Dear baroque lutenists,
a little while ago I wrote about three pieces I played in more or less in
the croquis way, not prima vista, but perhaps terza or quarta
vista. Now I made a couple of pieces to 11-course lute that most certainly
were not croquis!
Why is it always so that when the name
Hi,
Wasting some time one may collect tons of strange lutes from the
internet in many variations, the most strange one I found so far is
this:
Try [1]http://www.klassiskgitar.net/imagesr1.html
I am refering to the the Painting Young Lady with Lute by Racinet
which might
I find the oboe the most interesting :)
dt
At 10:59 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote:
Count 'em again, folks- I'm counting 7 courses on the main pegbox.
Treble rider, and 12 more pegs. I've got three courses- 6 pegs on the
extension, the bottom one looks like a darker wood replacement
(ebony?) -So we have
Hi All,
Sorry - as it seems, my last mail's link to the description of Linard's
painting is too long to work properly.
You can get there by googling the phrase Vanites par Jacques Linard
Culture and have it as the first hit.
You arrive at another description (less detailed,
Hi Gernot,
Thanks so much. I obviously love talking and speculating without having
any information at all, but I love even more if an informed person then
gives me something to learn in consequence. I will follow your hint!
Best
Franz
I'm sure many others, too!
PD
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Date : Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:56:42 -0500
Subject : [LUTE] Re: Robert
I tried to find what the strange object under the bird might be. I
believe it is a musette de cour with the chanter removed.
There is a similar picture here:
http://music.geocities.jp/muzettes/EngFile/main_eng/pictures_diag/hotteterre_musette.gif
I have asked David Van Edwards for his
An archcittern, Gernot? That broken chanterelle curls like gut to my
eye.
Sean
On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:51 AM, Gernot Hilger wrote:
Hi Franz,
the instrument in this pic is of course not a lute, but an
archcittern. Looks like a Hamburger Cithrinchen with extended bass
range.
Gernot
It is of course a cittern, but it was also painted (drawn?) no earlier
than 1850 judging from the artist's dates, so may be no more than a
fantasy of olden times composed of elements from other visual
sources. My first guess would be that the instrument never actually
physically
Dear Sean,
unless I am very much mistaken, you are speaking of the Linard
Vanitas. I was referring to the pic Franz had linked to. The other
picture is too small to see any chanterelle.
Or do you once again have a mousepad with better resolution by any chance?
Gernot
Zitat von Sean Smith
Hello Jaroslaw, Martin, Ed and Alexander,
Sorry for my late (and long-winded) response, I have only just
returned from the London string conference, of which more perhaps
later.
PARA
For the moment I would just like to respond to these last messages
about the sustain
So it is. Racinet's is certainly a citterncreature.
Sean
On Feb 15, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Gernot Hilger wrote:
Dear Sean,
unless I am very much mistaken, you are speaking of the Linard
Vanitas. I was referring to the pic Franz had linked to. The other
picture is too small to see any
David Van Edwards has of course nailed the lute perfectly- there is a
picture of one being played about 1/3 way down on this page (Brief
history of the lute, part 3) from his website, between the Des
Moulins 11 course and the better known double headed Dutch lute.
It's down at the bottom, next to what appears to be a plate on edge;
dangerously close to the parsnips. It appears that the bell is of a
different wood than the body; and on the whole it somewhat resembles
an extraordinary oboe played extraordinarily well by Gonzalo X. Ruiz
a few weeks ago-
Aside from the issue of musical instruments, there seem to be some odd
perspective relationships going on in the painting. Examples: the
basket of fruit at the top right sitting on a wood 'cabinet', the
drawer of the table in relation to the cabinet and the table itself,
the bowl
While we are picking through this - I see what looks like a lemon and
an orange. Is the other piece of fruit supposed to be a pomegranite?
And what is the silver cylinder near the bell of the oboe?
Nancy
At 10:55 AM 2/15/2010, Daniel Winheld wrote:
It's down at the bottom,
Oboe? I'd think pestle mortar :)
G.
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: Strange lute in French painting
It's down at the bottom, next to what appears to be a plate on
Maybe it's both (Emergency at the oboe players house- Honey, could
you stop practicing for a minute and come grind this garlic?)
Oboe? I'd think pestle mortar :)
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I think David was kidding about the oboe (hence the :) sign). The objects Dan
describes do not resemble any oboe da caccia I've seen. The goldish-colored
oboe part looks like a pestle, and the similarly-colored round object is more
than likely the mortar or similar dish. It can't be the bell
Damn it, I want to see Gonzalo's oboe again. The last time we had
parsnips they were much too tough, and the finger holes didn't help a
bit.
I think David was kidding about the oboe (hence the :) sign). The
objects Dan describes do not resemble any oboe da caccia I've seen.
The
Thanks, Dan. Ah yes, I see it, now. With no holes, and that large
ring around it, I took it to be a pestle. The way the picture comes up
on my screen, I can't see the reed-end of it.
Steve
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From: Daniel
What kind of glue are you using on those parsnips? Remember, the
organic ones need longer clamping time.
s
On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Daniel Winheld wrote:
Damn it, I want to see Gonzalo's oboe again. The last time we had
parsnips they were much too tough, and the finger holes didn't
No reason parsnips and woodwinds can't get along:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpfYt7vRHuY
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Maybe one more hour on simmer, and a few shakes from the cyanide jar
Nancy spotted.
Bon Apetit! :(
Funny- I do have a dentist appointment in one hour!
-Dan
I don't think an oboe da caccia would be any easier on your teeth,
but I suppose it would depend on how you cook it.
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Dear lute list gang,
if some of of you do not read the baroque lute list, and still are
intersted in French baroque lute and my wonderings, why easy pieces can be
hard and hard pieces easy, here is a copy of my message to the b-list. If
you get the b-list, here is just a copy: delete. If you are
What is the notated piece under the lute head and recorder? Isn't there any
photo with more pixels than that
http://www.wga.hu/art/l/linard/senses.jpg
Arto
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Could the bird-like object actually be a feathers arranged on a wire
(visible extending down and to the right from the bird body) used for
cleaning the musette pipes?
Also, does anyone recognize the music? It's not in tab.
The other Lady With Lute that Franz found seems more like a cittern
Something you can do to improve worn frets if you're short on time: loosen
the fret a little by sliding it toward the nut, then turn it slightly on the
neck so the worn parts are between courses. Slide it back to pitch.
Leonard Williams
On 2/14/10 6:22 PM, nedma...@aol.com nedma...@aol.com
What always puzzled me in this picture is that some of the frets (which
seem to appear to be double ...?), starting from the third, look as a
kind of 'split' from the middle and down towards the edge of the neck.
The painter didn't 'confirm' this feature in the mirror reflection of
the neck,
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