Dear Martin & All,
Here is the promised picture:
http://www.vihuelademano.com/current/pages/Bartolomeo-Bettera_fluted-ribs-lute.htm
As always in cases with historical iconography - however accurate and
realistic it appears to us - we would still remain at the mercy of the
artists. Having said
Another inaccuracy : the diameter of the strings should gradually decrease from
the nut towards the bridge when viewed from this angle.
As far as I can tell, they do not.
I think Holbein was a great artist who knew what to paint accurately when it
really mattered. A few 21th century luters ponder
On Feb 9, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Anthony Hind wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/67aeck3
> We do see that the pegs look the same, but the painting of the lute is much
> less
If you mean the pegs on this painting look the same as the ones in The
Ambassadors, try zooming in on the "Ambassadors" pegs. They ar
There is a very instructive study about this picture:
Susan foister et al.: making & meaning / holbein´s ambassadors. National
gallary company, london & yale university press. 2001.
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Anthony,
I agree, it is possible that Holbein painted the ambassador's lute.
However, there is some inconsistency in the way he treated details. Some
of them are very accurate (like the music), some are not (the globe). On
the other hand we don't know who was wrong Holbein or the drawing on th
Just to be saucy, I'd call it HP.
Sean
On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote:
Howard,
--- On Wed, 2/9/11, howard posner wrote:
I didn't try to extrapolate an overall mensur, or what an
ET fretting would be, because the picture doesn't show the
whole lute. But after the se
Howard,
--- On Wed, 2/9/11, howard posner wrote:
>
> I didn't try to extrapolate an overall mensur, or what an
> ET fretting would be, because the picture doesn't show the
> whole lute. But after the second fret the frets are
> all 15 or 16 units apart, which would give a scale nothing
> like
On Feb 8, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote:
>>> And the fretting is equally tempered, just like it was (and should be) in
>>> real life.
I think not. I blew up the picture so that the length of the sixth course
from nut to bridge was 47.72 cm (18 inches) the biggest I could conveniently
To All:
We've been absent for a while but are back with a new blog post,
'Dowland, Marenzio and Lachrimae'.
http://mignarda.wordpress.com/
Ron & Donna
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I will make an edition without the tenor clefs--good idea.
dt
At 11:55 AM 2/8/2011, you wrote:
>Dive into the _listening_ of continuo? Any link to the written music?
>Beautiful, though. ;-) Thanks!
>
>Arto
>
>On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 10:23:56 -0800, David Tayler
>wrote:
> > For those wishing
Val, I suppose this is the painting you are referring to.
http://tinyurl.com/67aeck3
We do see that the pegs look the same, but the painting of the lute is much
less
detailed.
Anthony
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Yes of course you are right about the painting not necessarily being accurate.
Although Val's arguments seem rather good to make us think it was the
ambassador's lute.
Generally, I think lute makers use as small a hole as they can get away with
(at
least they seem to do so now). Whenever I hav
Very interesting Val, details pointing to this being a lute owned by the
ambassador, and probably played by him, so probably also in playing condition;
although we can't be sure that the painting gives the exact details.
Regards
Anthony
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Is it possible that this lute, with its string height and particular fret
setting might have been recognizable as typically French, taking account of
what
Val points out. Some of those French dance pieces (dating from just before the
painting, see Pierre Attaign
Dear Martyn
I agree with your distinction between precision and accuracy, and possibly
relative or absolute values. However, interestingly, Holbein (and perhaps his
assistants) did show the gradation of treble to bass strings, but not of lower
to upper fret. I suppose, the latter might be l
Exactly. That's why I seldom do that.
RT
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Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:58 AM
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I'm sorry to hear that, because it means going to early music concerts
must
Here you are:
[1]http://www.googleartproject.com/museums/nationalgallery/the-ambasado
rs
All the best
JL
W dniu 2011-02-09 13:51, Karen Hore pisze:
Can anyone tell me which gallery the Holbein is in? I've been
looking on GoogleArt but haven't seen it yet?
Is was on
Except for the low 6th course, none of the junctures at the holes on
the bridge seem to make sense. It's as if he had to give the lute back
after he had painted most of it and was trying to recall the details of
how the strings attach. The thickest string is the only one that seems
t
I wonder to what extent we can rely on painter's accuracy...e.g.. big
bridge holes. As far as I can remember it was said that the evidence
suggests narrow BH which was to support the loaded strings theory. On
Holbein's painting we have enormous holes in comparison to the string
gauges on the lu
Dear Anthony and All,
My comments are below yours:
On 09/02/2011 09:01, Anthony Hind wrote:
So, you do consider they are thin and therefore could indeed just be to
compensate for a raised neck? Yet is this not the relative thickness (like 3rd
or 4th course) that Dowland suggests for fret 1 and
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we should not overlook the possibility that
fretting in the England in the early 16th century WAS of equal size
--
Perhaps we should keep in mind the two men painted were French (Jean de
Dinteville was ambassador in London when the painting w
Dear Anthony,
Thanks for this. On further reflection some other aspects come to mind:
1. Most particularly, the difference between precision (the number of
significant figures to which something is measured) and accuracy (how
near the measurement is to the object being measured).
Don't worry David.
The first and the last notes of a concert are the two really important ones.
Lex
Op 9 feb 2011, om 09:01 heeft David van Ooijen het volgende geschreven:
> On 9 February 2011 07:56, wrote:
>> "Acncriodg to a reserchaer at Crdgaimbe Ueisnrvity, it dsoen't mtetar in
>> waht oerd
On 9 February 2011 07:56, wrote:
> "Acncriodg to a reserchaer at Crdgaimbe Ueisnrvity, it dsoen't mtetar in
> waht oerdr the leertts in a word are, the olny iotnmarpt tinhg is that the
> fsirt and lsat lteetr be at the rghit pacle. The rset can be a toatl mses
> and you can still raed it whutoit
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