[LUTE] Re: Italian translations (ASAP)

2010-01-13 Thread howard posner
If someone actually has some of this stuff in digital form, maybe s/ he could post to the list. On Jan 13, 2010, at 3:49 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm in urgent need of some translations. Would anyone have and be able to send me translations for any of the following (in whole or part)?

[LUTE] Re: Italian translations (ASAP)

2010-01-13 Thread howard posner
On Jan 13, 2010, at 5:36 PM, howard posner wrote: If someone actually has some of this stuff in digital form, maybe s/ he could post to the list. Except perhaps for the modern essays, which are protected by copyright. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http

[LUTE] Re: Weiss Baroque Lute Comparison

2009-12-31 Thread howard posner
On Dec 30, 2009, at 11:32 PM, Edward Martin wrote: , but if the 2 lutes were strung similarly, one could get more of a sense of comparison. So your work's cut out for you. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2009-12-23 Thread howard posner
On Dec 23, 2009, at 7:51 AM, terli...@aol.com wrote: I am sure a singer of Josquin des Prez felt the same about hearing the lute torture such perfect vocal music. Unless, as is not unlikely, the singer and the lute player were the same person. -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2009-12-21 Thread howard posner
On Dec 21, 2009, at 8:28 AM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: That often played out in publication, but I don't know how big a role it played in novelty pieces in manuscript, especially given Bach's ties to any actual lute (rather than lautenwerk or via transcription by contemporary lutenists)

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte and guitars

2009-12-21 Thread howard posner
On Dec 21, 2009, at 7:00 AM, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: (Note that one puny bongo drum, played lightly by an inexpert player, can easily cover up the sound of 50+ classical guitars.) As the tympani, bass drum, cymbals, tam-tam, or gong (and, I'm sure, other percussion

[LUTE] Re: Liuto Bacho

2009-12-21 Thread howard posner
On Dec 21, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: Obviously not, and I should have been more clear. I was referring to what has survived of Bach's music bearing a lute designation or attribution. Especially if intended for actual rather than idealized hypothetical lutes (or

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office take two

2009-12-21 Thread howard posner
On Dec 21, 2009, at 6:48 AM, Monica Hall wrote: But surely the prohibition applied only to playing musical instruments in worship on the Sabbath not other days of the week. As a practical matter, it did, probably because of the lost-Temple business. I seem to remember when doing some study

[LUTE] Re: Liuto forte

2009-12-20 Thread howard posner
I've heard the guitar part in Mahler's Seventh Symphony done with a steel-string instrument. On Dec 20, 2009, at 7:54 AM, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Already with Webern we may ask ourselves what exactly the appropriate instrument really is. The Stauffer-style type of

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-20 Thread howard posner
On Dec 20, 2009, at 3:00 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: How about the proposition that there was no church in Italy in the first half of the17th century in which the singers all performed in the nude? Well.. who knows? But how likely is it? Neither likely nor apt as an analogy, since it doesn't

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office take two

2009-12-20 Thread howard posner
Sorry, left out a sentence, rendering the message rather obscure. On Dec 20, 2009, at 11:32 AM, howard posner wrote: Christian practice derives in large part from post-Temple Jewish practice, in which, traditionally, instruments are forbidden in services. Alexander points out

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-19 Thread howard posner
On Dec 19, 2009, at 3:44 AM, Monica Hall wrote: we should be cautiousl about claiming that what we do is historically accurate. And equally cautious about calling it historically inaccurate, or wholly inappropriate, nonsense or corny. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-18 Thread howard posner
On Dec 18, 2009, at 3:43 AM, Monica Hall wrote: to which I would respond - is there any authority for David's proposition other than his own whim? I'm not sure what David's proposition is, but yours seems to be something like, there was no church in Italy in the first half of the 17th century

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-17 Thread howard posner
On Dec 17, 2009, at 6:32 AM, Monica Hall wrote: May I ask what evidence there is that Monteverdi intended a baroque guitar to be included in the continuo group in the Vespers?!! That would be the least interesting of the performance practice questions you could ask. You might also ask about

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-17 Thread howard posner
On Dec 17, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote: But a theorbo among a string orchestra of even 3/3/2/1 on a part will simply not be heard in my listening experience. You mean you don't hear much of it as a discrete, identifiable sound. What you don't know is how different the

[LUTE] Re: another day at the office

2009-12-17 Thread howard posner
I think David's question was whether there was some authority for this proposition other than yourself. On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Monica Hall wrote: I can't believe this - it is all nonsense. There is a difference between sacred songs which may be dance like and intended to be performed

[LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria

2009-12-15 Thread howard posner
On Dec 15, 2009, at 1:45 AM, Ron Fletcher wrote: It is better to know the truth than to ruin this man's reputation as a good luthier by speculation and hearsay. The truth, according to several list members who say they have personal knowledge, is that Faria is long overdue in making

[LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria

2009-12-15 Thread howard posner
fraud. Just like you do not have to be a serial murderer to commit murder, or a thief to steal. - Original Message - From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 10:34 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria

[LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria

2009-12-15 Thread howard posner
On Dec 15, 2009, at 10:33 AM, vance wood wrote: Howard: With all due respects I sent your post along with my response to it; see below. However; that in itself is not important. The opinions are my own you only made a remark that spawned my remarks. Your words: It is better to know

[LUTE] Re: Luciano Faria

2009-12-14 Thread howard posner
I think you already knew the answer when you asked the question. If you like the other instrument and can afford to spend the money, buy it. If Faria ever delivers --don't hold your breath -- you can sell one archlute or the other; the market for continuo instrument is likely to stay

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET?

2009-12-13 Thread howard posner
overemphasis. RT - Original Message - From: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com To: BAROQUE-LUTE Lutelist baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:02 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? OK, gang: if you're using near equal temperament

[LUTE] Re: luciano faria

2009-12-11 Thread howard posner
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Guy Smith wrote: He's currently building me a theorbo, which should be ready soon. Let me know if you do end up in this corner of the country. No scotch at the moment, but I do have a bottle of excellent micro-distillery pear brandy I just want to remind

[LUTE] Re: Narciso Yepes and the lute

2009-12-08 Thread howard posner
On Dec 8, 2009, at 1:05 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote: Has anyone got this recording? I've heard the whole thing, and probably have a faded second- generation cassette of bits of it somewhere. It's not surprising that it's not available now; it's pretty choppy and stiff. Scuttlebutt in the 1980s

[LUTE] Re: Narciso Yepes and the lute

2009-12-08 Thread howard posner
Rob was talking about a complete recording of Bach's lute works (never mind what that actually means). Yepes stomped where angels feared to tread. On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Lex van Sante wrote: Eugen Muller Dombois did. (on a 14 course baroque lute). Gerwig did (on a ten course lute

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance Metaphors

2009-12-03 Thread howard posner
On Dec 3, 2009, at 7:34 AM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: The poem is not quite up to the eloquent heights of desperation evinced in a line like cigarettes and ice cream, but Darkness is still a pretty decent tune. The poem's definitely about depression. Not truly debilitating clinical

[LUTE] Re: Renaissance Metaphors

2009-12-02 Thread howard posner
On Dec 2, 2009, at 8:58 PM, Tom Draughon wrote: it seems obvious to me that The ground, the ground shall sorrow be... has multiple connotations - physically ground as in the foundation of a building, and musically ground as in variations on a ground. The roof despair... and ...walls of

[LUTE] Re: Left hand gut issues

2009-11-25 Thread howard posner
On Nov 25, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: A question for the no gut, no glory crowd. I have noticed that gut strings are stickier on my left hand fingers and sometimes when I lift off the string the stickiness can cause extraneous sounds. Have others noticed this and

[LUTE] Re: Left hand gut issues

2009-11-25 Thread howard posner
On Nov 25, 2009, at 9:00 AM, Daniel Shoskes wrote: String will stick to my finger and sometimes restrike as I lift off. You might want to try polished gut if you're not already using it. Or if you're using polished gut, the polish would be what's getting sticky, so try unpolished. You could

[LUTE] Re: Arabian past

2009-11-22 Thread howard posner
On Nov 22, 2009, at 6:43 AM, chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: Howard, --- On Sat, 11/21/09, howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com wrote: Various lutes were played for millenia in the Mediterranean basin So Chris Wilkes still has a long way to go. ? I haven't been a part

[LUTE] Re: Arabian past

2009-11-22 Thread howard posner
On Nov 21, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: As to the lack of central authority: the uniformity of ideology makes that unnecessary. I'm not sure what you mean by uniformity of ideology, but Islam has all sorts of conflicting views about everyday life, some of which (for example: how a

[LUTE] Re: String Question

2009-11-01 Thread howard posner
On Nov 1, 2009, at 12:23 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: Don't mix your strings. Different kinds on one instrument tend to create inbalance in sound and a lute harder to keep in tune. Not such a big problem for amateurs. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Interesting continuo group

2009-11-01 Thread howard posner
On Nov 1, 2009, at 2:01 PM, David Tayler wrote: I came across this quote from the book Venetian instrumental music from Gabrieli to Vivaldi by Eleanor Selfridge-Field dated 1607 Wow... you must have the first edition. Mine is the third, revised, 1994. There was a concert of the best

[LUTE] Re: String Question

2009-11-01 Thread howard posner
On Nov 1, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Daniel Winheld wrote: And just how old are your Pyramids? (Pharonic strings, which dynasty?) I don't know about David, but I have some Pyramid wound strings that have been on my instruments for nearly that long. After ten or fifteen years, they stop being too

[LUTE] Re: Interesting continuo group

2009-11-01 Thread howard posner
On Nov 1, 2009, at 4:42 PM, David Tayler wrote: Didn't know Usper wrote big stuff Nor I; it was speculation on my part that it was someone connected with San Salvador who wrote something that requires seven organs. Du Val's account, like Thomas Coryat's very similar one, is very tantalizing.

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Difference 13c.-11c. vs. 10c.-6c.?

2009-10-28 Thread howard posner
On Oct 28, 2009, at 6:40 PM, chriswi...@yahoo.com chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote: It may be a problem for us, but it wasn't for them. French lute music remained current throughout the German baroque. The Gaultier/Mouton La Belle Homicide shows up in the Augsburg ms. right alongside

[LUTE] Re: Continuo

2009-10-25 Thread howard posner
On Oct 25, 2009, at 9:02 PM, Bruno Correia wrote: Unfortunately I received a full score of the opera, which is very hard to acompany in this format. Is there a version for bass and the top line? That would save paper and make everything much easier (no page turns...). It might

[LUTE] Bream and Stravinsky

2009-10-24 Thread howard posner
On Oct 24, 2009, at 5:27 PM, Ed Durbrow wrote: What I want to know is who had Stravinsky heard play the lute before that. ??? Bream said I read that you find the lute very beautiful and an expressive instrument. He'd probably heard Bream. -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: Van Wilder

2009-10-10 Thread howard posner
Great performance; my compliments to La Stewart. The lower voice parts seem to lie very well on the lute. Did you drop it a (nominal) minor third? On Oct 10, 2009, at 5:03 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: Philip van Wilder and have arranged several of his part-songs for voice and lute. Here

[LUTE] Re: Anyone see Crawford Young's concert? (still puzzled)

2009-10-10 Thread howard posner
On Oct 10, 2009, at 3:31 PM, Guy Smith wrote: The feather he recommended using - the thin end of an ostrich feather, stripped down to just the spine - isn't all that different from a guitar string, just more fragile. He did have a well-developed historically-based rationale for using a

[LUTE] Re: Beethoven Quartets on period instruments

2009-10-09 Thread howard posner
On Oct 7, 2009, at 7:08 AM, nedma...@aol.com wrote: The Smithson String Quartet (of the Smithsonian Institution) has recorded Op. 18 on original instruments. Very fine playing and very nicely recorded. There are also recordings of opus 18 by Quatuor Mosaiques. There's some of it

[LUTE] Re: The reason we play lutes

2009-10-06 Thread howard posner
On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:41 AM, Christopher Stetson wrote: Have we noticed that almost all of the world finds both lutes and polyfoam musically boring and irrelevant, and therefore ignores both? Almost all the world does not know what a lute is, and therefore could not be bored by it. I've

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Women the Theorbo

2009-10-05 Thread howard posner
On Oct 5, 2009, at 6:07 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Are paintings an accurate representation of its use? Of course not. They represent what an artist thought someone would pay to have. The artists painted for patrons, not future musicologists. Was it primarily a woman's instrument (such

[LUTE] Re: Anyone see Crawford Young's concert?

2009-10-05 Thread howard posner
On Oct 5, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Stuart Walsh wrote: I'm not a plectrum player - but dabbling with plectrum play - and with a floppy feather which is possibly a bit mad. I wouldn't blame it for being very mad; I know how angry I'd get if someone kept bashing my head against a string. -- To get

[LUTE] Re: : Cost of a lute?

2009-10-01 Thread howard posner
On Oct 1, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: Merrill managed to pull off aluminum-backed instruments in the late 19th c: http://www.mugwumps.com/aluminum.htm Of course, they did have a wooden strip at the edge of shell for joining soundboard. I've handled guitars and

[LUTE] Re: Lute Factories

2009-09-30 Thread howard posner
Inventories of the Tieffenbrucker's shop on Moise Tieffenbrucker's death in 1581 included 160 lutes (ordinary and precious), unfinished lutes, necks, lute bodies and bellies, sawn ribs and lots of other parts and accessories, including 800 dozen thin lute strings and 24 dozen violin strings. The

[LUTE] Re: Lute Factories

2009-09-30 Thread howard posner
On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:37 AM, nedma...@aol.com wrote: But for me - returning to this instrument from the cello - I consider lutes cheap. The two local violin makers that build cellos were asking $12,000 to $15,000 for one of their cellos ten years ago. The luthier who made one

[LUTE] Re: Lute factories/cost of lutes.

2009-09-30 Thread howard posner
On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:06 PM, Christopher Stetson wrote: By the way, Howard; I'm still formulating my well-thought-out response to your pseudo-science remark. Better hurry. It expires after 48 hours. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-29 Thread howard posner
However, and I confess I don't remember the details, some researchers seem to think that there is an absolute pitch independent of memory. The problem with that, as we both realize, is that it presupposes something like a Platonic Ideal of A at 440 imbedded in our synapses.

[LUTE] Re: Newbie needs to know - where buy a lute and what type?

2009-09-29 Thread howard posner
On Sep 29, 2009, at 4:29 PM, luther maynard wrote: My name is Luther... I have the same questions, why isn't there a ready to buy lute for under $1000 for the beginner that doesn't need work right out of the box, because building a lute takes a lot of labor by a highly skilled

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-28 Thread howard posner
On Sep 28, 2009, at 9:01 PM, Christopher Stetson wrote: My question (not answered in the book): In which traditional scale does someone from, for example, Java have AP (or PP); slendro (5 unequally spaced tones to the octave), pelog (seven equally spaced tones), or both? I wish

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread howard posner
On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote: he piece RunStenand Varin said, by Michael Atherton, was set into tablature by the composer, because the composer PLAYs the lute. And did we notice that the second movement is a riff on the best- known of Besard's entrees? -- To get on

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread howard posner
On Sep 25, 2009, at 10:47 AM, howard posner wrote: And did we notice that the second movement is a riff on the best- known of Besard's entrees? I meant Ballard, of course. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-25 Thread howard posner
On Sep 25, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Them Egyptians had no tools to build pyramids either. Etruscans had no tools to build the city wall of Amelia. However we have those walls, and some early music playable only in ET. Your analogy is rather less solid than the pyramids. The

[LUTE] Re: New lute music

2009-09-25 Thread howard posner
On Sep 25, 2009, at 5:20 PM, David Rastall wrote: would have necessitated transpositions of as much as a minor third. Where does the color-coding idea fit into that scheme? You don't get a combination of colors; you get everybody playing out of tune. Probably not; see below. And what

[LUTE] Re: ET FunFest

2009-09-25 Thread howard posner
On Sep 25, 2009, at 6:14 PM, David Rastall wrote: Or maybe GP would have preferred Hey Jude sung as though it were Nessun dorma! Or Pavarotti singing Queen? http://www.youtube.com/watch?vÇFGPIRJx6I -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Jan Gruter's technique

2009-09-15 Thread howard posner
On Sep 15, 2009, at 7:43 AM, nedma...@aol.com wrote: I think of thumb-over as allowing use of m-i whenever desired. So, I think of the person useing thumb over technique as using m-i more than the person using thumb under - at least whenever bass notes are present along with

[LUTE] Re: Jan Gruter's technique

2009-09-15 Thread howard posner
On Sep 15, 2009, at 11:43 AM, nedma...@aol.com wrote: But, I am making a basic assumption (based upon a limited amount of reading) that a style of thumb-under technique was in general use before a style of thumb-over technique evolved and became also generally used. Also, that this later

[LUTE] Re: Jan Gruter's technique

2009-09-15 Thread howard posner
On Sep 15, 2009, at 2:33 PM, Antonio Corona wrote: Dear Howard, What is the source for the theory that in Spain and its areas of influence thumb-out was the norm? I suppose, since I already wrote I've long since forgotten the evidence for the south-to-north migration theory, BTW.

[LUTE] Re: Unbalanced

2009-09-11 Thread howard posner
For newcomers who look at the wikipedia article, Camilla de Rossi's Il Sacrifizio di Abramo is not a four-movement sinfonia but an oratorio with a four-movement sinfonia for strings and continuo (between the first and second parts) that has a prominent lute obbligato, which occasionally sounds

[LUTE] Re: Unbalanced

2009-09-11 Thread howard posner
On Sep 10, 2009, at 7:35 PM, EUGENE BRAIG IV wrote: The performer, Falletta, is now pretty famous as a guitarist and conductor; She now has a concerto competition named in her honor She's the music director of the Buffalo Philharmonic. How she gets the buffalos to play decently is a mystery.

[LUTE] Re: 10 cs lute case

2009-09-11 Thread howard posner
On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:26 AM, Edward Martin wrote: I actually have an aluminum case, which was built for me by a friend of Donna Curry. it works extremely well for air travel, but that was years ago. Building one of those things now might cost more than replacing the instrument. -- To get on

[LUTE] Re: Unbalanced

2009-09-11 Thread howard posner
On Sep 11, 2009, at 6:26 AM, Roland Hayes wrote: Funny. An orchestra in Buffalo must must not be able to play decently? He who laughs last doesn't get the joke... You might check out Sean Smith's post about the horn section. BTW I loved your intabulation of the polka and fugue from

[LUTE] Re: Women composers of lute music

2009-09-11 Thread howard posner
Check the back issues of the Q; somewhere I recall a story by Suzanne herself about the days when she and Poulton were both, ostensibly, students of Arnold Dolmetsch. As she tells it, they both had rather more on the ball than Dolmetsch did, which I can certainly believe, and sometimes his

[LUTE] Re: Imbalance

2009-09-10 Thread howard posner
On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Suzanne and Wayne wrote: Once you've been lurking on this list for awhile, you learn that it has a male geek bias. I've never expressed an opinion in favor of male geeks on this list. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Imbalance

2009-09-10 Thread howard posner
On Sep 10, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Mayes wrote: Do we care how many of our lute-playing colleagues are left-handed, Black, gay, moustachioed? Yes, no, no and yes, respectively, judging from recent posts. -- To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: Imbalance

2009-09-10 Thread howard posner
On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Ron Fletcher wrote: It has been mentioned that the flute and harp are considered as having female bias. So what is preventing females learning to play the lute? Geez Louise, guys. Someone wrote that 95 of the most recent 100 posts were from men. That highly

[LUTE] Re: Imbalance and Horcruxes

2009-09-10 Thread howard posner
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Laura Maschi wrote: Even if I can't play too well, I try to put my soul in it, You and Voldemort... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ton Koopperson - pitch of J S B Cantatas (YouTube)

2009-09-05 Thread howard posner
On Sep 5, 2009, at 6:07 AM, David Rastall wrote: But I don't understand: with all the transposing going on between 465, and 415, what is the outcome pitched at? When TK says, put the whole thing in Eb, and the thing is ready, my question is: Eb tuned in what?...415 or 465? They're playing

[LUTE] Re: Manuscript additions to Denss

2009-09-03 Thread howard posner
Thanks for the information. On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:24 PM, Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Howard, Some time ago you were asking about tablature sources where the tablature is like Luis Milan's, i.e. Italian tablature upside down. I notice that there is some music added to one of Denss's books,

[LUTE] Re: Any hints on how to develop improvisational ability?

2009-08-27 Thread howard posner
On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Christopher Witmer wrote: s improvisational ability something that you either have or you don't? Or is it something that can be learned? Are there any tips concerning how my daughter could most effectively approach this? I'm assuming the skills we're talking about

[LUTE] Re: Edward Martin/who nose?

2009-08-27 Thread howard posner
On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Antonio Corona wrote: They must be played with a somewhat fast air [so much for the slow pavan] and it is required that they be played twice or thrice (Debense tañer con el compas algo apresurado, y requierense tañer dos o tres veces). Milan does not say

[LUTE] Re: Edward Marvin/who nose?

2009-08-27 Thread howard posner
On Aug 27, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Antonio Corona wrote: You are quite right, but that was not the point I was trying to make. Rather than questioning how to manipulate the piece, I was trying to show the inconsistency of forcing a historic category into a context that contradicts it explicitly.

[LUTE] Re: BBC Radio 4 'Luting the Past'

2009-08-22 Thread howard posner
Nice line near the end: In this noisy world, I think of the lute as the still, small voice of truth. . I suppose Emma knows a still, small voice is how God appears to Elijah in 1 Kings 19: 12. On Aug 22, 2009, at 6:44 AM, Karen Hore wrote: Just saw this programme scheduled to be on

[LUTE] Re: Lute Lessons on YouTube

2009-08-15 Thread howard posner
On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Er - you need to take the gloves off when you play the lute. Is this true? Why didn't anyone tell me about this before? Somewhere between don't shift before a weak note and don't leave an empty case open when there's a cat around you'd think

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Various UPDATES, was Re: Savarez, Aquila Pyramid equivalencies

2009-08-04 Thread howard posner
Thanks for the handy reference, but the second link works only if gauges is spelled right: http://torban.org/images/string-gauges-conversion.pdf On Aug 4, 2009, at 10:46 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: 1. The 2 string conversion charts, plain and overspun, comfortably together -

[LUTE] Re: Old Post re Jazz? Morality? John Ashcroft?

2009-08-02 Thread howard posner
Some time ago -- I can't remember when -- there was a post or two about some government official endorsing the views of some other repressive somebodyorother to the effect that jazz was evil or subversive of authority because players didn't stick to what was written. There may have

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-31 Thread howard posner
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:35 AM, Daniel Winheld wrote: The mind is all! Can make a heaven out of hell and a hell out of heaven. The mind is its own place, and in it self Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n. --Satan in Paradise Lost, Book I -- To get on or off this list see list

[LUTE] Re: hasse opera arias lute ms.

2009-07-23 Thread howard posner
On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Roland Hayes wrote: What do we think of the ms. with continuo written above a part for 13c. lute in normal d minor tuning for certain arias? Is it a written-out accompaniment in tablature, clearly in d minor tuning, with Continuo written above it? Are these

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-20 Thread howard posner
On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: To clarify, Bob Lundberg did indeed think of the circa 60 cm lute as an 'alto' lute. You are right in pointing out that his book was not quite left fully edited as far as consistent terminology, etc. But I think he would stand

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-19 Thread howard posner
On Jul 19, 2009, at 9:29 AM, nedma...@aol.com wrote: In Robert Lundberg's book Historical Lute Construction there is a photograph of 5 lutes (pp.89); small-octave, descant, alto, tenor and bass. He lists the tunings for them as being d, a', g', e' d' respectively. While

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-19 Thread howard posner
On Jul 19, 2009, at 2:30 PM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Whether a lute is called an alto, a tenor, or whatever, is entirely a matter of taste, Terminology is entirely a matter of taste only when you're talking to yourself, or you're the first to use a term. Otherwise, it's a matter of convention.

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-19 Thread howard posner
On Jul 19, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Thomas Schall wrote: Which would lead to a standard pitch of a92-415 for the germany of the baroque. That's far too limited a range, a mere half tone. In Leipzig alone in Bach's day, there was a standard chorton (probably about 440) and a standard kammerton a

[LUTE] Re: Alto lute help

2009-07-18 Thread howard posner
On Jul 18, 2009, at 3:26 PM, Andrew Arconti wrote: I have been using the following tuning which I was told is what the instrument was made for: A, E, C You mean B? Or do you have it in guitar tuning? , G, D, A; but am curious if there are other tunings appropriate for a lute of this

[LUTE] Re: Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar

2009-07-16 Thread howard posner
On Jul 16, 2009, at 9:42 AM, Ron Andrico wrote: You California types are just going to have to work out what constitutes humor. We are eminently qualified for the task, having given the world Marx Brothers movies, I Love Lucy, Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. -- To get on or off this

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's baroque lute

2009-07-15 Thread howard posner
On Jul 15, 2009, at 12:35 AM, Lex van Sante wrote: Also Mr. Falkenhagen seems to have had a very big head in proportion to the rest of his body. If the artist/engraver didn't care about this would he be engraving the lute exactly as it was I wonder. The left hand also strikes me as

[LUTE] Re: Ukulele and Renaissance Guitar

2009-07-15 Thread howard posner
On Jul 15, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Orphenica wrote: My idea, as Ukuleles are quite small an robust, to me they seem to be a perfect instrument for travelling. About a thousand years ago when I went on the obligatory American student summer tour of Europe with backpack and Eurailpass, before

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-14 Thread howard posner
On Jul 14, 2009, at 6:11 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: Pardon my ignorance again, but is there any reason to connect Falkenhagen with the angelique? Did he write any music for it? Does any source mention him and the angelique? Why would that matter? Because he would not have sat for an

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-14 Thread howard posner
You did get a bit lost. Roman suggested that an engraving shows Falkenhagen with an angelique. I wanted to know if there was any evidence connecting Falkenhagen to the angelique, because Falkenhagen would not have posed for an engraving with the angelique if he didn't play it. He would have

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-14 Thread howard posner
On Jul 14, 2009, at 12:16 PM, David Tayler wrote: I'm assuming you are referring to the concertos and the trios, which form the majority of his output, in particular Op 3. Are these all for Angelique? I wasn't referring to anything at all, just asking a very basic question: is there any known

[LUTE] Re: Falkenhagen's Angelique

2009-07-13 Thread howard posner
On Jul 13, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: I've put together a page with the Falkenhagen engraving and a detail from an angelique that is VERY similar to the one he is playing - http://polyhymnion.org/swv/music/falkenhagen Interesting. Thanks for putting this up. I wonder if

[LUTE] Re: The Galliard

2009-07-12 Thread howard posner
On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:43 PM, nedma...@aol.com wrote: Thanks, Chris and Howard - I like your answers. I must admit that my curiosity will not be sufficient to motivate me to learn the dance You can get a basic sense of the scissoring kick-kick-kick-pause or jump from these:

[LUTE] Re: The Galliard

2009-07-11 Thread howard posner
On Jul 11, 2009, at 12:33 PM, nedma...@aol.com wrote: Do we know approximately what the tempo of the Galliard was when danced? Not really. We can only guess, based on what we know of the dance. The best way to judge is to try the dance yourself, which, in the case of the galliard, will

[LUTE] Re: Erzlaute

2009-07-10 Thread howard posner
On Jul 10, 2009, at 5:01 AM, Jerzy Zak wrote: Single strings or double courses? Of course, we know the man, his opus, obviously a swan neck lute, French tuning, bla bla bla, etc., etc. But stop automatic thinking, click again. Wishful thinking, a florish of knowledge or chaos of evidence? Is

[LUTE] Re: Looting for the truth

2009-06-30 Thread howard posner
On Jun 30, 2009, at 3:08 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: So, pointing at the bird I tell the audience I will play a duet with it. Miraculaously, it's tweeting an a' at 415, in a steady puls I can play Canarios to! Between phrases I stop to let it tweet a little solo. Best duet partner I ever

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: baroque lute song?

2009-06-16 Thread howard posner
On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:42 AM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Given the popularity of renaissance compositions for lute and voice, I am surprised that I have not seen a single baroque lute song (of course, i'm not a musicologist and may not be looking in the right places) You're not looking

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread howard posner
On Jun 15, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Michael wrote: I've played the guitar for 30 years and the thumb-under technique looks to me to be a tortured anachronism, I don't think it's tortured, though I don't play that way myself. Anachronism in this context is a pretty strange word choice. But Douglas

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread howard posner
On Jun 15, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: I have never heard of a luthier being asked to accommodate a different style of play in the string spacing at the bridge. Buyers often specify string spacing when they order a lute. I doubt they think about whether their style of play is

[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

2009-06-12 Thread howard posner
On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, morgan cornwall wrote: I have a question regarding Howard Posner's comment that a 7 course lute with the 7th course tuned to D is a different instrument than the 7 course lute tuned to F. Is it actually a different instrument, or was that a matter of

[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

2009-06-12 Thread howard posner
On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:20 AM, wayne cripps wrote: whatever lute you get, you will probably change your mind in a few years and want something different. So get a good lute that you can sell again. I run a 'lutes for sale' web page, and Larry Brown student lutes always sell well, and

[LUTE] Re: 10 course X Archlute

2009-06-12 Thread howard posner
On Jun 12, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Bruno Correia wrote: So, you say they are different animals, interesting... but soundwise, how would you describe both? More or less ressonant, brighter or darker tone, more powerful? Why Piccinini would prefer an archlute and Michelangelo Galilei

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