[LUTE] Thank you, and so long!

2020-09-30 Thread Wayne Cripps
Hi Everyone - I would like to thank you all for your good wishes! Bye Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Garry Bryan
Thanks for all the decades, Wayne! I'll see the rest of you reprobates around the internet ( Ning, Facebook, etc.). Garry On 9/30/2020 6:11 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Edward Martin
Wayne, many thanks and we hope you like retirement! Ed Martin Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 30, 2020, at 5:14 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: > > Hi Lute People - > > The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly > have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread RC P
Many thanks, see you on the other side! Bob Purrenhage On 9/30/2020 6:11 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Jeff Noonan
Thanks for your time, energy, attention to detail & patience over the years, Wayne. I hope you’re retiring to a pleasant & active new life. All the best! jeff > On Sep 30, 2020, at 5:18 AM, Wayne Cripps wrote: > > Hi Lute People - > > The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Thank you Wayne for everything, and happy retirement.!! Bruno Montreal Le mer. 30 sept. 2020 à 08:15, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen <[1]jlaju...@gmail.com> a écrit : Thank you so much Wayne! This list has been an invaluable source of information. Jussi-Pekka

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
Thank you so much Wayne! This list has been an invaluable source of information. Jussi-Pekka ke 30. syysk. 2020 klo 13.13 Wayne Cripps ([1]w...@cs.dartmouth.edu) kirjoitti: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Arto Wikla
Big thanks Wayne Your list was great!! Arto On 30.9.2020 13.11, Wayne Cripps wrote: > Hi Lute People - > > The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly > have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. > > Wayne > > > > > To get on

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Jim Dunn
Thank you so much Wayne â a reliable source of help, knowledge and entertainment. Three cheers for Wayne! On 30 Sep 2020, 12:14 +0200, Wayne Cripps , wrote: Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Lex van Sante
Hey Wayne, Thanks for creating and maintaining this list for such a long time. I am sure it will be sorely missed by all with an interest in the lute and allied instruments. Thanks again and stay healthy! Lex. Op 30 sep. 2020, om 12:11 heeft Wayne Cripps

[LUTE] Re: This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Christopher Wilke
Thanks so much Wayne! You've provided an invaluable service to the international lute community. There's no doubt the lute would be in far worse shape without the exchange of knowledge you facilitated. We all owe you a deep debt of gratitude. Best, Chris On Wednesday,

[LUTE] This list is ending soon!

2020-09-30 Thread Wayne Cripps
Hi Lute People - The Dartmouth lute list is ending in less than three hours. I certainly have learned a lot from all of you and I thank you all for taking part in it. Wayne To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Revised edition of La Rhétorique des Dieux

2020-09-29 Thread David Smith
Greetings, I have just finished and published a new version of Richard Civiol’s edition of La Rhétorique des Dieux. I have done a note by note comparison with the original facsimile and made corrections, provided English translations for all of the text, and included images from

[LUTE] Full circle

2020-09-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
Recently there has seen some remarkable developments: some Ukrainian musicians have discovered my Ukro-centric music, and started to adopt it and adapt it to the Ukrainian diatonic zither/psaltery, AKA the Bandura: [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywW8txYy8gE

[LUTE] Benjamin Narvey’s virtual Solo concert

2020-09-28 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear Lutenists Benjamin Narvey this week is presenting a virtual solo recital of lute music for the Early Music Voices series in Canada. The recital, "The Calgary Connection", is the first concert of the year, and was recorded at Benjamin's home in Paris due to the Covid crisis.

[LUTE] Re: LUTE Duets

2020-09-28 Thread Christopher Stetson
Good morning, Alain. Thank you for this. I hope it was fun to put together! Have a good afternoon, Chris. On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:06 AM Alain Veylit <[1]al...@musickshandmade.com> wrote: People who like lute duets might interested in a project I put together,

[LUTE] Re: LUTE Duets

2020-09-27 Thread Alain Veylit
People who like lute duets might  interested in a project I put together, see http://fandango.musickshandmade.com/projects/preview/26 I did not quite make it to 100 but there are still some pieces to be added after this list goes silent. Good night all, Alain To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: This September--Paul O'Dette in concert

2020-09-27 Thread John Mardinly
Thanks Nancy-This was wonderful! Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 31, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Nancy Carlin wrote: > > --0511CBC1E59526415F9EA14C > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > See the note below about an online Paul O'Dette

[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute

2020-09-27 Thread Ron Andrico
"By the way, I really like the film. Films like this one will probably soon be forbidden by PC idiots..." I know what you mean. I prefer Macs as well. RA __ From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on

[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute

2020-09-27 Thread Rainer
Erm, do you happen to play chess or just a proud Norwegian :) I have become interested in chess lately after 42 years of abstinence. Rainer Am 27.09.2020 um 19:30 schrieb magnus andersson: Also noteworthy are the arrangements of the (Daniel) Purcell pieces in the Poznan 7033 ms. Best,

[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute

2020-09-27 Thread magnus andersson
Also noteworthy are the arrangements of the (Daniel) Purcell pieces in the Poznan 7033 ms. Best, Magnus [1]Skickat från Yahoo Mail för iPhone Den söndag, september 27, 2020, 2:26 em, skrev Rainer : Very nice. The Rondeau is also from Abdelazer. Which

[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation

2020-09-27 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
So maybe like this? --Sarge On 9/26/2020 14:53, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: > I was responding to this: "Vidal obviously forgot to write the > beginning of the pavan, and adds the bars at the end of the piece." > > Like I said, it makes more sense to me, musically, to play that > section only

[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute

2020-09-27 Thread Rainer
Very nice. The Rondeau is also from Abdelazer. Which reminds me of the film "Pride and Prhudice". Of course, nobody would have played music by Purcell as dance music in 1813 (or 1797). Anyway many people praised the film music by Marianelli - pseudo romantic piano music which did not yet

[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute

2020-09-27 Thread heiman.dan...@juno.com
Rainer, Nigel North did a set of intabulations of Henry Purcell pieces at the beginning of his concert on 11-course d-minor lute.https://bit.ly/NorthConcert Daniel -- Original Message -- From: Rainer To: Lute net , lutelist Subject: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute Date: Sun,

[LUTE] Duo at distance with third listener also elsewhere

2020-09-27 Thread Anthony Hind
Dear lutenists Just before our list closes, I wonder whether in this difficult context anyone has the experience of playing duo at distance and with a third lutenist commentator in a third environment, perhaps all this via Zoom or similar? Please feel free to mail me with

[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute

2020-09-27 Thread Arto Wikla
And if you play continuo, it is not too complicated to play this piece directly from the score. Arto On 27.9.2020 12.52, Mathias Rösel wrote: >There's an edition of pieces by Purcell from Tree Edition for one >archlute. >Mathias >

[LUTE] Re: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute

2020-09-27 Thread Mathias Rösel
There's an edition of pieces by Purcell from Tree Edition for one archlute. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Rainer Betreff: [Lutelist] Purcell on the lute

[LUTE] Re: Peter Croton's email address

2020-09-27 Thread Guilherme Barroso
Here it goes: petercro...@gmail.com Guilherme Barroso Lute and Basso Continuo Professor at [1]Escola Superior de Música de Lisboa ESML [2]www.guilherme-barroso.com | [3]@the_lute_channel Tel: +41 767488925 Em 27/09/2020, 08:33 +0200, Rainer escreveu: Dear

[LUTE] Purcell on the lute

2020-09-27 Thread Rainer
Dear lute netters, I wonder if anybody has intabulated this for two Renaissance lutes (or one). https://youtu.be/UfwO_RRgRXE Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Peter Croton's email address

2020-09-27 Thread Rainer
Dear lute netters, does anybody know Peter Croton's email address? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation

2020-09-26 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
I was responding to this: "Vidal obviously forgot to write the beginning of the pavan, and adds the bars at the end of the piece." Like I said, it makes more sense to me, musically, to play that section only before the preceding bars are repeated, but I admit that the wording of the Vidal's

[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation

2020-09-26 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
Did you mean like this? --Sarge On 9/25/2020 09:13, Jussi-Pekka Lajunen wrote: > Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense to me > when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if > Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a

[LUTE] Re: Switch to the new list?

2020-09-26 Thread s.wa...@ntlworld.com
Thanks Wayne I learned a lot from this list over many years Stuart Sent from my Huawei phone Original message From: Wayne Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 14:58 To: lute net Subject: [LUTE] Switch to the new list? Hi Folks - I expect this

[LUTE] Re: Switch to the new list?

2020-09-26 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
See the message sent to this list by Nancy Carlin on 17th September. Tristan von Neumann kirjoitti 26.9.2020 klo 17.41: I haven't been paying attention very much lately. Where is the new list and what do I need to do? On 26.09.20 14:38, Rainer wrote: Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when

[LUTE] Welcome to the "Lutelist" mailing list

2020-09-26 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
Here is the data for the new list. Forwarded Message Welcome to the lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info mailing list! To post to this list, send your message to: lutel...@groundsanddivisions.info General information about the mailing list is at:

[LUTE] Re: Switch to the new list?

2020-09-26 Thread Tristan von Neumann
I haven't been paying attention very much lately. Where is the new list and what do I need to do? On 26.09.20 14:38, Rainer wrote: Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when Wayne's server will be shut down? Isn't it time to migrate to the new list? Rainer To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Switch to the new list?

2020-09-26 Thread Wayne
Hi Folks - I expect this list will close sometime between tomorrow and very early Wednesday morning. Nancy Carlin announced a list sponsored by the LSA recently. Wayne Begin forwarded message: From: Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> Subject: [LUTE]

[LUTE] Switch to the new list?

2020-09-26 Thread Rainer
Does anybody remember (Wayne? :)) when Wayne's server will be shut down? Isn't it time to migrate to the new list? Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Saturday morning quotes

2020-09-26 Thread Ron Andrico
We have posted our Saturday morning quotes, beginning our eighth full year of the (once weekly, now frequent) series. We preview a few new tracks from Mignarda and our alter-ego, we honor Wayne Cripps for hosting the lute list and discuss the way forward.

[LUTE] Re: Capirola translation

2020-09-25 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
Thank you! Interestingly that "beginning" does make more sense to me when played only when the piece is repeated. It makes me wonder if Vidal really meant that this last strain is played as a beginning of the piece on both times or only on the second time. G. C. kirjoitti 25.9.2020

[LUTE] Capirola translation

2020-09-24 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
Can anyone give me a translation of the texts on folio 48r of the Capirola MS (the third page of Padoana alla Francese No. 2) or explain what they mean? -- Jussi-Pekka Lajunen To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Strings Available...

2020-09-20 Thread Julian Templeman
I've got four Pyramid lute strings that are surplus to requirements - 2 x 0.425 and 2 x 0.500 If they're of any use to anyone, let me know and I'll put them in the post to you. julian -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Lautenband

2020-09-20 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Since the lute is so very light weight, all you need is cotton tape (or silk ribbon) some 1.1/2 ins (4cm) wide. You can even buy it in Germany! MH On Sunday, 20 September 2020, 08:41:52 BST, Rainer wrote: Auf Deutsch, weil ich das nicht im Ausland kaufen will: Ich will doch

[LUTE] Re: Lautenband

2020-09-20 Thread Rainer
In der Tat - Wenn man nach Lautengurt sucht. Wenn man nach Lautenband sucht, findet man das berühmte "Mit dem grünen Lautenbande" von Schubert :) Rainer Am 20.09.2020 um 10:07 schrieb Joachim Lüdtke: Dear Rainer, there are lute straps as the sand on the sea, very much ... As you are

[LUTE] Re: Lautenband

2020-09-20 Thread Mathias Rösel
Ach so, und NICHT von Ausland - tja, dann von Dieter Schossig. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Mathias Rösel Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lautenband Datum: 20.

[LUTE] Re: Lautenband

2020-09-20 Thread Joachim Lüdtke
Dear Rainer, there are lute straps as the sand on the sea, very much ... As you are searching for a provider in your country, have a look on the website of lute builder Schossig. Best Joachim -Original-Nachricht- Betreff: [LUTE] Lautenband Datum: 2020-09-20T09:42:13+0200 Von:

[LUTE] Re: Lautenband

2020-09-20 Thread Mathias Rösel
Arion straps von Tanja Skonk, die finde ich am besten. Mathias __ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: Rainer Betreff: [LUTE] Lautenband Datum: 20. September 2020, 9:40 An:

[LUTE] Lautenband

2020-09-20 Thread Rainer
Auf Deutsch, weil ich das nicht im Ausland kaufen will: Ich will doch noch mal versuchen mit einem Band zu spielen - Lauten kann man bekanntlich nicht halten. Spezielle Bänder für Lauten gibt es wohl nicht - wozu auch. Gitarrenbänder gibt es wie Sand am Meer (der wird wohl langsam knapp).

[LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Concert on demand streaming September 25 - October 4

2020-09-19 Thread John Trout
Hi everyone, I wanted to clarify that the Opening Night Watch Party on Friday September 25^th at 7 PM will premier Richard's concert. If you can't attend this, it is available for streaming after that through October 4^th. John Dear fellow Lute Enthusiasts, I would

[LUTE] Lute in unclaimed luggage

2020-09-18 Thread Lynda Kraar
Friends, scroll down to the paragraph about a lute in [1]this article that popped up on my feed today - anyone lose this item at some point in the past few years? Lynda Kraar -- References 1.

[LUTE] a new LuteList

2020-09-17 Thread Nancy Carlin
The LSA in recognition of the wonderful service Wayne Cripps did with hosting the lute email lists, has decided to host a follow up email list. The LSA list is for everyone, members or non-members. It is also appropriate for discussions on all lute-family instruments and their

[LUTE] Lutes for sale list

2020-09-17 Thread Nancy Carlin
The lute community thanks Wayne Cripps for all the years he provided this service - a lot of lutes were sold! He is retiring from this project and his list is closing down very soon. The Lute Society of America has added a Lutes For Sale list to a temporary website

[LUTE] Baroque Lute Concert on demand streaming September 25 - October 4

2020-09-16 Thread John Trout
Dear fellow Lute Enthusiasts, I would like to let you know about an upcoming Baroque Lute Concert recorded live and streaming from Sep 25 - Oct 4 online. I think you all might enjoy it. As part of Tempesta di Mare's Artist Recital Series, Richard Stone will play German and

[LUTE] David Buch contact

2020-09-15 Thread David Smith
Does anyone know how to contact David J. Buch who wrote his dissertation on La Rhétorique des Dieux? I would like ask his permission to use his translation in something. Regards David -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Pavana alla veniciana

2020-09-15 Thread Ralf Mattes
On 15.09.20 19:33, Rainer wrote: Dear lute netters, the Tabualturbeilage 2018/4 contains a few pieces from Judenkunig's Underweisung. One of the pieces - the pvavana all Veniciana - looks very strange. Bars 15, 23, 31, 39 and 47 (attention: the barring in the Tabulaturbeilage is a mess)

[LUTE] Pavana alla veniciana

2020-09-15 Thread Rainer
Dear lute netters, the Tabualturbeilage 2018/4 contains a few pieces from Judenkunig's Underweisung. One of the pieces - the pvavana all Veniciana - looks very strange. Bars 15, 23, 31, 39 and 47 (attention: the barring in the Tabulaturbeilage is a mess) contain a minim(?) rest which does

[LUTE] Re: Great performance

2020-09-14 Thread G. C.
And the pessimistic lyrics are perhaps even as relevant today as they were 500 years ago. G -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Great performance

2020-09-14 Thread Tristan von Neumann
As I only started playing when Sarge's Archive was already well-filled, I decided to start with Neusidler's book. It's really the best book for beginners. Other tutors are not as thoughtful. Poulton was the worst: hey, let's play Packington's Pound, and then a Fantasia by de Rippe... While

[LUTE] Re: Great performance

2020-09-14 Thread Christopher Stetson
Thanks, Tristan, for the reference. I have to admit Neusidler hasn't received the attention he (they) deserve from me. Back when I was an enthusiastic young lutenist he was largely unavailable due to the "language" barrier. I did make a desultory attempt or two at learning

[LUTE] Re: Great performance

2020-09-14 Thread Tristan von Neumann
If you want to play it, the Hans Neusidler version is nice and easy. Of course, his son also made a difficult version... On 14.09.20 13:52, Christopher Stetson wrote: Hi, Tristan and all, I was not familiar with the song (and now I feel inadequate), but yes, it is a beautiful and

[LUTE] Re: Great performance

2020-09-14 Thread Timothy Swain
Incredibly beautiful! Thanks to you, Tristan--for locating this--(superb performers!) On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 6:44 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote: I just found this version of a song that is probably familiar to all lutists.

[LUTE] Re: Great performance

2020-09-14 Thread Christopher Stetson
Hi, Tristan and all, I was not familiar with the song (and now I feel inadequate), but yes, it is a beautiful and accomplished performance, Thanks! Stay safe and keep playing, Chris. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:46 PM Tristan von Neumann <[1]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:

[LUTE] Re: Downland/Byrd on 10-course lute (was: Ringfinger)

2020-09-14 Thread David van Ooijen
Ensemble music for voice, viol and lute: the mass for three voices and some 5- and 6-part choral works performed by the two and/or three of us. My own intabulations and/or simply read from the score. David *** David van Ooijen

[LUTE] Downland/Byrd on 10-course lute (was: Ringfinger)

2020-09-14 Thread Moshe Davis
Hello David, You mentioned that you gave a concert of Dowland and Byrd on 10-course lute. Which pieces from Byrd did you perform? I wasn't aware that there is much available in tablature from Byrd. Thanks in advance, Moshe Davis Jerusalem I have a nasty callus on my

[LUTE] Great performance

2020-09-13 Thread Tristan von Neumann
I just found this version of a song that is probably familiar to all lutists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqMKE6HLOrc I don't know about you, but I think that's extremely beautiful. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Weird tradition

2020-09-13 Thread Daniel Shoskes
I’m sure lutelister David Tayler can explain their choics although it’s not listed as an instrument in the performance. > On Sep 13, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Tristan von Neumann > wrote: > > I just noticed the glockenspiel in this performance: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JWYIY3icUg > >

[LUTE] Weird tradition

2020-09-13 Thread Tristan von Neumann
I just noticed the glockenspiel in this performance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JWYIY3icUg I wonder why it is there. It seems to have come from this iconic recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmHR6GWQOWU Does anyone know how they justified it? Not that this instrument wasn't

[LUTE] Re: Lutegroup Progress

2020-09-11 Thread Daniel Shoskes
I just realized that Frank sent this to the lutelist rather than directly back to me. To clear up any confusion if present, the ning lutegroup cannot function as an email chat group, it’s forum based. That was the case with the old Ning 2.0 platform and the current Ning 3.0 platform, despite

[LUTE] Re: Lutegroup Progress

2020-09-11 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
I really appreciate your efforts, David, but as I mentioned, one of the things I have liked about the old group is that for me it is easier to use. I simply get messages put in my "lute list" folder automatically, and thus I can store them readily on my local machine. It is also

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-11 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
Yes, I understood that the Battaglia is truly in two parts. I was looking to see if there was a second *duet* part, to fill in what I now understand to be gaps in the MS, as explained well by Jussi-Pekka Lajunen .  Looking at the vocal score I can see the gaps would be filled in by a second

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-10 Thread Sean Smith
The battle of Jannequin traditionally has had a first and second part, sequentially. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 1:00 PM guy_and_liz Smith <[1]guy_and_...@msn.com> wrote: I've played a lot of Renaissance polyphony in facsimile (on sackbut), and in that context, secunda pars means

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-10 Thread guy_and_liz Smith
I've played a lot of Renaissance polyphony in facsimile (on sackbut), and in that context, secunda pars means exactly what Ron describes. With large numbers of voices, you will sometimes see XYZ Vox to indicate a part/voice by number, such as Quinta Vox, but I've never seen "pars" used to

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-10 Thread Ron Andrico
Sarge, I think you'll find that the term _secunda pars_ universally applies to the second section of a composition that was conceived in more than one section, typically setting the continuation of a long poem or another sectional text. For instance, in Phalese _Luculentum Theatrum

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-10 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
Oh!  I didn't find that score.  Thanks so much! One approach would be to intabulate the missing parts from the score, as a second lute part (maybe using red notes) or just to fill them in so a single lute could play the complete piece. Since the first part does not have gaps or red notes, it,

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-09 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
No, I haven't seen, but the numbers correspond to the duration of rests in the first choir's part (and the nine semibreve long section not included in the tablature). If you look at the score[1], you can see there are rests that last for two semibreves on page 25, for five semibreves on page

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-09 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
Well, as we have discussed, the red notes are apparently played from the same score on a second lute, and elsewhere in Eysert, there are apparently both parts of some duets, some reversed to play off the same MS (haven't run across them yet). That suggests that there may not be a

[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?

2020-09-09 Thread David van Ooijen
Thank you all who helped me (JM, Ron, GS, David S in particular) and so fast! I feel ashamed to answer you so late (had a day of guitar teaching - bread and butter, you know the story). One more reason to keep this list afloat - in whatever form - we get by with a little help from

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-09 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
The Secunda pars" is "Seconda Parte" of Battaglia by Orazio Vecchi. See page 25: http://ks.petruccimusiclibrary.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP145459-WIMA.26bd-battu.pdf Also see: https://i.imgur.com/fhZWglm.png I guess the second choir's part is not in the same lute book. It would not

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-09 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
Hmmm. I don't see another version of the Battaglia. There is a Part 1 (same file), which has 72 bars, where part 2 has 55. If we add a total of 30 interpolated bars to part 2, we get 85 bars, so the bar numbers still wouldn't fit between the two parts, and I have not tried to see

[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?

2020-09-09 Thread David Smith
Acadamia.edu has a copy for free if you want. I sent a copy to David. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of David van Ooijen Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:25 PM To: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of

[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?

2020-09-09 Thread David Smith
Proquest has it for $41 as a PDF. Pub ID 8315922. David -Original Message- From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu On Behalf Of Ron Andrico Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 6:29 AM To: David van Ooijen ; Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of

[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?

2020-09-09 Thread Ron Andrico
Dear David: Have you seen David J. Buch's dissertation, "Rhétorique des Dieux: A Critical Study of Text, Illustration, and Musical Style," Northwestern University, 1983? I have it somewhere if you are unable to locate a copy. RA

[LUTE] Re: Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?

2020-09-09 Thread Andreas Schlegel
Dear David Not a direct answer, but a link to the tricky story of the Rhétorique: https://accordsnouveaux.ch/en/la-rhetorique-des-dieux/bremen-lecture-2013 There’s a big gap between the goals of Anne-Achille de Chambré, explained in the foreword, and the real book. Enjoy! Andreas > Am

[LUTE] Rethorique des Dieux, English translation of preface?

2020-09-08 Thread David van Ooijen
Dear collected mind. Could someone direct me to such, if available? David -- *** David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [2]https://davidvanooijen.wordpress.com *** --

[LUTE] Re: Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-08 Thread Jussi-Pekka Lajunen
They seem to indicate the duration of rests. In this case there are no red notes. I wonder if there is a intabulation of the second choir's part elsewhere in the manuscript. See: https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/145459/sv06 Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. kirjoitti 8.9.2020 klo 18.47:

[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-08 Thread Rainer
Am 08.09.2020 um 17:55 schrieb howard posner: On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:18 AM, Rainer wrote: According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when played by Liszt. He wrote presque une heure - even slower. Playing everything as asked for by Beethoven makes 32 minutes. As

[LUTE] Re: Le Luth Doré

2020-09-08 Thread Rainer
everything is fine. My provider treated the order confirmation as spam :( Rainer Am 08.09.2020 um 16:00 schrieb Rainer: Dear lute netters, has anybody ordered something form Le Luth Doré ? I have placed an order and already paid via PayPal but not received an order confirmation. Rainer

[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-08 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:18 AM, Rainer wrote: > > According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when > played by Liszt. Liszt said something of the sort in a letter written 40 years after the performance Berlioz reviewed. For all we know, he hadn’t played it in years

[LUTE] Numbers in a battle (Eysert), part 2

2020-09-08 Thread Frank A. Gerbode, M.D.
After bars 2, 5, 13, 17, 22, 26, and 31 in this piece, there are numbers, like #°6, #°13, etc.  Can anyone help me figure out what this might mean? --Sarge -- Frank A. Gerbode, M.D. (sa...@gerbode.net) 11132 Dell Ave Forestville, CA 95436-9491 Home phone: 707-820-1759

[LUTE] Re: Le Luth Doré

2020-09-08 Thread Jim Dunn
Yes, ordered a couple of editions from them earlier in the year. Received both a PayPal receipt and an automated receipt from their webshop. The order took a few months (mostly due to COVID/La Poste I think), but Miguel was responsive and nice over email when I had queries about

[LUTE] Le Luth Doré

2020-09-08 Thread Rainer
Dear lute netters, has anybody ordered something form Le Luth Doré ? I have placed an order and already paid via PayPal but not received an order confirmation. Rainer To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-08 Thread Tristan von Neumann
The applause was probably included :) :) T* On 08.09.20 12:18, Rainer wrote: According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when played by Liszt. This is much slower than some modern performances. Rainer Am 08.09.2020 um 01:09 schrieb howard posner: On Sep 7,

[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-08 Thread Rainer
According to a source I cannot remember the Sonata lasted 55 minutes when played by Liszt. This is much slower than some modern performances. Rainer Am 08.09.2020 um 01:09 schrieb howard posner: On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: Even List could not play the Hammerklavier Sonate

[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-07 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: > > As an illustration see the incredible https://youtu.be/NmI_ALcEGUw And so I learn that there really is a pianist named Vincenzo Maltempo. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-07 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 7, 2020, at 1:19 PM, Rainer wrote: > > Even List could not play the Hammerklavier Sonate at Beethoven's metronome > markings - if they are meant as they are today. Hector Berlioz seems to indicate otherwise in an 1836 review of a Liszt concert in the La Revue et Gazette musicale de

[LUTE] Off topic: The infamous metronome markings problem

2020-09-07 Thread Rainer
Dear lute netters, as most of you probably know there was and is some discussion about the metronome markings in the first half of the 19th century. Even List could not play the Hammerklavier Sonate at Beethoven's metronome markings - if they are meant as they are today. I wonder what

[LUTE] Ning Lutegroup upcoming upgrade

2020-09-07 Thread Daniel Shoskes
If you are a member of [1]lutegroup.ning.com please ignore because you just received a more detailed email about this. For the rest of you, I wanted to let you know that I will be migrating the group to their new upgraded platform with some nicer features. If you would like to see

[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)

2020-09-06 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thanks to those who pointed out the errors in my manner of inserting interpolations - in fact, I did try to do something like this by putting in spaces and inserting a dash before my comments, but much was lost by the system not copying how I separated text (eg see the extract

[LUTE] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Francisque

2020-09-05 Thread Mayes, Joseph
I should point out - if someone hasn't already - that the Francisque is one of Luth d'ore's editions. Really clearly printed and well thought-out edition. I recommend it highly. Joseph mayes From: lute-...@new-old-mail.cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of

[LUTE] Re: My web site (long and probably tedious)

2020-09-05 Thread David Smith
This is where I have some disagreement. Having a purely personal effort is great but fragile. If there was an international Lute body then it would be great. There isn't. So, who wants to take on the personal responsibility that Wayne has for all these years. My experience from running a

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