Changing the area of the opening will effect the Helmholtz resonance.
If you sing a rising tone over the sound hole of your lute you will find
a
certain note that gets very much louder. (damp the strings)
i did it:
my old lute responsed at C my new one at D with damped strings.
w.
which actually many old lutenists did ...
They composed their works in staff and then set it to tabulature. Maybe
it's interesting again to read what Baron says about the tabulature
critisized by Mattheson ...
Thomas
Am Don, 2003-12-11 um 02.14 schrieb Michael Stitt:
With respect James, my
Dear Matanya,
Yes, I do seem to be contradicting myself, so perhaps I may
elaborate a little. I think a lot depends on how much experience one
has with any particular notation. For a complete beginner tablature
will be easier to read, because it by-passes the concept of pitch
and goes straight to
Stewart wrote:
[BIG SNIP]
As you know from previous messages, I believe lute players should be
familiar with both staff notation and tablature. The question is,
which
should a beginner learn first? That's the $64,000 question. :-)
Stewart, as usual you make some very good points. I agree
Dear lute list members,
during the recent discussion on facsimiles, copyright and so on
somebody mentioned that one normally has to sign a contract with
the library owning a original source, restricting what one
may do with the copy.
I wonder what kind of restrictions you have experienced.
I
Howard,
I would not content that any composer who writes in staff notation will be any greater
then a composer who writes in lute tablature. This criterion alone is nonsense. What
I would suggest is that a composer with skill and ability would be limited in scope in
expressing and exploring
Stefan,
as you dig up this old message and re-post it for all and sundry, I feel
compelled to clarify the following:
I did not personally post the piece in question, and had nothing to do with
it landing on the www. (I'm usually trying to be careful about what little I
post on the net, and that
Dear Göran,
I was completely aware of the fact, that you were not responsible for
the piece in question to appear on the internet.
The reason why I reposted Albert Reyerman's mail was that it gives an
example of a public library that believes it has control over the publishing
rights of sources
I dug up my calculations.
The lute I was studying has an internal volume of about 10.7 liters.
I modeled an 80mm rose diameter that was 30% to 75% open by the
pattern.chosen.
The openness of the rose would tune the Helmholtz resonance from 109
Hz -closed pattern to 139 Hz for an open pattern.
Surely the question of whether a composer is 'better' than another because of
the form of notation employed is to look at the question the wrong way round.
The point, it seems to me, is that notation adapts itself to suit what the
composer intends to write. The 17th century, put crudely, saw
At 11:08 AM 12/11/2003 +, Stewart McCoy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear Matanya,
Yes, I do seem to be contradicting myself, so perhaps I may
elaborate a little. I think a lot depends on how much experience one
has with any particular notation. For a complete beginner tablature
No argument
At 06:28 AM 12/11/2003 -0800, C Etter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you are wrong when you say that For the most part, not only they
[classical guitarists] cannot read tablature.
My experience as a classical guitarist is that nearly all of the other
classical guitarist whom I have ever
Did musicians of Dowland's time separate themselves the categories
serious/highbrow and popular which are widely used today?
No, he tossed it out openly, if it is true why should he be ashamed of the
circumstances.
Vance Wood.
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: State
Did musicians of Dowland's time separate themselves the categories
serious/highbrow and popular which are widely used today?
Not yet. Froberger was the first to separate himself so, some 30 years after
JD.
RT
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Roman M. Turovsky
http://turovsky.org
http://polyhymnion.org
Dear Herbert and All:
I think some musicians were derided as beer fiddlers in older times. In
the late medieval period, citole players were considered rustics,
although the instrument was formerly held in high enough esteem to be
featured frequently in religious iconography. Some of what we
Dear Ariel:
I AM NOT THE ONE WHO KEEPS ASKING ME THE QUESTIONS. I don't care if MT is a
Druid. However he used the term Jewish after the discussion where he used
the term Nazi. He tossed out the Jewish family ties as a defense to his
calling MO a Nazi, in much the same way a racist, in defense
Roman, I take your point, indeed I made it myself. But where does that get
us? Are you saying the no judgements about the quality of music are possible?
Cheers
Tom
I AM NOT THE ONE WHO KEEPS ASKING ME THE QUESTIONS. I don't care if MT is a
Druid. However he used the term Jewish after the discussion where he used
the term Nazi. He tossed out the Jewish family ties as a defense to his
calling MO a Nazi, in much the same way a racist, in defense of his
If judgements about the quality of a particular piece of music (its superiority or
inferiority to other pieces) were truly objective, it seems to me that we should be
able to find instances where a piece of music one does not like (subjective) is held
to be superior to a piece of music one does
Vance Wood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JEWISH IS A RACE, Judaism is a religion. I am dumb struck that you do not
understand that.
During the Holocaust The Jews were persecuted because of their race not
their religion.
That's pretty much how Goebbels put it. More objective observers
Dear Howard:
I've stood in quicksand before when I know I am right. Your analysis does
not make sense. However I am not the one that keeps throwing out the
misinformation. Why does the word race frighten you? Racism is an ugly
word. I have yet to here that kind of thing applied to Ethnicity.
Sorry Roman again you are wrong, Bonsai is not an ethnic group within a
group of trees, Bonsai is a method where by any tree from any back ground
can be grown as a bonsai. Bonsai means tree in a pot, loosely translated.
I have been growing bonsai for nearly fifty years and some of that as a
As far as the Third Riche was
concerned religion or philosophy had nothing to do with how The Jews were
dealt with.
So Nouveau Riche must be the Forth Reich...
RT
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Roman M. Turovsky
http://turovsky.org
http://polyhymnion.org
Vance wrote,
No, he tossed it out openly, if it is true why should he be ashamed of the
circumstances.
Michael wrote,
Vance, I have been watching you flop in the sand like a fish caught on
the hook, line, and sinker I threw you.
Your mind goes straight for the obvious doesn't it? I will
Michael, your physicist friend didn't understand the problem. As Bob
described it the amount of beer in the bottle during the experiment was
fixed. Only the size of the opening changed.
Michael Thames wrote:
I've just spoken to my physicist friend, and he explained it like this.
When you have a
Vance, Manyna wrote this,to Roman.
Somehow I suspect that you will be able to resist the urge=20
to attack me, once you get more of that second-hand whiff of wind... see =
you later, boychik.
Now here, is a MO sighting where he clearly insults gays, by =
calling Roman a boychik and I'll
Dear Doctor,
I will post the science on this when I get back next week as I'm Leaving
for San Francisco tomorrow. Hold that thought.
Michael Thames
Luthier
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
Site design by Natalina Calia-Thames
- Original Message -
From: Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, I see it is not a lute discussion list. Does anybody know some
other?
Jerzy
On Friday, Dec 12, 2003, at 03:33 Europe/Warsaw, Michael Thames wrote:
Vance,
You seem to be obsessed with this Nazi thing. I never mentioned
race, =
or Jews, or Germans etc. I actually
At 09:02 PM 12/11/2003 -0600, Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Vance, Manyna wrote this,to Roman.
Somehow I suspect that you will be able to resist the urge=20
to attack me, once you get more of that second-hand whiff of wind... see =
you later, boychik.
Actually, what I mean to say
Dear Doctor,
Actually I just looked this up in my book here, and I will explain it like
this.
One needs a fixed, solid air cavity with an opening. As one increases
the size of the opening it lowers the air space resonance, period!that is
science. Bob actually has it ass backwards!
I
So is _your_ ignorance of the Yiddish vernacular
I stand corrected, However, most people in this country don't speak
Yiddish. I think you threw us all a curveball.
Michael Thames
Luthier
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
Site design by Natalina Calia-Thames
- Original Message -
Vance, Manyna wrote this,to Roman.
Somehow I suspect that you will be able to resist the urge=20
to attack me, once you get more of that second-hand whiff of wind... see =
you later, boychik.
Manyna,
I almost went for your Yiddish account of it, until I re read it. In
the full
Howard,
I agree that Bach's music isn't better than Weiss' (although I don't know
Weiss yet, I'll be learning more of the lute soon). But the issue of the
form of notation shouldn't be either a plus or a minus to the music
composed. I could write pieces for a child's colored tinkle piano keyboard
Jim,
Good point as to the joint. Someone else asked why one would need a joint if
the neck were straight. There is a good answer to that if one has tried to
find a good section of wood at a certain size. I turn wood for goblets and
bowls, it is difficult to fine a long straight grain of a decent
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