Hello Tee,
This might be the way to go. It's what I do and I think it's a pretty good
practice:
blockquote cite=url-of-source-if-applicable
p
This is the body of text quoted.
This is the body of text quoted.
cite-- Who said it/cite
/p
/blockquote
The cite
Try padding, John? Maybe that'll pump up the height.
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Subject: [WSG] Setting input heights in Safari
Does anyone know
Hello all,
Just wanted to let you know we did an Accessites reboot and our feed has
changed to http://accessites.org/site/feed/ (or
http://feeds.feedburner.com/accessites). All inbounds are 301 redirected so
nothing's lost or needs to be changed/updated, but the feeds are worth
mentioning.
Try setting zoom: 1; on them to avoid
mucking anything else up
Thanks Nick, I appreciate your help. That did the trick :-)
Mike
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On 22 Jan 2007, at 18:40:06, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
http://www.cryptomundo.com
Tom Livingston wrote:
h1 span {margin-left:-px;}
Or...
h1 span {
position : absolute;
top : -9000px;
left : -9000px;
}
...would do it.
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print and must be retained (thus not styled via CSS).
Example: i lang=laLorem ispum/i
That's my thinking on the matter. Hope it helps.
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be added by CSS. If you need
italicized text, you´ll be probally trying to add some emphasis or
differentiation in the page. Why should we hide this from our NON-VISUAL
friends?
Legitimate i , it´s the same of legitimate font. It´s the presentation
over meaning.
:D
Mike at Green-Beast.com
* it is different with scientific names but I'm
not sure.
Mike
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Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
Hello Andrew
Raphael Martins wrote:
For language purposes, there is always the lang attribute.
It can be added to a meaningless element, like span.
Absoluetly. I agree. This is also a WCAG requirement.
http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT-TECHS/#tech-identify-changes
But it´s always better
to use EM over
change of speaker.
-- The Elements of Style, Fourth Edition, Page 16, 4th Paragraph
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change of speaker.
-- The Elements of Style, Fourth Edition, Page 16, 4th Paragraph
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be with any other kind of
list (I didn't check).
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I myself have
I had written:
fieldset {
border : 0;
}
legend {
position : absolute ;
top : -9000px;
left : -9000px;
}
James wrote:
[...] doesn't seem to allow legends
to be positioned off screen [...]
Whoops, I did not know this. Sorry.
I've found legends very difficult to be styled cross
may need or benefit from it while still getting it
out of the way like the fieldset borders.
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Hello Rob,
You can always use the alt attribute instead of the label.
input type=text name=name id=name alt=name value=Enter your name
/
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Sent
The week is drawing to an end...many of you have had a week of
nightmare code and semantic nightmares...but never fear - have a
listen to this song and know that you are not alone...
http://www.esanity.co.uk/podcasts/HandsToBoag.mp3
Tonight I need your C-S-S, coding in the dark-ness...
Very
Paul wrote:
I'd like to suggest that you consider rejigging
your menu for faster response time.
You could have one image for each menu item,
each containing the normal and hover-state image
Preload the hover-state images by marking them
up on the page in a way that doesn't show
Those are
How about something like this [site]map system?
http://www.scottjehl.com/v7/index.php/process/stylemap_visual_sitemap
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Subject:
Hello Sharon,
I echo what Mel said, though I'd like to add that the label should probably
be the same as the name (and the ID, if needed, may as well match too).
label for=answerinput type=radio value=0 name=answer alt=make
your mark id=answer /Text/labelbr /
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Patrick wrote:
[...] the ID can't match the name, as the former needs to be unique [...]
Good point Patrick. Being it's a radio button you're right on.
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David wrote:
You mean the text used to label the control with should be the same as
the value of the name and id attributes?
Actually I
Nick wrote:
For other input fields, the name is needed if the form is going to be
submitted to the server, as otherwise there's no way to form a
name:value pair, and so the field can't be submitted.
Good to know. I've always used the name attribute on form inputs. Now I know
why ;-)
Mike
Thanks for sharing that. I've seen his videos before and count myself as a
fan. He does some great stuff.
Okay, I'm off to the smoking terrace now. ;-)
Mike
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.
HTH
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Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: [WSG] list-style: decimal
Hi, I try to use 'list-style: decimal' for the first time
You're welcome Tee. Glad I could help.
Mike
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On Oct 31, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
Hello Tee
: http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=132
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I just sent this to the GAWDS list before even realizing this was the topic
de jour here as well. (Forgive the cross post if that's what it is to you.)
Here's my take on Flash:
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creative elements and some wow-moments
Hello Marilyn,
In IE7 there are a few issues:
1) The whole top header and section under it need to move to the left about
20px.
2) There is a ~150px horizontal scrollbar (I'm using 1024x768)
3) The icons down on the sidebar are overlapping some of the associated text
down there.
4) Footer
If it's not, please reply with the referrer info so I can properly add it.
IE7 is done, but it's been updated since the betas. :-)
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, at 1:53 AM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
Hello all,
I updated my PHP Browser Sniffer script for Firefox 2.0 on Windows
and Mac.
Windows I have confirmed myself. Mac, though, I cannot and was
hoping one of
the Mac users on this list will confirm that your browser is shown.
http
really have
to turn into some argument does it?
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Mike at Green-Beast.com
Hello Pierre,
I'm certainly a fan of that technique. I've used it on a few sites. More
often than not, though, I simply provide a marker as a visual indicator when
styles aren't supported. Such can be seen on the last site I did [1] where I
mark the non-anchor with larr;
[1]
: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] PHP Browser Sniffer Test for Mac FF 2.0
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
For crying out loud, it's my experiments site where I fool around with
stuff. I'm not telling anyone to use this stuff...
Woah! Calm down, I wasn't attacking you or your
that was all nonsense, I
could use a list, give each LI the appropriate class for microformat use,
and have a nice day.
I'm relieved that's the case.
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: [WSG] Accessible Multi-Column List
At 10/26/2006 05:58 AM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
Not sure if this one's messed up on various platforms/browsers but I think
it's stable. It might yet another option for you. It's good and resizes
well
in everything *I've* tested it in (including IE7
, October 26, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Multi-Column List
At 10/26/2006 11:54 AM, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I did note it was left - right - down so it was
more or less just an option for if wanting a presentational list in that
format (not sure if it's
Lol, MIR is taken... I did not know.
Mike
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it out.
Write up: http://mikecherim.com/gbcms_xml/news_page.php?id=10#n10
Experiment: http://mikecherim.com/experiments/css_smart_corners.php
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John Faulds wrote:
It should be pointed out that this method has
problems when you resize the text (unless
you've since found a way to fix that Mike).
I did, John, as seen on the site I just used it on: http://myrnamunroe.org/.
Basically what I did is 1) allowed lots of room for growth and 2)
with images so the get
the whole thing.
Regarding employing the Apache mod_rewrite rule for SE, I honestly don't
*think* it makes much of a difference, but I suppose it can be convenient
for users to note the differences between posts just by looking at the URL.
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Rimantas Liubertas wrote:
However, the way you serve page determines
will document.write work or not. It does not
depend on XHTML version:
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2004/xhtml-faq#docwrite
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1091626816count=1
Thank you for the references.
Mike
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That said, for my clients, using .left, .right, .center will be more
intuitive.
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impossible too), but I attempted to cover the topic in a
decent way without going too far in either direction. I try to find middle
ground in everything, and to this subject, hopefully that's where I landed.
http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=117
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be akin
to shooting myself in the foot. ;o
Working with PHP made me start thinking more and applying the same logic to
CSS classes and IDs. Just to make things as clear as possible.
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for the first paragraph then you will need the p
class=first-line
#description p.first-line {
text-indent : 3em;
}
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Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
To be picky, the class name should then
be first-paragraph to accurately describe
what you're doingor simply first :)
Yeah, I was just going along with what was posted in the original email; but
changing the pseudo element to a class. I always try to
Paul Novitski
Isn't that rather like classing a paragraph red
or left or large? [...]
You guys all agree so there must be something to this and I'll bear this
mind. In the future may consider stopping the use of classes like red, but
I must say this is completely over my head.
If I
David Dixon wrote:
Patrick is correct however in the standards evangelist sense ;)
p.indent describes the action of the class (what in x months time, i
decided that i didnt want to indent it, but colour it blue instead).
On
the other hand, p.first describes the element itself
To everyone who responded to my question and need for logic thank you! What
you given me makes a lot of sense. Think from a maintenance perspective and
a matter of universal function. Very logical. I like that.
I've never used red (I've always opted for .error), but I have used .bold,
.italic
Mathew Patterson wrote:
I hope that long blurb helps,
It does, thanks :-)
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ground between solid usability and feature richness.
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problem at hand while still providing something meaningful to the booked
date for the person printing it out.
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to observe. For
starters, I would try removing your JavaScripts one at a time as that might
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importance. But that's no reason for me to cast my maturity aside and
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#maindiv {
font-size : 0.95em;
}
That should solve the problem you've described if I read it correctly.
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accessibility options.
My writing all users was/is a dangerous and impossible claim. I was too
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tee g.peng wrote:
[...] I think the WAI AA logo is the way to go. [...]
Hello tee,
Please know that passing automated validation using any of the online tools
does not mean that the site actually meets the level claimed. The reason is
that the validators have limitations and they do tell you
Firefox and SeaMonkey here seem
to be loading no stylesheet by default
Strange one... anyone else got this problem?
I've only seen it dressed Blair... looks good to me. Firefox 1.0.7
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striving for that) so I can't imagine there'd be
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to
avoid Divitis), and give up my crazy little experiment.
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Geoff Pack wrote:
What I don't really understand is the aversion to javascript (and the
desire to make everything a list. :)
Hello Geoff,
I don't have any problem with JavaScript. Though I like PHP better,
JavaScript is something I use on just about every site I make. It's
convenient and
is the experiment:
http://mikecherim.com/experiments/css_map_pop.php
If you like this and want to use it, go for it. The mark-up and CSS are
linked from the experiment page as text files.
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Thanks Susan,
Good eye! You did indeed find its number one failing: The unseen mystery
links with CSS on while images are off. I don't really know how to address
this and am open to suggestions. Goodness knows I've tried to come up with a
solution (aside from offering an accessible alternative
kvnmcwebn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi mike,
I dont have a useful suggestion for you just a comment/question.
I think the map is very handy and looks good to.
It would be difficult to create a lot more hotspots that
were close together(nearly on top of each other,) right?
anyway
nice work.
kevin
Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] I think David means these options...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/accessibility/ignorecolorsfonts.mspx
...and especially that the image-map is not visible if 'ignore colors'
is checked - which makes the map hard to understand and quite
Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] First of all, I like it - the only problem that I found was that
I couldn't mouse off the map and onto the 'popup' without the popup
disappearing (FF 1.5.0.4 on win XP) - which renders the 'click for more -'
redundant.
Or am I missing
Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Interesting. Did you consider developing a system that makes use of
the map element?
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Honestly I didn't even consider it. Not even that familiar with it. In fact
upon seeing your reply the first thing I did was read up on it briefly.
Geoff Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the problem with using an image map and javascript for this sort of
thing?
By using lists and hover states you've limited yourself to rectangular
hotspots, and haven't really gained anything as far as I can see. You've
also lost any ability to have
Sharron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] Pardon me while I choke! That is beautiful. I about fell out of
my chairthen discovered the actual map page! Sigh, to be so
talented is really a blessing you know.
I admire it greatly. You too of course.
Sharron [...]
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Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do wonder about things such as adequate link separation
[...] What do you mean? [...]
I noted character separation in the examples and wasn't sure how that'd pan
out in relation to a single image. Wondering if I'd have to hide those and
such.
and
Rachel May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] You may be interested... this is a very similar to a thing I did
probably a year ago now. It is a map to a tree park:
http://www.eastwoodhill.org.nz/walks/map.aspx [...]
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That's pretty nice, Rachel.
Good to know about the stats on
Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think its totally awesome. Some perhaps will try to go to the text on
popup as it says click for more with an arrow... which many (including
myself at first) think that you have to click there. [...]
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You're right about that need for
I would like to contribute this article to this discussion. Not everyone
will agree with my thinking, but it may offer some value.
http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=81
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Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I'm turning e-mail addresses to things like this:
a
href=mai#108;#116;#111;#58;#102;#111;#111;#64;#101;#120;#97;#109;#112;#108;#101;#46;#99;#111;#109;foo#160;(at)#160;exam#173;ple.com/a
and sometimes even mixing up with not only #xxx entities but
is considered harmful (just had to use that) then that really has to apply
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I do plan on releasing another version very soon with a even more security
features. It's done, I just haven't gotten around to updating the post. :-/
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.
http://accessites.org/gbcms_xml/news_page.php?id=15
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that was just a peachy idea. But it's not?
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to the grindstone, but if not, hmm, that could
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Hello group,
It appears my experimental solution may be partially viable, but not fully
reliable due to user agent spoofing. In other words, until more testing and
tweaking can be done, the script should NOT be used unless you fully
undertstand that your email may be exposed.
I just wanted to
Hi Mike,
I don't think you can do that automatically. You'd have to use:
ol
li value=10item 10/li
li value=9item 9/li
li value=8item 8/li
li value=7item 7/li
...
/ol
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...
Makes sense. Thank you Thierry.
Mike
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Thank you. It seems, unfortunately, I'm back to square one. Assigning values
as Thierry suggested did work, but the validator didn't like value being
applied to the list item element. :-(
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Mike Cherim
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From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sorry Mike, I knew the start attribute was deprecated, but didn't know
value was out too. What about using the DOM to loop through the list items
and plug a number in each one? http://www.tjkdesign.com/lab/ul.asp;
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No problem. Now we both know.
a pretty
dangerous [making assumptions] and I seriously doubt it is true. Instead of
assumptions, it's better to make allowances in my opinion.
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play that big of a role in the formation of
that question's answer..
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for some hints
, they need to bend to be able to
ride our the storm. [...]
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Well put, Joe.
Sincerely,
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I recall being annoyed at the time. :)
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