Re: Possible tunings?

2004-04-05 Thread Matthias Wagner
Dear Gary, it is no problem to tune an instrument with 64 cm string length to g', especially if you choose a pitch of 415. A g' in 415 will be a nylon .44 having a tension of 36 Newton. This is o.k. for the first single string. In my experiance in stringing lutes for now over 20 years I can

Re: Theorbo???

2004-04-05 Thread Edward Martin
I recall meeting him in Toronto in 1978, and I believe he is still building lutes. I recall him having had a number of renaissance lutes on display. There is a person on this list who knows him - Bruno Cognyl-Fournier. This instrument in question appears something like a swan neck baroque

Re: Theorbo???

2004-04-05 Thread corun
Hi Ed, I recall meeting him in Toronto in 1978, and I believe he is still building lutes. I recall him having had a number of renaissance lutes on display. Do you know if his lutes are built in at least a period style. I ask this because I have an 8 course lute built in the 70s that is

Rumania and Harnoncourt

2004-04-05 Thread Manolo Laguillo
Dear listmembers, In two weeks I will be in Rumania, ten days travelling from Bucarest to Constanza. Does somebody in this list know if there is something lute-related in Rumania worth the visit ? I'm just finishing the book by N. Harnoncourt Musik als Klangrede (Music as speech in english,

Re: Rumania and Harnoncourt

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
In two weeks I will be in Rumania, ten days travelling from Bucarest to Constanza. Does somebody in this list know if there is something lute-related in Rumania worth the visit ? I would recommend the painted monasteries of the North-East (Bukovina), in particular the Voronet Monastery that has

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Joe Mayes
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:28:05 -0500 To: Arto Wikla [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll. But what really is your attitude to the music of J. Hendrix? I have a rather dim 25 year old memory of his music, but

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
But what really is your attitude to the music of J. Hendrix? I have a rather dim 25 year old memory of his music, but I could never figure out what was the big deal about him. Finally! something about which I can agree with RT!! I thought we only disagreed on MO, you thinking he was a swell

RE: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Stephen W. Gibson
All of the lamentable stuff Miles inflicted on us in those years is, of course, redeemed by earlier glories. One of those, which I recently purchased (4th mortgage on the house!), is the Live at the Plugged Nickel boxed set. It is live small ensemble jazz in its quintessence. Pure gold. Stephen

Theorbo on ebay

2004-04-05 Thread Garry Bryan
Greetings all! Didn't know if anyone was looking or if this is even any good, but here's the listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3716162191category=623 item=3716162191category=623 Have fun! Garry --

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Joe Mayes
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:31:12 -0500 To: Joe Mayes [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], James A Stimson [EMAIL PROTECTED], Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Non-lute composers poll. Ah..I see the misunderstanding.

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread doc rossi
JS Bach Satie Cage Cowell F Couperin

Re: Theorbo???

2004-04-05 Thread Howard Posner
[EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I might consider it as an instrument for a beginner to learn continuo if the price stays low. Beware the string length. Some swan-neck lutes have fingerboard lengths of more than 70 cm, which does not work well in G tuning unless the pitch is

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Herbert Ward
I am having a bit of trouble with the non-lute part of the poll. Does this mean, didn't compose for the lute? Yes, my wording was not good. I should have said Post renaissance composer, judged by his non-lute compositions. Please include Bach and others guilty of composing only

Re: Rumania and Harnoncourt

2004-04-05 Thread Mathias Rösel
Dear Manolo, in Germany, that collection of compositions by Harnoncourt was published, I think, as lately as 1985. Then, I was 21 and still tried to save money for my first baroque lute (got it ten years later). To me, it was the great time of research and discoveries when you could immediately

Final results of poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Herbert Ward
Among pop composers, Zappa did best. My impression is that other than an emphasis on the Baroque, and a slight emphasis on fretted instruments, we seem to be normal. 0.51 Bach XXX 0.48Beethoven X 0.16

Lute makes the comics page

2004-04-05 Thread Howard Posner
If your local paper doesn't have 9 Chickweed Lane try this link: http://members.comics.com/members/common/affiliateArchive.do?site=cccomic=c hickweed

RE: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Eugene Braig
Shady Grove is actually an Appalachian corruption/reworking of a very old English ballad (I know there are long Scottish versions too) called Matty Groves. The tune is usually fairly well preserved, but the lyrics in the original involve a lord leaving the manor, the lady seeking consolation

cancionero de palacio

2004-04-05 Thread Stewart McCoy
Dear Wolfgang, It doesn't look as if anyone has come up with this song yet, so here it is. Encina's Señora de hermosura is No. 81 in the Palace Songbook. It fits so well on a lute, that you might be forgiven for thinking that he composed the piece with a lute (or vihuela) on his lap. Remember to

no subject

2004-04-05 Thread Joe Mayes

Final results of poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Herbert Ward
Excuse me if you get this twice. Among pop composers, Zappa did best. My impression is that other than an emphasis on the Baroque, and a slight emphasis on fretted instruments, we seem to be normal. 0.51 Bach XXX 0.48Beethoven

Re: Final results of poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Mathias Rösel
Stravinski or Stravinsky, that is the question ;) Herbert Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: 0.04 Stravinsky XXX 0.04 Sibelius XXX 0.04Satie XXX 0.04 Regondi XXX 0.04Ravel XXX 0.04 Moussorsky XXX 0.04

LSA Lute Festival 2004: added event!

2004-04-05 Thread KennethBeLute
For anyone planning to arrive early in Clevland, I have just scheduled in a pre-festival concert event for June 26th evening. The church venue is surrounded by any number of fine Italian restaurants for after the concert. Below is the special invitation from the co-director of the new

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Is this a modern phenomenon? Yes. Is it a phenomenon at all? Yes. Pop (unlike classical) is usually based on collective effort. Is it special to pop/rock music? Yes. What are its causes? Who cares? A classical personality (i.e. an individual composer) cannot break up with himself. RT

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
So when Bach specified lute in the St. John Passion, he meant... A number of possibilities. Could one of these possibilities have been...say...lute? Possibly. Could have been a mandora, or an archlute. Paduan type instruments were still made in Germany as late as 1760's (like Böck in Poznan)

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Though my family has lived in The USA for many generations my European roots are Welsh. I'm glad you didn't pot your roots. RT Arto wrote... The Americans and Englishmen, Schotts, Welshsmen, Australians and Canadians usually never write so that I need dictionaries. [Ron Fletcher] We

Re: Theorbo???

2004-04-05 Thread MWWilson
Craig, This link might give you some info. http://www.civilization.ca/arts/opus/opus420e.html Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:48 AM Subject: Theorbo??? Greetings all, Is anyone familiar with the works of

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread bill
correct me if i'm wrong: you're inviting us to speculate on whether there is something in the nature of modern, pop/rock music which causes a greater degree of acrimonious, unstable and litigious behavior in the people that perform it than those who perform in the quiet and refined world of

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Joe Mayes
Roman Sorry to have been so criptic. What I should have said is: I find your postings always interesting and often thought provoking, Though I do not often agree with a specific point - indeed many specific points - I find what you have to say valuable. Atro to the contrary not

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Sorry to have been so criptic. What I should have said is: I find your postings always interesting and often thought provoking, Though I do not often agree with a specific point - indeed many specific points - I find what you have to say valuable. Atro to the contrary not withstanding, I

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread David Rastall
On Tuesday, April 6, 2004, at 06:59 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Is this a modern phenomenon? Yes. It absolutely is not. There are plenty of stories about the classical masters. Mozart was a prize wise-ass; Beethoven had his moments of driving away his friends and supporters; Handel once

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Howard Posner
bill at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: vivaldi's temper tantrums ??

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
There have been plenty of acrimonious breakups in the classical world, indeed in the early music world, some of them involving big-name lute players. Art is a passionate business, which magnifies differences of opinion, and egos can be large, which also magnifies differences. Enormous

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
There have been plenty of acrimonious breakups in the classical world, indeed in the early music world, some of them involving big-name lute players. Art is a passionate business, which magnifies differences of opinion, and egos can be large, which also magnifies differences. Enormous

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Also: composers habitually change the lyrics to suit the music, but no lyricist ever dares to tamper with the music. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:17:09 -0400 To: Howard Posner

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Vance Wood
Another good one, a shot across the bow from Roman. It is probably a good idea that you did not root your pot either. Vance Wood. - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:11

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Another good one, a shot across the bow from Roman. It is probably a good idea that you did not root your pot either. Vance Wood. I think bonsai-potting Welsh roots might produce a Pict. RT Though my family has lived in The USA for many generations my European roots are Welsh. I'm

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Vance Wood
Are we sure that this is not just a quest for some to find historical evidence to support their tendency to be as nasty to everyone as is possible? Also I have read that one of the Gaultiers was involved in a murder. It seems that the brothers were a wild bunch. Vance Wood. - Original

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Vance Wood
Roman: I'm not sure if you are just making jokes or you seriously think I am ashamed of my involvement with the Art of bonsai and will flee in terror every time you bring it up. Not so. The bonsai tradition goes back to at least 2500 BC and you can be sure people were putting trees in pots long

Re: Non-lute composers poll.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
I'm not sure if you are just making jokes or you seriously think I am ashamed of my involvement with the Art of bonsai and will flee in terror every time you bring it up. Not so. The bonsai tradition goes back to at least 2500 BC and you can be sure people were putting trees in pots long

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Still, what I'm talking about is not the economics of music, but a simple idea that a piece of good music is invariably a ONE MAN endeavor, with or without a librettist, and this extends to non-classical world too. However this Singularity is extremely rare. Too many cooks result in flimsy

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Meant to say: Still, what I'm talking about is not the economics of music, but a simple idea that a piece of good music is invariably a ONE MAN endeavor, with or without a librettist, and this extends to non-classical world too. However this Singularity is extremely rare in the latter. Too

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Meant to say: Still, what I'm talking about is not the economics of music, but a simple idea that a piece of good music is invariably a ONE MAN endeavor, with or without a librettist, and this extends to non-classical world too. However this Singularity is extremely rare in the latter. Too

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Is this a modern phenomenon? Yes. It absolutely is not. There are plenty of stories about the classical masters. Mozart was a prize wise-ass; Beethoven had his moments of driving away his friends and supporters; Handel once threatened to throw a soprano through a window (one account

Re: Acrimony in pop music.

2004-04-05 Thread Howard Posner
Roman Turovsky at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Handel could send his librettist packin', and write for oboe instead. I don't think Elton could ever write for oboe. It's not so hard to write for oboe. Handel might indeed have sent his librettist packing when he was an impresario in London. He