[LUTE] bach's piano

2008-06-28 Thread David Tayler
> >I'm surprised he did not mention that among his many talents, Bach >was a piano salesman. salesperson. dt >When Donald Grout visited my college when I was a student, someone >asked him about playing Bach on a piano. His answer: if it is worth >doing it is worth doing badly. >That still crac

[LUTE] Re: Why is the neck on the archlute so long?

2008-06-28 Thread David Tayler
good one, Sean. And even the lowest trees have tops, so the 7c is well fed. dt >It's terrible when your fans turn on you. > >s > > >On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Edward C. Yong wrote: > >>So that when one is not careful, standing up with an archlute still >>strapped to one's body will result in

[LUTE] Re: Why is the neck on the archlute so long?

2008-06-28 Thread Sean Smith
Now there's a dubious honor. s On Jun 28, 2008, at 9:26 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: That gets nominated for pun of the year! On Jun 29, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Sean Smith wrote: It's terrible when your fans turn on you. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread howard posner
On Jun 28, 2008, at 5:26 PM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: > As Ray Nurse said yesterday (and I know he was quoting somebody else) A quick web search will turn up attributions to Elvis Costello, Laurie Anderson, Frank Zappa, Robyn Hitchcock, Thelonius Monk, Miles Davis and (don't ask me why) Woody Al

[LUTE] Re: Why is the neck on the archlute so long?

2008-06-28 Thread Ed Durbrow
That gets nominated for pun of the year! On Jun 29, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Sean Smith wrote: > > It's terrible when your fans turn on you. Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu

[LUTE] Re: Why is the neck on the archlute so long?

2008-06-28 Thread Sean Smith
It's terrible when your fans turn on you. s On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Edward C. Yong wrote: So that when one is not careful, standing up with an archlute still strapped to one's body will result in decapitation of the said archlute by the ceiling fan. Yes, I speak from personal experie

[LUTE] Re: So...how was Cleveland?!?!?!?

2008-06-28 Thread Daniel Shoskes
Pretty amazing. Packed with so much stuff that there was hardly time to catch your breath (or practice!). Concerts 2-3 per day, masterclasses covering everything from medieval lute to post Weiss baroque music. Unbelievable lecture series by Ray Nurse on performance practice and Dowland's mu

[LUTE] So...how was Cleveland?!?!?!?

2008-06-28 Thread David Rastall
So.how was Cleveland?!?!?!? David R [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread David Rastall
On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:20 PM, howard posner wrote: > Professor Harold Hill wrote: > >> all this 'quibble' about how to play music is interesting but >> pointless. > > True enough. There's nothing more pointless than musicians who want > to know what they're doing. As a friend of mine once opined

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread damian dlugolecki
Could you give us an example of the way you see ornaments as dissonance? Name a tune and the measure where the dissonance occurs. I'm interested to know what you mean. DD On the simplest level, this is about consonance and dissonce. Most people play French baroque music as consonance, but t

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-28 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jun 29, 2008, at 6:35 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: > which end of the damned feather to use, and (difficult to phrase > this one), wobbly or stiff? Crawford uses the thin end of a strong feather. Peedu explained the details very well I thought. I have only tried this with feathers I've found

[LUTE] Re: Why is the neck on the archlute so long?

2008-06-28 Thread Daniel Shoskes
To make the soprano stand to your right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKWaz-BbvM4 On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:57 PM, David Tayler wrote: > In order to reach the food at the tops of the trees. > > dt > > > > At 05:46 PM 6/28/2008, you wrote: >> Why is the neck on the archlute so long? >> >> >> >> To

[LUTE] Re: Why is the neck on the archlute so long?

2008-06-28 Thread David Tayler
In order to reach the food at the tops of the trees. dt At 05:46 PM 6/28/2008, you wrote: >Why is the neck on the archlute so long? > > > >To get on or off this list see list information at >http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread David Tayler
On the simplest level, this is about consonance and dissonce. Most people play French baroque music as consonance, but the extraordinary length of the ornaments, when played properly, make it dissonance. It is the most dissonant music in early music; which makes it, to my ear, both unusual and

[LUTE] Why is the neck on the archlute so long?

2008-06-28 Thread David Tayler
Why is the neck on the archlute so long? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread Daniel Shoskes
As Ray Nurse said yesterday (and I know he was quoting somebody else) "talking about music is like dancing about architecture". On Jun 28, 2008, at 8:20 PM, howard posner wrote: Professor Harold Hill wrote: all this 'quibble' about how to play music is interesting but pointless. True enou

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread howard posner
Professor Harold Hill wrote: > all this 'quibble' about how to play music is interesting but > pointless. True enough. There's nothing more pointless than musicians who want to know what they're doing. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread damian dlugolecki
You know, DT's comments regarding french style are all well and good, but music is not a recipe that you whip together with several stylistic ingredients. The reason we play lutes that are historical is because 'style' emerges from reading through the music. One can quibble about appogiaturas

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread Mathias Rösel
"damian dlugolecki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > Gerwig was a great musician and if you were influenced by his > sound, which was a beautiful gut sound, > then you are very fortunate because you are now an extension > of the lute tradition. > > Damian If merely sound is concerned, I do not he

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread damian dlugolecki
Gerwig was a great musician and if you were influenced by his sound, which was a beautiful gut sound, then you are very fortunate because you are now an extension of the lute tradition. Damian Yeah, cracks me up, too. And I decidedly say No. Early recordings like Gerwig, playing Bittner, et a

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-28 Thread Gernot Hilger
On 28.06.2008, at 23:50, LGS-Europe wrote: Cow's horn is also on my list, but I cannot think of a dish yet. That one is easy. Just keep the horns for plectra and eat the rest of the cow. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-28 Thread LGS-Europe
I'm just an occasional dabbler in plectrum technique and I'm getting really confused! Two related things are bothering me - which end of the damned feather to use, and (difficult to phrase this one), wobbly or stiff? A guitar string (or presumably a lute string) or the thin end of a feather

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-28 Thread Stuart Walsh
Peedu Timo wrote: Hi all medieval pickers, You'll find a picture of ostrich feather plectrum from my page in http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/TimoPeedu Peedu, Unless you have a ning password, this page is not available. I think Daniel has pu

[LUTE] Re: London Manuscript revisited.

2008-06-28 Thread LGS-Europe
Next, I appreciate that this piece is for Baroque Lute and that the tuning is therefore I think different to 8 course, but can it be transposed to 8 course? No. But it can be arranged for 8-course. Question is how well this can be done. But it won't the same as the original, that's for sure.

[LUTE] Re: LSA journal

2008-06-28 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The LSA Summer Seminar/Lute Festival just ended this morning in Cleveland (fantasic event, by the way). The May Quarterly and the latest issue of the Journal should have arrived from the printer and will be stuffed into mailing envelopes as soon as Nancy Carlin gets back to California. Daniel H

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread Mathias Rösel
> > Advocate - If a performer isn't doing all of these > > things "right," does it mean that he/she isn't doing > > French style? > asked him about playing Bach on a piano. His answer: if it is worth > doing it is worth doing badly. > That still cracks me up. Yeah, cracks me up, too. And I deci

[LUTE] Re: London Manuscript revisited.

2008-06-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "Narada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you for the response Roman. If it can't be transposed then I'll just have to continue to marvel at the piece, unless of course I win the lottery then I might buy a 13c. That is Mankind's anthropological purpose. RT Best regards Neil -Original M

[LUTE] Re: London Manuscript revisited.

2008-06-28 Thread Narada
Thank you for the response Roman. If it can't be transposed then I'll just have to continue to marvel at the piece, unless of course I win the lottery then I might buy a 13c. Best regards Neil -Original Message- From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2008 13:21 To:

[LUTE] Re: London Manuscript revisited.

2008-06-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: "Narada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been looking at the music for Courante ( Suite 7 track 3 vol 3 of the London Manuscript ) could someone explain to me what the following means on the bass notes, course number in brackets: a (7) a (6) a (7) a( 6) a (7) a (7) then there is the number 4,

[LUTE] London Manuscript revisited.

2008-06-28 Thread Narada
Greetings all, I have a question or two. I have been looking at the music for Courante ( Suite 7 track 3 vol 3 of the London Manuscript ) could someone explain to me what the following means on the bass notes, course number in brackets: a (7) a (6) a (7) a( 6) a (7) a (7) then there is the nu

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-28 Thread Peedu Timo
Hi all medieval pickers, You'll find a picture of ostrich feather plectrum from my page in http://lutegroup.ning.com/profile/TimoPeedu The tip and the shaft of the feather must be sanded to make it smooth. The feather's 'hair' has to be cutted a

[LUTE] Re: French Style

2008-06-28 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jun 21, 2008, at 4:53 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > just to play Devil's > Advocate - If a performer isn't doing all of these > things "right," does it mean that he/she isn't doing > French style? When Donald Grout visited my college when I was a student, someone

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make? baldasarre article

2008-06-28 Thread bill kilpatrick
lute pickers:-! joseph baldassare wrote a two part article in "lute news" (april/july - 2004) called "playing the lute in medieval europe" - filled with information and iconography. - bill http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=billkilpatrick --- On Sat, 28/6/08, bill kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTE

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-28 Thread bill kilpatrick
why go to strangers? ... everything you need to know is located here: http://www.mikeouds.com/messageboard/ oudists call the plectrum a "risha" - put that in the site's search engine. raptor feathers are preferred to the domestic variety (tougher) but the best, imho, comes from horn.-! you can

[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?

2008-06-28 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jun 8, 2008, at 7:01 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Ed Durbrow wrote: Crawford Young uses a guitar string as a plectrum. Any more details on this? Stuart Not too much to add. You just take the feathers off of the part on the end that hits the strings. He leaves a little bit of feather on th