http://muckandbrass.com/web/display/~cemerick/2009/10/01/Java+is+dead%2C+but+you%27ll+learn+to+love+it
Hi breno!
Like embperl?
http://perl.apache.org/embperl/
Yes, exactly like this, plus the smoothing of some of the edges. Along
with the bundles you were talking about (CPAN-Standard, ...) this could
provide the fast way to setup an Apache-based environment where user can
just upload they're
Léon Brocard wrote:
Did anyone go to the London Perl Workshop this weekend?
About 200.
Including me. It was very well organised and had some great talks.
Has anyone go to London.pm technical meetings over the past year?
About 60 every two months.
There don't seem to be any arranged
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, James Laver wrote:
Perl may have taken a huge hit with the banks
going bust but it's still going (albeit somewhat wounded).
Even when bust, a banks datacenter looks liable to keep chugging along
- Original Message
From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html
Is there really no Ruby or Python on that list?
There weren't on the original list. Fixed.
Perl at least kicks the
- Original Message
according to the info on the site, perl skills offer higher rates than
most of the top 20 skills.
Consider economics. If it's true that their are fewer Perl programmers
(http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018) but we still need them to maintain
code, the
Guilty of starting a similar discussion thread in the past I feel
entitled to ask - what positive outcome would you expect from this
thread?
Cheers,
Zbigniew
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- Original Message
From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zbigniew Lukasiak wrote:
Guilty of starting a similar discussion thread in the past I feel
entitled to ask - what positive outcome would you expect from this
thread?
I imagine there'll be some faeces flinging about top posters.
Secondly I'm hoping that the extra processing of all this mail
Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
5.12 to perl 6.
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Zbigniew Lukasiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Guilty of starting a similar discussion thread in the past I feel
entitled to ask - what positive outcome would you expect from this
- Original Message
From: Zbigniew Lukasiak [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Guilty of starting a similar discussion thread in the past I feel
entitled to ask - what positive outcome would you expect from this
thread?
Well, I started this on my use.perl blog and not here, but since it was dragged
Paul Makepeace wrote:
Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
5.12 to perl 6.
Come on Paul, you're not thinking outside of the box enough on this.
Given that half[1] the modules on CPAN now have cutesy names, shouldn't
perl 5.12 now have a cutesy name too. I'll
On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 12:44:43 +0100, Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
5.12 to perl 6.
Cool!
--
Cosimo
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
5.12 to perl 6.
I find that idea strangely compelling... How about perlx (Or would
that be Perl::X)?
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:45:02AM +, David Dorward wrote:
Léon Brocard wrote:
Did anyone go to the London Perl Workshop this weekend?
About 200.
Including me. It was very well organised and had some great talks.
Aren't most Perl events (more than 20 worldwide in 2008, more than
10
2008/12/4 Philippe Bruhat (BooK) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:45:02AM +, David Dorward wrote:
Léon Brocard wrote:
Did anyone go to the London Perl Workshop this weekend?
About 200.
Aren't most Perl events (more than 20 worldwide in 2008, more than
10 already announced
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:33:13PM +0100, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:45:02AM +, David Dorward wrote:
Léon Brocard wrote:
Did anyone go to the London Perl Workshop this weekend?
About 200.
Including me. It was very well organised and had some great
On Thursday 04 December 2008 12:04:59 Ovid wrote:
- Original Message
Perl at least kicks the ass of the upstarts.
Until you look at a graph of relative job growth. For Ruby, Perl, PHP and
Python, they're all trending up. We're flat.
http://is.gd/abyq
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is something that I don't have the technical know-how to accomplish,
but a way of using Perl from within PHP, I'm guessing as a library
extension, would provide a strong deployment vector into a large and
talkative
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 4, 2008, at 13:33 , Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote:
How do we reach people outside the community after having spent so much
time talking to ourselves?
This is something that I don't have the technical know-how to
2008/12/4 Abigail [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Note that I also don't give much weight to the number of job openings
that mention Perl. I've had quite a number of jobs the past 10 years,
and I've used Perl a lot in all of them. But only in my current job
an advert would have mentioned Perl (although I
On 4/12/08 13:01, Abigail wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:33:13PM +0100, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:45:02AM +, David Dorward wrote:
Léon Brocard wrote:
Did anyone go to the London Perl Workshop this weekend?
About 200.
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 02:01:37PM +0100, Abigail wrote:
Aren't most Perl events (more than 20 worldwide in 2008, more than
10 already announced for 2009) only reaching people *within* the Perl
community?
That depends on what you define to be the Perl community. If you
consider it to
2008/12/4 Philippe Bruhat (BooK) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
And then there are the more public conferences, targeting a broad
audience of programmers, professionals and users.
Good point: I'm planning to give a brief talk on Perl at
https://barcamp.pbwiki.com/BarcampLiverpool this weekend. There are
2008/12/4 Avleen Vig [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
We could just ask people what the don't like about perl, or what
they'd like to see change / improve.
They'll probably rattle off a list of things which they like about
other languages which they don't like in perl, but that's not
necessarily a bad
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:40:41PM +, Avleen Vig wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Robin Berjon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 4, 2008, at 13:33 , Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote:
How do we reach people outside the community after having spent so much
time talking to ourselves?
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 07:01:20PM +, Avleen Vig wrote:
Ovid's right. We should be taking a long hard look at ourselves and
asking questions.
Are we evolving?
If not, why not?
If we wanted to, what could we change?
I do t think we really know what to change or how to change it.
OK,
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 07:01:33PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 06:42:14PM +, James Laver wrote:
going bust but it's still going (albeit somewhat wounded). On the other
hand, the PHP market is brilliant, just for the most part it pays pretty
badly (and you have
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Abigail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The moment Perl start to implement features of other language for the
purpose of attracting programmers away from other languages, I'll be
convinced Perl is dying. And I'll join a language/community that is convinced
of its own
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:06 PM, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think sometimes I'd rather work with code that is just plain bad
because it's written by self-taught PHP-heads, than code that is a
crawling horror because it's written by terribly clever C or perl
people.
This week I
On 4/12/08 15:03, Abigail wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:40:41PM +, Avleen Vig wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Robin Berjon[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 4, 2008, at 13:33 , Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote:
How do we reach people outside the
David Cantrell wrote:
And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another obscure
site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count.
perlbuzz's existence hasn't fixed any problems.
So fixing use.perl is what we need to do. That will only happen with
pudge's active
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Abigail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:40:41PM +, Avleen Vig wrote:
We could just ask people what the don't like about perl, or what
they'd like to see change / improve.
They'll probably rattle off a list of things which they like
- Original Message
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another obscure
site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count.
perlbuzz's existence hasn't fixed any problems.
You have to at least give Andy credit for
Simon Wilcox wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another obscure
site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count.
perlbuzz's existence hasn't fixed any problems.
So fixing use.perl is what we need to do. That will only happen
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:33:13PM +0100, Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote:
Aren't most Perl events (more than 20 worldwide in 2008, more than
10 already announced for 2009) only reaching people *within* the Perl
community?
Looking at who attends london.pm socials and tech meets, *plenty* of
them
- Original Message
From: Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So fixing use.perl is what we need to do. That will only happen with pudge's
active involvement.
Does anyone know if he's interested in doing this ?
I don't know, but use.perl has always been a testbed for new slashdot
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 15:20 +, Simon Wilcox wrote:
David Cantrell wrote:
And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another obscure
site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count.
perlbuzz's existence hasn't fixed any problems.
So fixing use.perl is what we
On 4 Dec 2008, at 15:03, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 07:01:20PM +, Avleen Vig wrote:
Ovid's right. We should be taking a long hard look at ourselves and
asking questions.
Are we evolving?
If not, why not?
If we wanted to, what could we change?
I do t think we really
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 07:40 -0800, Ovid wrote:
I can't say I know anything about slashcode, but [...] Maybe there's
some incredible plugin architecture which allows you to scrap most of
the current 1995-era functionality/look-and-feel without sacrificing
content?
If the content is all we care
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 03:14:13PM +, James Laver wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:06 PM, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think sometimes I'd rather work with code that is just plain bad
because it's written by self-taught PHP-heads, than code that is a
crawling horror because
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:44:43AM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
5.12 to perl 6.
Perl 5 and Perl 6 are different languages at this point.
Perl 5 12.0 solves that problem neatly ;)
2008/12/4 Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
David Cantrell wrote:
And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another obscure
site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count.
perlbuzz's existence hasn't fixed any problems.
So fixing use.perl is what we need to do.
On 4 Dec 2008, at 16:13, jesse wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:44:43AM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
5.12 to perl 6.
Perl 5 and Perl 6 are different languages at this point.
Not to people outside the Perl community.
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 04:19:31PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:13:55AM -0500, jesse wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:44:43AM +, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Renaming Perl 6 to something completely different, and renaming perl
5.12 to perl 6.
Perl
On 4 Dec 2008, at 16:28, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
2008/12/4 Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
David Cantrell wrote:
And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another
obscure
site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count.
perlbuzz's existence hasn't fixed any
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 01:59:00PM +0100, Robin Berjon wrote:
On Dec 4, 2008, at 13:33 , Philippe Bruhat (BooK) wrote:
How do we reach people outside the community after having spent so
much
time talking to ourselves?
This is something that I don't have the technical know-how to
accomplish,
2008/12/4 Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 4 Dec 2008, at 16:28, Jonathan Stowe wrote:
2008/12/4 Simon Wilcox [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
David Cantrell wrote:
And no, setting up yet another blog aggregator or yet another obscure
site that occasionally publishes an article, those don't count.
Hi Stefano!
Ok for Perl as a language, but the point gains sense if Perl is considered
as a technology. For example, I think PHP gained momentum for the
simplicity of the installing procedures of products based on it.
I think this simplicity of those installations derives from the fact that
2008/12/3 Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
Funny how a bunch of people who claim they used to do perl but
switched to python and now uber-programmers that chicks dig turn up
on use.perl after it appears on reddit and then proclaim that they
know all
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Michele Beltrame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this simplicity of those installations derives from the fact that
providers are easily able to build a php/mod_php which includes the most used
things (mail functions, database access, image processing) directly
Apparently Java is dead too:
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=python%2C+perl%2C+java%2C+phpl=relative=1
First pick the RIGHT metrics.
--
Dave HodgkinsonMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620
Blog:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:54:45PM +1300, Kent Fredric wrote:
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:45 PM, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:17:16PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
Apparently Java is dead too:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM, breno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Michele Beltrame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this simplicity of those installations derives from the fact that
providers are easily able to build a php/mod_php which includes the most used
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 08:06 +0100, Zbigniew Lukasiak wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM, breno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Michele Beltrame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this simplicity of those installations derives from the fact that
providers are
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Zbigniew Lukasiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:41 PM, breno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Michele Beltrame [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think this simplicity of those installations derives from the fact that
2008/12/5 Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There are plenty of people here who will remember Perl 5 Enterprise
Edition and what a great success it was at achieving almost the same
aims.
Good morning. This is your leader speaking. I'm calling this thread
dead - it has served no practical
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html
--
Dave HodgkinsonMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768
490620
Blog: http://davehodg.blogspot.com
On Wed 3.Dec'08 at 17:55:55 +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html
Is there really no Ruby or Python on that list?
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On 3 Dec 2008, at 18:13, Jesse Vincent wrote:
On Wed 3.Dec'08 at 17:55:55 +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html
Is there really no Ruby or Python on that list?
There weren't on the original list.
On 2008-12-03 18:13, Jesse Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed 3.Dec'08 at 17:55:55 +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html
Is there really no Ruby or Python on that list?
At risk of being
according to the info on the site, perl skills offer higher rates than
most of the top 20 skills.
--
Live in a world of your own, but always welcome visitors.
On Dec 3, 2008, at 18:37, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3 Dec 2008, at 18:13, Jesse Vincent wrote:
On Wed 3.Dec'08 at 17:55:55 +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html
Is there really no
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 06:42:14PM +, James Laver wrote:
going bust but it's still going (albeit somewhat wounded). On the other
hand, the PHP market is brilliant, just for the most part it pays pretty
badly (and you have to work with PHP...).
And, as conversations on IRC seem to be
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, James Laver wrote:
Most of the ruby jobs (usually
rails) are startups that will die a couple of months in or those gigs the
BBC can't seem to get rid of.
not that there are any spare ruby programmers to go round anyway. Although
hopefully this is changing soon with lots
2008/12/3 Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed 3.Dec'08 at 17:55:55 +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html
Is there really no Ruby or Python on that list?
There weren't on the original list. Fixed.
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 06:42:14PM +, James Laver typed:
At risk of being somewhat london-centric, how many jobs have you seen
advertised for python down here recently?
In the past year or so I've seen about 5 python jobs advertised (at least
that I've noticed). Alongside this there
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Steve Mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 06:42:14PM +, James Laver typed:
At risk of being somewhat london-centric, how many jobs have you seen
advertised for python down here recently?
In the past year or so I've seen about 5 python
On 2008-12-03 20:10, Avleen Vig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a singular datapoint, but to answer the how many python jobs..,
I would ask how many engineers has Google hired in London in the last
few years?
It's *one* job application with lots of hires, many of whom will have
to use python at
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 8:16 PM, James Laver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I like Python too and wish the same.
I like that is enforces structure. I'd donate a kidney if perl could
be made to do that.
It's not the place of a language to do that, it's a case of Don't be an
idiot when writing code.
On 3 Dec 2008, at 17:55, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
http://davehodg.blogspot.com/2008/12/perl-is-dead.html
SQL's not a programming language like the others are. It's a
minilanguage, like regular expressions or formats, so can be discounted.
The rest add
Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
In response to Ovid's post on use.perl:
Also see this lively discussion in Reddit.
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7h3pa/perl_5_is_dying/
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