[LUTE] Re: Double Meantone ... 'not in his practice'

2007-11-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Not quite Lord Copper: the whole point is that he doesn't actually 'do it in practice' as you put it. He ignores (or is ignorant of) the different dispositions of diatonic and chromatic semitones on each of the strings and thus, indeed, doesn't 'do it in practice'. MH howard posner

[LUTE] Re: Double Meantone ...

2007-11-13 Thread howard posner
On Nov 12, 2007, at 12:41 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: There are levels of Prominence, and it is not necessarily achieved by merit, as we all know. The question was about evidence of tastini. My point is that Galilei's remarks indicate that tastini usage had a prominence that he

[LUTE] Re: Double Meantone ... 'not in his practice'

2007-11-13 Thread Daniel Winheld
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But in practice, there is. - Yogi Berra Sorry all, couldn't resist. Not quite Lord Copper: the whole point is that he doesn't actually 'do it in practice' as you put it. He ignores (or is ignorant of) the different

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread G. Crona
The soloist is Luca Pianca, of Il Giardino Armonico fame. He usually plays single strung, like many of his peers. - Original Message - From: howard posner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bruno Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:37 AM

[LUTE] Re: Meantone fretting with straight frets

2007-11-13 Thread David Tayler
I know I'm going to hate myself for saying this, but isn't the G on the fourth course +7 not minus 7, semi ideally? I feel a surreal sense that I have somehow misplaced G. Also, how do you manage the octave A being out by 7 centimes? Not criticizing, just intrigued. Thanks for the figures. I

[LUTE] Re: Spinacino

2007-11-13 Thread wolfgang wiehe
what a wonderful video and what a wonderful CD-label. w. http://www.elucevanlestelle.com/musicstore/website/it/index.php?section_name=music_store_item_listarticle_category=CD Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:40:06 +0100 Von: G. Crona [EMAIL

[LUTE] Re: Meantone fretting with straight frets

2007-11-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure your theory is better. When you talked about modulation I assumed you meant a change of key, or tonal centre, within one piece. Starting in a-minor, after five bars you find yourself playing in C-major, cadenses and all. If you'd agree that an

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread Mathias Rösel
Notwithstanding the tuning, how about a wandervogel. Mr Pianca holds and plays it like other players treat their guitars.--Okay, just kidding 8) Mathias Edward Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: No, it is a single-strung archlute. Interestingly enough, the ensemble (and the archlutenist) are

[LUTE] Re: Meantone fretting with straight frets

2007-11-13 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Your table demonstrate some of the real practical problems I highlighted, but the straight fret issue is but one of them. What you are also overlooking is what happens when, to take just one very simple early example in your table below, your first course is fretted at the first fret

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread vance wood
Not meaning to be confrontational, but does anyone know of an historical example of a single strung Archlute? My impression is that this is nothing more than a Guitar like instrument with a lot of extra base strings shaped like a Lute. - Original Message - From: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ang%C3%A9lique_%28instrument%29 RT From: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not meaning to be confrontational, but does anyone know of an historical example of a single strung Archlute? My impression is that this is nothing more than a Guitar like instrument with a lot

[LUTE] vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread Nigel Solomon
Everything about it screams guitar to me: the sound, the nails, the general approach. Yes, a guitar that looks a bit like a lute! Nigel To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread vance wood
Thanks for sharing that link Roman, it's nice to be informed about something I did not know existed. - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re:

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
'Tis my pleasure to serve. RT Thanks for sharing that link Roman, it's nice to be informed about something I did not know existed. - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November

[LUTE] Renaissance consonance and dissonance

2007-11-13 Thread Omer katzir
Can some one help me find some information about them in the use of the renissance counterpoint (2 voices for now is good for me) I totally forgot it and can't find my books :( Thanks you all :-) To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] [LUTE]Indigo Road scores from Mignarda Editions

2007-11-13 Thread Ron Andrico
To all: Please forgive this diversion from such illuminating threads but we would like to announce a very special new release. Mignarda Editions is delighted to announce the release of lute tablature scores for Ronn McFarlane's Indigo Road, offering lutenists a chance to both hear and play

[LUTE] Re: vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread howard posner
On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Nigel Solomon wrote: Everything about it screams guitar to me: the sound, the nails, the general approach. Yes, a guitar that looks a bit like a lute! To me, everything about it screams liuto attiorbato, like a good many historical instruments in museums with

[LUTE] Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread Nigel Solomon
Everything about it screams guitar to me: the sound, the nails, the general approach. Yes, a guitar that looks a bit like a lute! To me, everything about it screams liuto attiorbato, like a good many historical instruments in museums with fingerboard lengths under 60 cm and

[LUTE] Re: vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread Daniel Winheld
On Nov 13, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Nigel Solomon wrote: Everything about it screams guitar to me: the sound, the nails, the general approach. Yes, a guitar that looks a bit like a lute! To me, everything about it screams liuto attiorbato, like a good many historical instruments in museums with

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread Nigel Solomon
Roman Turovsky wrote: Are any single strung? All of the existing liuto attiorbato, to my You might have missed http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ang%C3%A9lique_%28instrument%29 knowledge at least, are double strung on the fingerboard and most are double strung on the diapasons as well. I'm

[LUTE] Re: vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread David Rastall
To me, everything about it screams liuto attiorbato, like a good many historical instruments in museums with fingerboard lengths under 60 cm and extension strings of 75-85 cm, played with nails the way historical Italian players would likely have played it. If we're still talking about

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance consonance and dissonance

2007-11-13 Thread David Tayler
Best source for real renaissance counterpoint (NOT what is in college theory books) in English is Morley's Plain and Easie Introduction, though I recommend first people learn hexachord theory and play bicinia from Josquin, Lassus Isaac. Perhaps there is a good historical book other than

[LUTE] Single-strung 13-course Baroque Lutes?

2007-11-13 Thread David Rastall
As long as we're talking about single-strung archlutes, why not single-strung 13-course Baroque lutes? Do any of you play a single- strung 13-course? David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread howard posner
Of historical liuti attiorbati, Nigel Solomon asks: Are any single strung? They probably all have pegs and holes for double courses, but that doesn't mean that baroque-era players never used single strings on them, the same way modern players do. Nobody makes much of a fuss about the

[LUTE] Re: Single-strung 13-course Baroque Lutes?

2007-11-13 Thread Roland Hayes
Terry Schumacher does! From: David Rastall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 11/13/2007 1:26 PM To: Lute List Subject: [LUTE] Single-strung 13-course Baroque Lutes? As long as we're talking about single-strung archlutes, why not single-strung 13-course

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance consonance and dissonance

2007-11-13 Thread Peter Nightingale
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, David Tayler wrote: Best source for real renaissance counterpoint (NOT what is in college theory books) in English is Morley's Plain and Easie Introduction, though I recommend first people learn hexachord theory and play bicinia from Josquin, Lassus Isaac. Perhaps

[LUTE] Re: Meantone fretting with straight frets

2007-11-13 Thread David Tayler
First thanks to DVO for putting up the numbers--now we have some real world material. I find this very helpful. I'm still working though the chords, but in a real gig scenario I would set three basic levels-- I'm sure I will make mistakes so correct me if I am wrong Level one, the simplest of

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance consonance and dissonance

2007-11-13 Thread David Tayler
Woot. That is the coolest. dt Bicinia have all you need, really. In that case, all you need is here: http://www.bicinium.info Peter. the next auto-quote is: Even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth. (Gandhi) /\/\ Peter Nightingale Telephone (401) 874-5882

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance consonance and dissonance

2007-11-13 Thread Daniel Winheld
... I recommend first people learn hexachord theory and play bicinia from Josquin, Lassus Isaac. I assume the Morley can be found reprinted and for sale at any of the usual sources; but is there a good anthology of Bicinia? Funny thing, I was just thinking of them recently as I wanted to get

[LUTE] Re: Single-strung 13-course Baroque Lutes?

2007-11-13 Thread Edward Martin
If one listens to the old LP's, now on CD, of Eugen Dombois or Michael Schaffer, they sound as though they did not use octaves! ed At 01:26 PM 11/13/2007 -0500, David Rastall wrote: As long as we're talking about single-strung archlutes, why not single-strung 13-course Baroque lutes? Do any of

[LUTE] capo on third fret guitar

2007-11-13 Thread Joshua E. Horn
I don't know.. I put a capo on the 3rd fret of my guitar and got the relative tuning of a Ren. Lute.. it seems to work with the tabs Im reading. -- Joshua E. Horn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread Bruno Correia
Is there any advantage on playing such an instrument in Vivaldi? The soloist is Luca Pianca, of Il Giardino Armonico fame. He usually plays single strung, like many of his peers. Bruno Correia wrote: Is this a baroque lute? It is, but probably not what you mean by baroque lute.

[LUTE] Re: Meantone fretting with straight frets

2007-11-13 Thread David Tayler
Yes you are right I did not crank my F up high enough. Definitely an improvement over ET and balances with organ. At 02:38 PM 11/13/2007, you wrote: A, and we have a nice G chord, a nice D chord and an OK A chord Assuming the A chord is barred, and we don't use the fourth course, ?? F = 14 A

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread David Tayler
Depends. Though people debate this issue, liuto in Scarlatti Vivaldi land generally meant mandolin, you can read Tylers book for the different tunings, I use 6 double courses. So arciliuto is an octave too low, and is in octaves with the fiddles . Having said that, it sounds reasonably nice,

[LUTE] Re: capo on third fret guitar

2007-11-13 Thread Edward Martin
Good for you, Joshua. I hope you continue to play, as lute music is so wonderful and rewarding. If I can explain some of the responses from this list, to your note about using a capo on the 3rd fret, it seems as though there are some who think a lute is basically tuned in g. Actually, there

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread howard posner
Re Luca Pianca's single-strung liuto attiorbato in A, Bruno asks: Is there any advantage on playing such an instrument in Vivaldi? I suspect the primary advantage of a small instrument is that it's easy to travel with it. But in late baroque music, where the continuo lines tend to lie

[LUTE] Re: capo on third fret guitar

2007-11-13 Thread Daniel Winheld
And why wouldn't it work without the capo? Ed Martin has addressed the lute size (and the ever elusive but false Geeness obsession of 20 -21st century lutenists) succinctly and completely. I would only add that one reason for the use of tabulature is precisely BECAUSE the G pitch was but one

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi

2007-11-13 Thread howard posner
I wrote: Tyler will tell you that there was no soprano liuto in Italy, meaning in the 18th century and when Vivaldi wanted mandolino he wrote mandolino. And I believe Vivaldi's liuto parts contain continuo parts in the tutti sections (Malipiero left these parts out of his landmark