> I have if on good authority that the Labyrinth sales in
> Germany have already exceeded 30.
> RT
There is an incredible amount of advertising of this CD here in Italy too.
Every morning after the radio news there is an extract of Come again sang by
Sting with the advise of buying the CD "in
Caro Francesco,
Sad as it may be for some, different market laws determine success of a
certain product, and its quality has little to do with that.
Regarding the cd itself, I must say that I find your characterization of "a
piece of junk" a bit too extreme, if not a bit offensive.
Edin is an s
>>> We must be very careful! There exist an Angelique in Paris (E.
>>> 980.2.317, see the new catalogue p. 94) with a neck (not a swan
>>> neck,
>>> but also not a true theorbo neck - it's something between) who is
>>> known from French iconographic sources from 1660-80.
> > Do you mean to say t
On Monday 09 October 2006 11:03, you wrote:
> > I have if on good authority that the Labyrinth sales in
> > Germany have already exceeded 30.
> > RT
>
> There is an incredible amount of advertising of this CD here in Italy too.
> Every morning after the radio news there is an extract of Come ag
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> Edin is an specialized lutenist (one of the best around, I should add), and
>
> Sting knows about Dowland (and about singing) as much as many so called
> professional singers.
>
These are all v
>> Edin is an specialized lutenist (one of the best around, I should add),
>> and
>>
>> Sting knows about Dowland (and about singing) as much as many so called
>> professional singers.
>>
>
> These are all very vague terms, what is a specialized lutenist and when
> you
> say sting knows about Dow
one of the first posters i ever bought was a copy of
the "mona lisa" and i learned a lot from it - much
more than i was able to i learn from the original when
it was brought to new york in 1960-something and i was
whisked past it briefly, along with thousands of
others in line. i learned about "sfu
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> become
> something less than beautiful?
when divisions are played like the Can she excuse divisions on the sting CD.
Sounds like they were played with a knife and fork and the speed varying with
Just a question about how far the "hip" people go: Does anyone play Dowland
using Thumb-out technique (as he seems to have favored) or with unison
stringing on their lutes (as he seems to have favored) Or with double
chanterelles (as was apparently the fashion re. "The Schoole of Musicke")?
Josep
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> Just a question about how far the "hip" people go: Does anyone play Dowland
> using Thumb-out technique (as he seems to have favored) or with unison
> stringing on their lutes (as he seems to have f
I thinkif my memory serves me correctly- that
later in life - Dowland did play thumb out. But how
about Paul O'dette playing theorbo and baroque lute
thumb under?(this is based on second hand sightings)
although I did see him years back play theorbo thumb
under. You know, after listening to the
On Oct 9, 2006, at 5:03 AM, Francesco Tribioli wrote:
> This is an interesting phenomenon: actually the quality of the music
> and the quality of the performance are absolutely unimportant. No
> one knows
> who is Dowland, no one knows what a good performance of this music
> is but
> th
Richard,
One source is:
Jorgens, Lise Bickford, ed. _English Song 1600-1675_. Vol. 1, British Library
Manuscripts, Part I. London & New York, 1986.
This should be available to you by Interlibrary Loan if it's not otherwise
nearby.
Good luck,
Eric Hansen
--- On Sun 10/08, Richard Brook < [E
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> The HIP purists
Are you talking about sting here - the man with "the normal" voice or maybe
Edin who says they ONLY uses instruments based on historical models. It seems
very important fro them
On Oct 9, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Joseph Mayes wrote:
> Just a question about how far the "hip" people go: Does anyone play
> Dowland
> using Thumb-out technique (as he seems to have favored) or with unison
> stringing on their lutes (as he seems to have favored) Or with double
> chanterelles (as was
> the modern world. Otherwise, what is the point of the
> 20th-century lute revival? Simply to amass information for
Passing over your easy irony and attacks to the HIP police 8^), in my
opinion, the point is to play music in a way that is the closest possible to
the way it might have sounded,
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> I'm not sure if that's HIP
> or just self-indulgence. A little of both, I guess
For all the poking fun at sting & co I think all this HIP paranoia is even
more amusing.
Nobody here (apart from
--- "Mathias Rösel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> You mean, where are they being kept?
No.
> To think, however, that
> the angelique must
> have been developed, rather than invented, is an
> unnessecary premise,
> IMHO.
It is extremely rare to find instruments that are
simply invented, especi
Joe,
As someone else pointed out, Nigel does both of the
first two. I don't know about a true first course,
but he did actually record with a NINE-course lute, as
Dowland called for. I think it _may_ have had a
double chanterelle.
But he has no qualms using nylgut.
Chris
--- Joseph May
On Oct 9, 2006, at 9:18 AM, David Rastall wrote:
>
>
> I'll tell you another interesting phenomenon. The HIP purists in the
> early-music community, who set themselves above the commercial
> mainstream believing in effect that only others from their particular
> world are competent to critique w
Doesn't anyone recall that real HIP playing led to the evolution and demise
of the lute in it's own time? That the paying audience might have had some
influence over this choice rather than the scholars?
Lou Aull
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On Oct 9, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote
> Could you please provide some specific examples? I recall reading
> such discussions back when the term was "authentic music" and people
> really went overboard, but I haven't seen these types of quotes more
> recently from HIP writers in magazin
On Oct 9, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Louis Aull wrote:
> Doesn't anyone recall that real HIP playing led to the evolution
> and demise
> of the lute in it's own time? That the paying audience might have
> had some
> influence over this choice rather than the scholars?
Yes, the scholars come along muc
On Monday 09 October 2006 9:28 am, you wrote:
> The point is that he is bringing to a wide audience music that in
> my opinion sounds bad because it's badly performed, with some sort
> of hybrid instruments and hybrid technique and poor vocal
> technique. As he has access to a lot more people than
On Monday, Oct 9, 2006, at 09:14 America/Los_Angeles, Louis Aull wrote:
> Doesn't anyone recall that real HIP playing led to the evolution and
> demise
> of the lute in it's own time?
And produced the music of Francesco Canova, John Dowland, and Silvius
Leopold Weiss.
To get on or off this
On Oct 9, 2006, at 5:47 AM, ariel abramovich wrote:
>
> Edin is an specialized lutenist (one of the best around, I should
> add), ...
>
Ariel: I wish Edin, the CD and any spill off into the lute
community at large great financial and artistic success. But I have
to say that your comment r
List:
Early music, or any music, is not a dead deposit. It has a past, a present,
and a future, all of which may reside in the same work(s), whether played by
Dowland, , Segovia, Bream, O'Dette, or Sting. And within each if these
spheres of influence there is contestation and debate over how wel
Hi Daniel,
>
>>
>> Edin is an specialized lutenist (one of the best around, I should add),
>> ...
>>
> Ariel: I wish Edin, the CD and any spill off into the lute community at
> large great financial and artistic success. But I have to say that your
> comment really gets under my skin. Do y
On Oct 9, 2006, at 10:28 AM, Francesco Tribioli wrote:
> ...To sing out of tune or out of tempo is wrong, HIP or
> not HIP.
To play outside an accepted temperament is wrong?, or to use "notes
inegal" at your own personal discretion is wrong? Maybe, maybe not.
> The point is that he is bringin
>>
>> Art is art and artists shouldn't be ranked like world tennis players.
>> Nevertheless I don't think it is too unreasonable to at least
>> think in
>> terms of broad bands of technical and artistic ability. No need to
>> quibble about specifics, but there is definitely an "A" list that
>> i
Actually, Daniel, what I would like to hear about is the McFarlane workshop,
which I very much wanted to attend but couldn't get away for.
Robert Margo
On 10/9/06, Daniel Shoskes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Art is art and artists shouldn't be ranked like world tennis players.
> >> Nev
Robert Margo wrote:
> Actually, Daniel, what I would like to hear about is the McFarlane
> workshop,
> which I very much wanted to attend but couldn't get away for.
That's too bad. You missed Ronn and Mick Jagger doing Ferrabosco.
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Think yourselves lucky, folks - tonight on French TV they had a whole show
of variety stars singing opera classics. I just couldn't find the on
button
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On Oct 9, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Howard Posner wrote:
> That's too bad. You missed Ronn and Mick Jagger doing Ferrabosco.
Uh, which Ronn Wood that be...???
Hah! Sir Mick, accompanied on period instruments by master Ronnie
and master Keith, wth master Charles beating out the tactus. But,
wait a
David,
Not mention Jethro Tull doing the BWV 996 Bouree' on flute.
Now, that's interpretation!
Rob Dorsey
http://RobDorsey.com
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From: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 5:45 PM
To: Howard Posner
Cc: Lute Net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The
This morning, my secretary said, "I saw a preview to a show... the CBS
Sunday morning show, to be broadcast this coming Sunday at 8:00 a.m.
(Central time); they will have Sting, with another guy, playing
instruments that look something like yours".
Stay tuned...
ed
Edward Martin
2817
Hello Stephen,
>
> I'm not certain what you meant by that last statement. If
> you mean that no curiosity will be generated because of the
> 'bad sound/music', or maybe you meant that less curiosity
> will be generated than if the sound/music was 'good': I will
> politely disagree.
What I w
There once was a lute email list
No rancor or bile ever missed
The offending thing
Came from one named Sting
Thus all of the listers got pissed
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From: Louis Aull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:15 AM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE]
The Ronn McFarlane lute weekend has ended, and I believe it was a
great success for everyone who attended. We had a very eclectic mix
from amateurs to professionals, beginners to advanced, lutenists to
singers. Ronn gave a house concert Saturday night of Dowland and
McFarlane (at least in t
Does anyone have a version of Lanier's Loves Constancy with a
realized lute part or at least the figures written in? I only have
the bass line and my feeble continuo skills are not up to the task.
Thanks.
DS
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Dear all,
To cool down from all this Sting related discussion I invite you all
to visit our completely renewed lute-song website. I would like to
know your opinion about the music (we have almost all tracks from our
recording available online for you to listen) and the website itself.
I al
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From: Rob Dorsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, October 9, 2006 5:51 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: The last word goes to Sting
> David,
>
> Not mention Jethro Tull doing the BWV 996 Bouree' on flute.
>
> Now, that's interpretation!
Jethro Tull, of course, is a rock band
Fellow lutenetters and potential gambling buddies
I think we should start a lute cd "pool" to
see which lute cd has sold the most copies in the last
6 months..how's about 5 bucks a pop?
---anybody live in Nevada - I think we can run it from
there.odds anyone? (I'd love to win
Exatly in that billing order:
I have just come home from the Karamazov/Sting gig here in NYC, and it was
EXCELLENT. Karamazov on 3 DOUBLESTRUNG archlutes and an 8course, and Sting
on a singlestrung archlute.
Dowland, RJohnson in the first half (including the Rossignol duo), Sting and
(Miss.delta
These are the numbers for yahoo search results for
Dowland +__
194,000 for "dowland" Sting
16,500 for "dowland" o'dette
13,700 for "dowland" bream
10,500 for "dowland" deller (had to include this)
1,560 for "dowland" Hopkinson
These are the numbers for yahoo search results for
lute+__
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