[LUTE] another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Sauvage Valéry
Reading all this debate, I better understand why "God" (any kind of...) is the main reason why people are making wars... Wish you a merry end of the year, whatever religion you beleive or not ;-) V. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread howard posner
On Dec 18, 2009, at 3:43 AM, Monica Hall wrote: > to which I would respond - is there any authority for David's > proposition other than his own whim? I'm not sure what David's proposition is, but yours seems to be something like, "there was no church in Italy in the first half of the 17th centur

[LUTE] Zwingli

2009-12-18 Thread Mark Probert
In perusing Wikipedia the other day, I ran across the following on Ulrich Zwingli, the great Swiss Reformation leader: "Zwingli enjoyed music ...and was so well-known for his playing that his enemies mocked him as "the evangelical lute-player and fifer". Three of Zwingli's Lieder or hymns have be

[LUTE] Baroque lute comparison with Reusner

2009-12-18 Thread Daniel Shoskes
11 course vs 13 course gut vs synthetic 392 vs 415 Tomlinson vs Rutherford I've recorded the Reusner Passacaglia in D major both ways for handy comparison: 13 course: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THXGtNKBfO8 11 course: [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u17wsHb1I0

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Tom Draughon
> My brother has this > nice idea that he just sits on a cloud switching channels until he > finds something he wants to listen to. He's actually watching Britney Spears and "Funniest Cat" videos on youtube right now... Tom Draughon Heartistry Music http://www.heartistry.com 714 9th Avenue We

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
If it's not your whim and you are under duress from ill informed conductors then I owe you an apology! But briefly I don't think that the guitar would have been used in 17th century Italian (or other) religious music intended to be performed in a liturgical context. I can't see why it should be

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
I appreciate that but still believe we have an obbligaton to educate conductors if it is indeed their whim rather than the players. And if people post things and draw attention to them we are surely entitled to express an honest opinion about them. We don't get anywhere by just saying that

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
I sympathise with you! Monica - Original Message - From: "jelmaa" To: "Monica Hall" Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: another day at the office I think it is important to realize that the use of a baroque guitar here is the _conducto

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Andrew Gibbs
As Professor Goldthwait Higginson Dorr, Ph.D. said: 'Madam, we are not musicians of the late Renaissance.' Andrew On 18 Dec 2009, at 12:41, Rob MacKillop wrote: > Period performance is ultimately >doomed, of course - our ears have heard Schoenberg, Hendrix, > Madonna. >We can never hea

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Rob MacKillop
With respect, Monica, it is clear that you are not a performer. It's fairly easy to sit back and say 'you shouldn't do that because it wasn't done' and quite another to be a professional musician earning your crust, supporting a family, etc, and being booked to play a date. Consideri

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread jelmaa
I think it is important to realize that the use of a baroque guitar here is the _conductor's_ whim, not David's. As a professional basso continuo player you have to be quite a diplomant to navigate between conductors' ideas and your own knowledge of historically informed performance practi

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread David van Ooijen
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Monica Hall wrote: > to which I would respond - is there any authority for David's proposition > other than his own whim? O dear, now it's suddenly my whim against the lack of evidence ( ... is no evidence of lack &c.). I'll pass your opinion on to the next cond

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
It is not about adding just another colour. By the percussive rhythm of a guitar (with an effect almost like a snare drum, caused by excessive forceful strumming) the whole character of the music can change. Therefore it would be good to be well informed about the existence of such a

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
That's very interesting - thanks for the information. I don't have a copy of this and I am not quite sure what you mean by pentagrams. Do you mean tables of alfabeto chords at the beginning of the book? MOnica - Original Message - From: Cc: "Lutelist" Sent: Friday, December 18,

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
to which I would respond - is there any authority for David's proposition other than his own whim? Monica - Original Message - From: "howard posner" To: "Lutelist >" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: another day at the office I think David's question w

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
Yes - certain songs even in the secular repertoire were considered more appropriate for the guitar than others. Monica - Original Message - From: "dc" To: "Lute list" Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 9:40 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: another day at the office Peter Martin écrit: Evide

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread Monica Hall
That sums it up very nicely. I would add that Monteverdi probably didn't add the alfabeto to the songs in Milanuzzi or intend them to be played in that way. One of my whinges is that there is a large repertoire of attractive solo music for guitar and all these songs - which nobody ever perfor

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread tiorba
From: "Monica Hall" I can't believe this - it is all nonsense. There is a difference between sacred songs which may be dance like and intended to be performed in a domestic setting and music to be performed in a liturgical context. The problem with so many performers today is that they know

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread gary digman
- Original Message - From: "Monica Hall"