above solution works great for a > personal site or small business. When you are Craigslist, amazon, yahoo, > etc a more robust t

Re: [WSG] Making Semantically Correct Instructions with Images in XHTML

Zachary, >> Right now, the > > instructions are separated into different paragraphs (separate > p> for each), and then for some paragraphs, there is a relevant > > image, included before the paragraph, and when styles are applied, > > the image is left floated in the paragraph. > If the questio

Re: [WSG] Using Tables w/CSS

CK wrote: Your attention is greatly appreciated. Would you expand, off-list as to not to cause clutter, on the quoted text? Some more CSS-tuning needed, and you'll have to decide what mode IE6 should run in. Don't think the following "causes clutter", as there certainly are some who may welc

[WSG] IE7 bug?

Yesterday I wrote about a problem I was having getting a hover menu to work properly in IE7. From what I can gather there was some interference between the old script I was using and how IE7 does hovers "properly". So I took out the script and produced a barebones page, IE7 didn't activate t

Re: [WSG] Using Tables w/CSS

Hi, Your attention is greatly appreciated. Would you expand, off-list as to not to cause clutter, on the quoted text? Respectfully, CK On Aug 2, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Some more CSS-tuning needed, and you'll have to decide what mode IE6 should run in.

Re: [WSG] Making Semantically Correct Instructions with Images in XHTML

Hi, If the question is understood, you can marry the text to an image with more predicable results, within a . See some examples here: (http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/definition/) This is my humble opinion :) CK On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:48 PM, Zachary Hopkins wrote: Hello all! I'm

Re: [WSG] Making Semantically Correct Instructions with Images in XHTML

I don't know that it would necessarily be important to do that, but if you wanted to, putting that information in the ALT text or TITLE text within the image tag should work just fine. I imagine that putting the text with the image would end up confusing folks. Cheers, Dani ~~

Re: [WSG] Making Semantically Correct Instructions with Images in XHTML

See figure 1 Marko Mrdjenovic Zachary Hopkins wrote: Hello all! I'm working on a web page right now that contains a lot of different guides and tutorials for people who ask me the same questions a lot (eg, How do run an antivirus scan?; How do I check for spyware?; How do it set _ up?

Re: [WSG] Using Tables w/CSS

CK wrote: The problem is solved, but the question lingers is this the most streamline solution? Don't know since it is a bit minimal at the moment. If this is what you're working on... ...then it may at least pass as a valid and co

Re: [WSG] image verification

I know one. Don't use CAPTCHA at all. You're supposed to get rid of spam, not your users. Use akismet. Best regards, Marko Mrdjenovic Marissa Manzino wrote: Hi, DOes any know how to get around the image verification system? If you're blind, or have another disability this could be a proble

Re: [WSG] Making Semantically Correct Instructions with Images in XHTML

Hi Zachary, The reference to "see the image at left" is not a good idea since there is no left or right when formatting is removed. > So, I thought about adding some text around the image, > "figure 1" for example, and then somehow referencing > for linking to that in the text. There is no need

[WSG] Making Semantically Correct Instructions with Images in XHTML

Hello all! I'm working on a web page right now that contains a lot of different guides and tutorials for people who ask me the same questions a lot (eg, How do run an antivirus scan?; How do I check for spyware?; How do it set _ up?; etc...). Right now, the instructions are separated into

[WSG] Using Tables w/CSS

Hi, The problem is solved, but the question lingers is this the most streamline solution? Return True, CK Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep http://bushidodeep.com/ __ "Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do."

[WSG] Using Tables w/CSS

Hi, My attempt at learning a step backwards has left me stumped: (http://working.bushidodeep.com/table_layout/2Col_layout.html) I've validation errors that I'm unable to debug. Would someone guide me to the correct solution? Return True, CK Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidode

Re: [WSG] image verification

If the question way or the calculation way became common practise, as with image verification, it would only be a matter of time before spam-bots collects the questions, and if the same questions are used widely, the spambots would soon know the answers as well :) You would have to create a row of

RE: [WSG] image verification

To simplify it further, take case sensitivity out of the equation and ask: what is 5+3?   From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted Drake Sent: 02 August 2006 16:47 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] image verification   Eric

RE: [WSG] image verification

Eric Meyer came up with one of the easiest ways to do this in an accessible manner.   Use a question like this: What color is an orange?   Now that may require someone knowing what an orange is, but you could do something like this.   To make sure you aren’t a computer, I’m going to a

Re: [WSG] image verification

Hello Marissa Welcome here, That link is off-line, may be momentary but i dont care. Cause i thing that could be a problem but are solutions for the issues of using that. And for that spammer, robots, scripts, whatever. that's is a major problem. The image verification is a method to avoid spam m

Re: [WSG] XHTML strict image spacing

From: "Tom Livingston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 8/2/06 11:07 AM, "Martin Heiden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Surprisingly, I can't seem to find any information on this. The XHTML Strict doctype I am using seems to put a space between images. Just ran into this on a recent small project. My firs

RE: [WSG] Hi, I'm new here!

Welcome to the group, Marissa.   From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa Manzino Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 9:19 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Hi, I'm new here!   Hello everyone,   My name is Mari

Re: [WSG] XHTML strict image spacing

On 8/2/06 11:07 AM, "Martin Heiden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Surprisingly, I can't seem to find any information on this. The >> XHTML Strict doctype I am using seems to put a space between images. Just ran into this on a recent small project. My first use of the Strict doctype. I got arou

[WSG] image verification

Hi,   DOes any know how to get around the image verification system? If you're blind, or have another disability this could be a problem. I have started a petition regarding this at: http://www.petitiononline.com/A67309/petition.html   If any of you know a way around this, please let me know!

RE: [WSG] Hiding form buttons that are not required when javascript is on

Instead of having it hidden for users without javascript, why not show it for users with javascript? You can set the button as display:none; but have a javascript onload event that will change the display to inline. Therefore, if the user does not have javascript it will stay as none. Just a thou

[WSG] Hi, I'm new here!

Hello everyone,   My name is Marissa Manzino. I recently signed up to this site and wanted to introduce myself. I hope that you are having a wonderful day!   Marissa   **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webst

RE: [WSG] First item on a list not rendering as a link it is. IE6.

I don't know if this will solve your problem or not, but try putting the 'inner' ul within the parent li. Example: stuff more stuff title of stuff beneath stuff beneath more stuff beneath

Re: [WSG] XHTML strict image spacing

Thanks Daz, much appreciated   Paul - Original Message - From: Darren West To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] XHTML strict image spacing Hi Paul,This article explains the reason why - http://www.quirksmode

Re: [WSG] XHTML strict image spacing

Paul, on Wednesday, August 2, 2006 at 16:36 wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wrote: > Surprisingly, I can't seem to find any information on this. The > XHTML Strict doctype I am using seems to put a space between images. There is nothing wrong with this behaviour. The img-tag is an inline element. If p

Re: [WSG] XHTML strict image spacing

From: "Paul Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Surprisingly, I can't seem to find any information on this. The XHTML Strict doctype I am using seems to put a space between images. I have got aronud this by using img {display:block} in the CSS, however this isn't really ideal as it throws a lot of

Re: [WSG] XHTML strict image spacing

Hi Paul,This article explains the reason why - http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.htmlYou could try floating the images to the left or using negative margins - depends on the design its impacting though. DazOn 02/08/06, Paul Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Surprisingly, I can't seem

[WSG] XHTML strict image spacing

Surprisingly, I can't seem to find any information on this. The XHTML Strict doctype I am using seems to put a space between images. I have got aronud this by using   img {display:block}   in the CSS, however this isn't really ideal as it throws a lot of designs out where I had been using a

Re: [WSG] text-shadow

haha, I feel the same! But I don´t think so: for example we can use the 'border-radius' for FF (http://virtuelvis.com/download/218/border-radius.html) and that does not mean we will be able to use these attributes in te short term. I don´t even dream in CSS3, since still 90% of the people who vis

Re: Re: [WSG] Opera Bug? (Table-displayed, left-floated, min-width content)

On 8/2/06, David Storey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Apologies for joining this discussion late, but my mail on this machine was set slightly differently, so my message was blocked. No problem - I appreciate your weighing in here. In short, this is a bug in Opera, where Shrink-to-fit container

[WSG] Out of office

I'll be out of the office until Monday, August 7th. I will return your message when I get back. Jeremy Osborn Program Director/Graphic & Web Design Center for Digitalimaging Arts at Boston University 781.209.1700 ext. 3012 ** The discussion l

Re: [WSG] text-shadow

look at IE css filters http://www.ssi-developer.net/css/visual-filters.shtml  On 8/2/06, Matthew Pennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 8/2/06, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does it meant we are close to using CSS3 soon?Not by a long shot, but there are some browsers (mostly Safari) thath

Re: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Also sprach Nick Cowie: The most recent/advanced browser for Mac OS9 is Mozilla 1.2.1 was the last offical stable release available from mozilla.orghttp://www.mozilla.org/releases/old- releases-1.1-1.4rc3.html The most recent /Mozilla/ for OS9 is 1.2.1, but one could argue that iCab is f

RE: [WSG] Support for IE5/Mac? (was Browser stats)

Hey I listen to WSG, but my job is a IT Tech/Maintence guy for a school, were we run 300+ Macs. The firmware issue is a problem with anything X really, the firmware of the machine needs to be updated otherwise the logic/video board can/will fail. It's a simple process, simply need a OS9 installat

Re: [WSG] text-shadow

On 8/2/06, Tee G. Peng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Does it meant we are close to using CSS3 soon? Not by a long shot, but there are some browsers (mostly Safari) that have implemented bits and pieces of it - they also support multiple background images, which will make everything so much easier

[WSG] text-shadow

Hi, I was browsing a site from Safari browser, when hover over navigation, it gives me a nice text-shadow effect. This is the first time I see such effect so I had a look on its CSS and the code shows: #nav li a:hover { * color : #fff; * text-shadow : #050 2px 2px; I tried checkin

Re: [WSG] Opera Bug? (Table-displayed, left-floated, min-width content)

Apologies for joining this discussion late, but my mail on this machine was set slightly differently, so my message was blocked. In short, this is a bug in Opera, where Shrink-to-fit containers do not expand to contain shrink-to-fit floats. It has been assigned to a developer and has an in