On 15 Feb 2003 at 13:49, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> Jarkko's view is that with hindsight we'd've been better of doing Unicode
> internally in a fixed width representation (eg 8 bit, upgrade to UCS-2,
> upgrade to UCS-4), as all the length,offset,etc algorithms would stay O(1)
> The speed hit and extr
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:56:01PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:54:14PM +, Dirk Koopman wrote:
>
> > Methinks there is much smelly fish in Perl 5.8.0 UTF implementation and
>
> Well, UTF8 is a variable length encoding, so many O(1) things become O(N)
> I think tha
> From: Jonathan Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> But I think that's a shame, because a debugger really ought
> to be more
> fun than print statements. For all I know Activestate's
> Visual Debugger
> is great. In fact I think I'll try it out.
ptkdb is also probably also worth a look..
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 09:53:54AM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> >>Given the feedback on suggestions about perl debugger tutorials, I
> >>don't think many perl *users* use the debugger, so to me that explains why
> >>no-one in the world noticed it sooner. To most perl users, the debugge
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 12:45, Roger Horne wrote:
> > Methinks there is much smelly fish in Perl 5.8.0 UTF implementation and
> > also in RH8.0's internationalisation stuff / port of perl. A standard
> > 'cure' seems to be to rename /etc/sysconfig/i18n to something else (eg
> > i18n.orig) and then re
On Tue 11 Feb, Dirk Koopman wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 16:50, Roger Horne wrote:
> > ..
> > So I bought a fastish machine from Digital Networks last year and the time
> > was reduced to 5 minutes on RH 7.2.
> >
> > I then tried it on a reasonably fast netbook on which I had put RH8. After
>
On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 12:21 Europe/London, Jonathan Peterson
wrote:
Oh, agree that the fundamental things you do with a debugger are all
there. It's more a case of how you like to do them. I like hovering my
cursor over variables and seeing their current values in little
tooltips. I
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:49:23AM +, Dirk Koopman said:
> This is all a great mystery to me. Perhaps doing this for nigh on 30
> years has made me an old codger, but: why do you need some snazzy
> windowing pretty debugger?
When I was at college we learnt to program (as opposed to what I'd
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 12:21:42PM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> Oh, agree that the fundamental things you do with a debugger are all
> there. It's more a case of how you like to do them. I like hovering my
> cursor over variables and seeing their current values in little
> tooltips. I like
But I think that's a shame, because a debugger really ought to be more
fun than print statements. For all I know Activestate's Visual Debugger
is great. In fact I think I'll try it out.
This is all a great mystery to me. Perhaps doing this for nigh on 30
years has made me an old codger,
Rath
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 09:53, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> >> Given the feedback on suggestions about perl debugger tutorials, I
> >>don't think many perl *users* use the debugger, so to me that explains why
> >>no-one in the world noticed it sooner. To most perl users, the debugger is
> >>not
Tony Kennick wrote:
I have always been scared buy the debugger and use erm less
sophisticated methods of debugging, mostly using Data::Dumper.
I know how to use the debugger, but I almost never use it. Lately I've grown too
lazy even for Data::Dumper, so I've been looking into a shorthand alter
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> But I think that's a shame, because a debugger really ought to be more
> fun than print statements.
Try ptkdb if you want something a little more visual:
http://search.cpan.org/author/AEPAGE/Devel-ptkdb/ptkdb.pm
Screenshots (via google image sea
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:53:54 +
"Jonathan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The perl debugger is about as much fun as ed. Also, many people use perl
> wrapped up inside some web environment which makes it not conducive to
> debugging with the debugger.
I have always been scared buy
Given the feedback on suggestions about perl debugger tutorials, I
don't think many perl *users* use the debugger, so to me that explains why
no-one in the world noticed it sooner. To most perl users, the debugger is
not fundamental.
I'd use it if I knew how .
The perl debugger is about
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:56:01PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
> Given the feedback on suggestions about perl debugger tutorials, I
> don't think many perl *users* use the debugger, so to me that explains why
> no-one in the world noticed it sooner. To most perl users, the debugger is
> n
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:54:14PM +, Dirk Koopman wrote:
> Methinks there is much smelly fish in Perl 5.8.0 UTF implementation and
Well, UTF8 is a variable length encoding, so many O(1) things become O(N)
I think that's most of the smelly fish.
> also in RH8.0's internationalisation stuff /
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 17:54, Dirk Koopman wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 16:50, Roger Horne wrote:
> > On Tue 11 Feb, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> > > > Hrm, perl doesn't use UTF-8 for it's internal representation of
> > > > strings ?
> > >
> > > I may be misremembering things somewhat. The cloud
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 16:50, Roger Horne wrote:
> On Tue 11 Feb, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
>
> > > Hrm, perl doesn't use UTF-8 for it's internal representation of strings ?
> >
> > I may be misremembering things somewhat. The cloudy things I remember
> > are that the version of perl shipped with RH8
On Tue 11 Feb, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> > Hrm, perl doesn't use UTF-8 for it's internal representation of strings ?
>
> I may be misremembering things somewhat. The cloudy things I remember
> are that the version of perl shipped with RH8 uses a slightly geb0rken
> 16 bit implementation (who is th
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 14:13, CyberTiger wrote:
> On 10 Feb 2003, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 20:16, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 10:42:57AM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
> > > > I'm a little surprised by that. Although I must admit that I've never
> > > > w
On 10 Feb 2003, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 20:16, Paul Makepeace wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 10:42:57AM +, Andy Wardley wrote:
> > > I'm a little surprised by that. Although I must admit that I've never
> > > written IIS extensions in C++, I'm surprised that it offe
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