Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

Andrew Bowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In Iceland they append 'son' for sons and 'dottir' for daughters - > hence Magnus Magnusson is the son of Magnus, whilst Sally Magnusson > would, in Iceland at least, be Sally Magnusdottir. I used to work with an Icelandic chap who told me that the Rekj

Re: Perl Training Courses

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:18:05 +, celia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > David H. Adler wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote: > >> > >> / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :) > > > > But... why?? > > Why I delurked, or why you won't see m

Linux.com

Here's a bit of a laugh. Linux.com have contacted Manning and have asked if I'd be interested in hosting one of their Linux Live chat sessions around a subject from my book. They'd put an article by me (or a chapter from the book) up on the site a week in advance and then have a discussion of

Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: > >And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be free). > > You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. > Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please. Now with added pointy and clickyness. Later. Mark. -- print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(lengt

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: > > > >And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be > > >free). > > > > You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. > > Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb p

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

On 2001, Mar, 22, Thu, Cross, Dave wrote: > > Now with added pointy and clickyness. > > Now with added Ludditeness. > > Dave. Luddite n 1 : any opponent of technological progress [syn: {Luddite}] 2: one of the 19th century English workman who destroyed labor-saving machinery that they thought w

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:07:38 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2001, Mar, 22, Thu, Cross, Dave wrote: > > > > Now with added pointy and clickyness. > > > > Now with added Ludditeness. > > > > Dave. > > Luddite n 1 : any opponent of technological progress [syn: {Luddite}]

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: > > > > > >And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be > > > >free). > > > > > > You have a decent Perl debugger

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: > Oh, it's not me - it's the environment I'm currently working in. > > Dave... > [not a Luddite] > I can vouch for that REALLY bad environment!! Andy [Not a Luddite either]

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:45:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: > > > You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. > > > > Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please. > > Yeah. Now use that when you only have telnet access to your development > system :-/ Not even an ssh connection? > > Now with add

Re: Falco!

Hi, On Wednesday, March 21, 2001, 4:24:19 PM, Jonathan wrote: > Oopsy daisy > $job--; #not my fault! > If anyone wants to employ me please say so. Will wear suit for food. I do > management strategy marchitecture stuff. Or Perl if necessary. Or Solaris > sysadmin if desperate. > www.ideashub.c

Re: Linux.com

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:08:30AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: > Anyone have any experience of these events? I've done a couple, one for devshed.com and one for someone else. I forget. > Is it worth getting involved. It doesn't hurt, but it is a *leetle* bit of a waste of time. And boy, you get s

Re: Perl Training Courses

On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978 -- use POSIX;e(1);sub e{my($x,$o,$O)=@_;($x--+22)&&$

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

At 22 Mar 2001 09:02:31 +, Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: > > > > > > > >And how about: a decent Perl debugge

Re: Perl Training Courses

From: "Simon Cozens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 22 March 2001 10:33 Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses > On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote: > > You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. > > The most effective debugging tool is still car

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:09:19AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: > Not sure they can even spell 'ssh' here :) > > Let me explain the set-up. I have a PC running Win95. I access a number > of IBM AIX machines using putty. When I first joined, I asked about the > possibility of getting Exceed installed,

Re: Perl Training Courses

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: > >> / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :) > > > > But... why?? > > Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this list? The answer to > both is that I'll only post if I have something useful to contribute, and > seeing as I'

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:36:01AM +, Dean wrote: > Wait till Activestate get their IDE's out for Linux It's already out, I thought. Needs Perl and Python and all sorts of bits and pieces installed. -- People who love sausages, respect the law, and work with IT standards shouldn't watch an

Re: Perl Training Courses

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: > > The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with > > judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978 > > > Still my debugger of choice for most languages, my code is littered with > commented debug print statements. well .. yes ..

Re: Falco!

Umm. Sorry everyone for not checking who I'm sending mail to. Ian

Re: Perl Training Courses

From: "Robin Szemeti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 22 March 2001 12:03 Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: > > > > The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with > > > judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan,

Re: Perl Training Courses

>From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small projects... But what about those times where you are handed a folder f

Re: Perl Training Courses

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:55:49PM -, Hamlet D'Arcy wrote: > >From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me > that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great > when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small >

Re: Perl Training Courses

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:45:20PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: > > [1]slight simplifiction, but pretty much true, if there are any other SAP > people here :-) /me just manages to resist going on and on about SAP's debugger dj "eee, it was much better in the 80s"

Debian question ...

is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for dpkg et al don't say anything useful. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david The voices said it'

Re: Debian question ...

On or about Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell typed: >is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are >currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for >dpkg et al don't say anything useful. To make a loca

Re: Debian question ...

On or about Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:48:48PM +, Marcel Grunauer typed: >dpkg -l | grep '^ii' Will truncate long package names. Roger

Re: Debian question ...

on Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are > currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for > dpkg et al don't say anything useful. > > -- dpkg -l Useful pa

Re: Debian question ...

mallum and others wrote: > dpkg -l OK, so how did I manage to miss that? Answers on a postcard. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david The voices said it's a good day to clean my weapons.

Re: Debian question ...

David Cantrell writes >is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are >currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for >dpkg et al don't say anything useful. dpkg -l | grep '^ii' Marcel -- We are Perl. Your table will be assi

Re: Debian question ...

* at 22/03 14:29 + David Cantrell said: > mallum and others wrote: > > > dpkg -l > > OK, so how did I manage to miss that? Answers on a postcard. i suspect it's the well known phenomona of managing not to read the one line of the manual that was relevant. struan

That book

Title: That book What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago? The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at the February social meeting? Regards, Darren Clarke Neophyte [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: That book

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago? > > The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at > the February social meeting? It was "Perl and CGI for the World Wid

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

Simon Wilcox wrote: > Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination 02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY in US, DD-MM-YY in UK, possibly YY-MM-DD in Japan). Cheers, Philip -- Ph

RE: That book

Title: RE: That book >At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months ago? >> >> The one where the author emailed a reply which was passed around at >> the February social meeting? Dave Cr

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

Robin Houston wrote: > use POSIX 'strftime'; > print "The date is ", strftime("%m-%d-%y", localtime()), "\n"; Or, for those who want to type even less, strftime accepts a '%D' format specifier on at least some platforms, which does %m/%d/%y for you (which is probably used more widely than %m-

RE: That book

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:53:12 -, "Clarke, Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:38:48 -, "Clarke, Darren" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> What was that book that Dave criticised on Amazon about 2 months = > >> ago? > >> > >> The one where the author emailed a r

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

David H. Adler wrote: > And some of us have middle names/initials that they consider > significant... And then there are those who consider the case of their names (and the punctuation used) significant, and post style guides on their web site. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:56:16 +0100, Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robin Houston wrote: > > use POSIX 'strftime'; > > print "The date is ", strftime("%m-%d-%y", localtime()), "\n"; > > Or, for those who want to type even less, strftime accepts a '%D' > format specifier on at lea

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

Redvers Davies wrote: > and if you don't have a last name??? > > I have three friends who are surnameless... their credit > cards have a "." as a surname because the bank computers > couldn't handle a lack of surname. An example from the Perl world: Gurusamy Sarathy. His name is Sarathy, and Gu

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 05:51:40PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > Simon Wilcox wrote: > > Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. > > Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination > 02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY i

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

At 17:51 22/03/2001 +0100, Philip Newton wrote: >Simon Wilcox wrote: > > Or even better YY-MM-DD which avoids cross-pond confusion. > >Oh yeah? Which year, month, and day are represented by the combination >02-03-04? Depends on the side of the pond, and on which pond (MM-DD-YY in >US, DD-MM-YY in

RE: That book

Title: RE: That book Dave wrote: >Well, it's still on the Waterstones site atm, but I'd appreciate it if >you could lose it. >It's part of a kind of deal that we struck. She agreed to listen to my >suggestions if I stopped slagging her off in public :) >My current target is "Open Source Li

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:05:11PM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: > I'm guessing that the author of Date::MMDDYY went for dashes rather > than slashes because the string was going to be used in a filename. I never had a problem with it using dashes, just with everything else. > I emailed the author t

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

Robin Szemeti wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: > > > BTW - I've just had some fun trying to uncompress a .zip > > file on Linux! tar gzip and gunzip don't seem to want to > > know. Guess that makes me a luser! > > you need the unzip(1) Which, according to its home page at http://www.

RE: That book

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: > My current target is "Open Source Linux Web Programming" by > Christopher Jones and Crew Batchelor. You can see my review of _that_ > at . I've been > exchanging emails with one of the authors, who has already a

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:19:27PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > Robin Szemeti wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, you wrote: > > > > > BTW - I've just had some fun trying to uncompress a .zip > > > file on Linux! tar gzip and gunzip don't seem to want to > > > know. Guess that makes me a luser! >

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

Dominic Mitchell wrote: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:19:27PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > [unzip] > > > Which, according to its home page at > > http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html , is "the > > third most portable program in the world". > > Probably after kermit and "hello world".

Re: Matt's Scripts Projects

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:27:51PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > Dominic Mitchell wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:19:27PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > > [unzip] > > > > > Which, according to its home page at > > > http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html , is "the > > > third most po

Re: That book

Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: > bet he got his mate to write it :) I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right? Leon -- Leon Broca

Re: Perl Training Courses

Hamlet D'Arcy writes: > From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me > that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great > when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small > projects... > > But what about thos

Re: That book

On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: > Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: > > > bet he got his mate to write it :) > > I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the > author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable > publishers don't do t

Re: That book

At 18:25 22/03/2001, you wrote: >Robin Szemeti sent the following bits through the ether: > > > bet he got his mate to write it :) > >I noticed that. For a moment I thought it was a rigged review by the >author / his friend / the publisher. But we know that respectable >publishers don't do that ki

Re: Debian question ...

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell wrote: > is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are > currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for > dpkg et al don't say anything useful. dpkg -l -- "Life sucks, but it's better than the a

Re: Perl Training Courses

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:03:02PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: > But debugging tools can be very very good .. If anyone has used the Borland > Turbo Debugger for C / C++ you'll know what I mean . even the old DOS > version is just plain brilliant .. step around code, change registers, place > watc

Re: That book

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: > But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right? ^^ I don't understand. -- "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:07:52PM +0100, Philip Newton wrote: > If he [Sarathy] had a child, it would be called Sarathy Foo. Bit of a weird name for a kid, but I wouldn't put it past him. -- fga is frequently given answers... the best are "Date::Calc", "use a hash", and "yes, it's in CPAN" or

Re: That book

At 19:01 22/03/2001, you wrote: >On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:25:40PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: > > But we know that respectable publishers don't do that kind of thing, right? >^^ >I don't understand. I think you'll find in it the dictionary as the definitio

London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-19

This is the ninth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the Earth, UK, London, Perl Mongers mailing list. For the week starting 2001-03-19: Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. The next meeting is on Thursday 5th April: http://london.pm.org/ Cozens, Simon misparsed a phrase from

Re: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

Oi! stop testing your filters on the list /J\ On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Mail Delivery System wrote: > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to all of its recipients. The > following address(es) failed: > > [EMAI