Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-28 Thread Alex Page
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 09:53:09PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: > We will of course need to name them (though one of them should retain it's > given name, Niles) and work out some way to tell them all apart. I'd suggest another name from Frasier for the other. Frasier itself is a little obvious, and

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-27 Thread Lucy McWilliam
On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Neil Ford wrote: > On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 02:44:57PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:23:04PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: > > > It seems that we can appear a bit unwelcoming at times. People have turned > > > up, sat in the corner for a wh

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-27 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > We will of course need to name them (though one of them should retain it's > given name, Niles) and work out some way to tell them all apart. > well if you really want to tell them apart, perhaps you could use my blowtorch as suggested previously ;-)

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-27 Thread Neil Ford
On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 02:44:57PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:23:04PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: > > It seems that we can appear a bit unwelcoming at times. People have turned > > up, sat in the corner for a while and then left because no-one spoke to > > the

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-27 Thread Tom Hukins
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:00:30AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Tom Hukins wrote: > > The main surprise was that you didn't seem to go on about Buffy much. > > At least, not compared to my girlfriend who is obsessed. > > So you're going to bring her along next time, right? :) This might sound l

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-27 Thread Philip Newton
Tom Hukins wrote: > The main surprise was that you didn't seem to go on about Buffy much. > At least, not compared to my girlfriend who is obsessed. So you're going to bring her along next time, right? :) Cheers, Philip (who's never been to a regular london.pm meeting) -- Philip Newton <[EMAIL

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-26 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:23:04PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: > It seems that we can appear a bit unwelcoming at times. People have turned > up, sat in the corner for a while and then left because no-one spoke to > them. One thing you might do is carry markers and lay them out on each tab

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-26 Thread Tom Hukins
d become discomforting as others have already mentioned. I hope this doesn't go to anyone's head - I just wanted to mention that I feel cliqueiness isn't a serious issue. The main surprise was that you didn't seem to go on about Buffy much. At least, not compared to my girlfriend who is obsessed. Tom

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-25 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 06:22:45PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > David H. Adler wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:17:19AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > > > > > > > > dha: "Mind if we call you 'Dave' to keep it clear?" > > > > > > I had it in mind that the line is "...mind if we cal

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-25 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 10:18:30AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:17:19AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > > > > davorg: "Is your name not Dave?" > > > > > > pne: "No, it's Philip." > > > > > > evildave: "That's going to cause a littl

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-25 Thread Philip Newton
David H. Adler wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:17:19AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > > > > > > dha: "Mind if we call you 'Dave' to keep it clear?" > > > > I had it in mind that the line is "...mind if we call you Bruce > to avoid confusion." I may be thinking of a variant version,

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-25 Thread Philip Newton
Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:17:19AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > > davorg: "Is your name not Dave?" > > > > pne: "No, it's Philip." > > > > evildave: "That's going to cause a little confusion." > > > > dha: "Mind if we call you 'Dave' to keep it clear?"

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-24 Thread andrew
On Sun, Jun 24, 2001 at 12:04:18AM +0200, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:17:19AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > > I chose the name on purpose :) > > Not "Ploppy"? > > > davorg: "Is your name not Dave?" > > > > pne: "No, it's Philip." > > > > evildave: "That's go

RE: Cliqueiness

2001-06-24 Thread Lee Goddard
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Makepeace > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:33:06PM +0100, Lee Goddard wrote: > > --- > > Obligatory perl schmutter .sig: > > perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" > > perl -e "print chr 47+45*int rand 2 while 1" >

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-24 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 09:59:11AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:33:06PM +0100, Lee Goddard wrote: > > perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" > perl -e "print chr 47+45*int rand 2 while 1" > Cross platform! EBCDIC? MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jun 23, 2001 at 11:17:19AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > I chose the name on purpose :) Not "Ploppy"? > davorg: "Is your name not Dave?" > > pne: "No, it's Philip." > > evildave: "That's going to cause a little confusion." > > dha: "Mind if we call you 'Dave' to keep

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-23 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:33:06PM +0100, Lee Goddard wrote: > --- > Obligatory perl schmutter .sig: > perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" perl -e "print chr 47+45*int rand 2 while 1" Cross platform! Paul -- In total darkness, or in a very large room, very quietly

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-23 Thread Philip Newton
David H. Adler wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 01:53:42PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > I remember my second time in Penderel's Oak, after > > yapc::Europe::19100 consisted of a fair bit of "who's that > > chap over there" or "which one of you is Dave".) > > "That depends. Which Dave?" I cho

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 01:53:42PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > (From the POV of someone who hasn't met most of you before... I remember my > second time in Penderel's Oak, after yapc::Europe::19100 consisted of a fair > bit of "who's that chap over there" or "which one of you is Dave".) "That d

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Simon Wilcox
Cross David - dcross wrote: > > [I'm sure that's not a word - or if it is, it's spelt wrong] > > It was mentioned to me last night that some people have been less than > impressed when turning up for their first social meeting. > > It seems that we can appear a bit unwelcoming at times. People

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread AEF
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:37:21PM +0100, AEF wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Lee Goddard wrote: > > > > > Obligatory perl schmutter .sig: > > > perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" > > > > That's no good, even I can see w

RE: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Lee Goddard
> On or about Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 09:52:51AM -0400, Alex Page typed: > >On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:48:31PM +0100, Lee Goddard wrote: > >> Unix beary types should know to s/"/`/; > >Is that particularly hairy Unix types, ones who like honey, ones who > >steal picnic baskets or a typo? > > s/a/e/

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:41:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > Also how about some more structured ice breakers, perhaps a > > quick pub quiz were we split into random teams? > > I nominate Greg to run the pub quiz at the next social meet. Wh

RE: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread brianr
Lee Goddard writes: > > > > Obligatory perl schmutter .sig: > > > > perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" > > > > > > That's no good, even I can see what it does without running it... > > > > You mean: > > > > Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at -e l

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:41:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > Also how about some more structured ice breakers, perhaps a > quick pub quiz were we split into random teams? I nominate Greg to run the pub quiz at the next social meet. What with him being a gentleman of leisure and so having t

RE: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Lee Goddard
> > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Johnson > > Sent: 22 June 2001 15:43 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: Cliqueiness > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:37

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Steve Mynott
Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't think the seating arrangement in PO makes it easy to talk > to lots of people, even if you already know them. We always seem > to split up onto seperate tables where you can only really chat > properly to 4 or 5 people aorund you. yes this is

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 09:52:51AM -0400, Alex Page typed: >On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:48:31PM +0100, Lee Goddard wrote: >> Unix beary types should know to s/"/`/; >Is that particularly hairy Unix types, ones who like honey, ones who >steal picnic baskets or a typo? s/a/e/;

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Alex Page
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:48:31PM +0100, Lee Goddard wrote: > > > > perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" > > Can't find string terminator "'" anywhere before EOF at -e line 1. > Unix beary types should know to s/"/`/; Is that particularly hairy Unix types, ones who like hone

RE: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Lee Goddard
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Johnson > Sent: 22 June 2001 15:43 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Cliqueiness > > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:37:21PM +0100, AEF wrote: > > > >

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:37:21PM +0100, AEF typed: >On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Lee Goddard wrote: >> Obligatory perl schmutter .sig: >> perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" > That's no good, even I can see what it does without running it... Yeah, it prints out Can't find st

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 02:37:21PM +0100, AEF wrote: > > > On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Lee Goddard wrote: > > > Obligatory perl schmutter .sig: > > perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" > > That's no good, even I can see what it does without running it... You mean: Can't find strin

RE: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread AEF
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, Lee Goddard wrote: > Obligatory perl schmutter .sig: > perl -e "while (1){rand>0.5 ? print'\\' : print'/'}" That's no good, even I can see what it does without running it... Tony

RE: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Lee Goddard
> > > Also how about some more structured ice breakers, perhaps a > > > quick pub quiz were we split into random teams? > > > > Maybe we could even have an opening of the meeting, reading out > > > apologies and introducing new people. > > Some of us are shy retiring types, and this may actually

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Barbie
> > Also how about some more structured ice breakers, perhaps a > > quick pub quiz were we split into random teams? > > Maybe we could even have an opening of the meeting, reading out > > apologies and introducing new people. Some of us are shy retiring types, and this may actually put people of

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Struan Donald
* at 22/06 13:24 +0100 Cross David - dcross said: > From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:41 PM > > > * Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > > > So all I'm asking is that when you're at a meeting and you see a > > > new face that no-one see

RE: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Cross David - dcross
From: Greg McCarroll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 12:41 PM > * Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > So all I'm asking is that when you're at a meeting and you see a > > new face that no-one seems to be talking to, > > I don't think the seating arrangement

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Marcel Grunauer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Greg wrote: > > > I don't think the seating arrangement in PO makes it easy to talk > > to lots of people, even if you already know them. We always seem > > to split up onto seperate tables where you can only really chat > > properly to 4 or 5 people

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Marcel Grunauer
On Friday, June 22, 2001, at 01:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:41:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > A pub quiz is a good idea -- however, it needs to be about something > other than perl. Good point. >> Maybe we could even have an opening of the meeting, readi

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Philip Newton
Greg McCarroll wrote: > oh and how about everyone wears names badges! Good idea IMO :) (From the POV of someone who hasn't met most of you before... I remember my second time in Penderel's Oak, after yapc::Europe::19100 consisted of a fair bit of "who's that chap over there" or "which one of you

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread jduncan
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:41:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > * Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > So all I'm asking is that when you're at a meeting and you see a new face > > that no-one seems to be talking to, > > > > I don't think the seating arrangement in PO make

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > * Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > So all I'm asking is that when you're at a meeting and you see a new face > > that no-one seems to be talking to, > > > > I don't think the seating arrangement in PO makes it easy to talk >

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Richard Clamp
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:23:04PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: > So all I'm asking is that when you're at a meeting and you see a new face > that no-one seems to be talking to, please make an effort to bring them into > the conversation. Introduce them to some of the other members. Find out

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Marcel Grunauer
Greg wrote: > I don't think the seating arrangement in PO makes it easy to talk > to lots of people, even if you already know them. We always seem > to split up onto seperate tables where you can only really chat > properly to 4 or 5 people aorund you. Agreed (from afar). > Also how about some

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > So all I'm asking is that when you're at a meeting and you see a new face > that no-one seems to be talking to, > I don't think the seating arrangement in PO makes it easy to talk to lots of people, even if you already know them. We always

Re: Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Leo Lapworth
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 12:23:04PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: [% snip %] > And if there's anyone still listening who has left a social meeting early > because we've ignored you, I can only apologise whole-heartedly and ask you > to give us another chance at the next meeting on July 5th. T

Cliqueiness

2001-06-22 Thread Cross David - dcross
[I'm sure that's not a word - or if it is, it's spelt wrong] It was mentioned to me last night that some people have been less than impressed when turning up for their first social meeting. It seems that we can appear a bit unwelcoming at times. People have turned up, sat in the corner for a wh