Dear luters:
What does the future hold the lute?
In the waning days of this wonderful email list (Thanks Wayne!!), I
thought I would invite thoughts regarding the future of the lute and
the lute community. As I muse, it seems that this present lute revival
started in 1960's - 70's
Isn't that 'Regressive' Rock?
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To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wed, Aug 19, 2020 6:37 am
Subject: [LUTE] Renaissance Music in Rock
Dear Fans of Progressive Rock:
I just accidentally found this album
[1]https://www.yout
Tristan:
This is a beautiful depiction of a brass strung Irish or Scottish harp
- or 'Clarsach'. The picture clearly shows the bowing of the
forepillar under the tremendous tension of the brass strings. These
clarsachs were traditionally played with long fingernails with a
compl
Dear wise luters:
When converting strings from nylon to gut to a synthetic gut, are there
simple multiplication factors that one can use to determine the
diameter of a replacement string? For example, if I have a 1mm nylon
string, and I want to replace it with a gut or synthetic gut,
My concern with a double top is longevity: How will that top hold up
50, 100, 150 years from now? Any structure built up from layers glued
together, and subject to vibration, will presumably come apart,
eventually. What will look like in a double top? Loose Braces, detached
bridges a
In reading about the use of bray pins on medieval and renaissance
harps, I read the following:
"The beautifully decorated
Capirola lute book, written in
Venice 1515-1520, states that
a player should 'make it so
that the first fret almost
touches the strings, and so on
to
e with the
results-
Cheers,
ted jordan
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From: Sean Smith
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Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2019 1:49 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Arcadelt
Theoj89294,
Jacob Arcadelt is wonderful composer to try your hand at transcribing
vocal works if you don&
Lutetopia:
Does anyone know if there is an in tabulation of the Arcadelt chanson
"nous voyons ques les hommes"? (It is a charming little tune). Thanks
trj
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Tristan:
interesting observation. I think that 'renaissance fairs' in the US,
from my experience, are most commonly full of an anachronistic mix of
European medieval AND renaissance stuff, and Viking, and fantasy.
Oddly, None of the fairs that I have attended (I haven't been to many)
Didn't a musician (lute player?) try to bite the thumb off another
musician? I can't remember the details-
I bet the disagreement was over tempered tuning.
They didn't have the internet back then.
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Given the book "The Song Machine: Inside the Hit Factory", by John
Seabrook, I would posit that the father has a much higher probability
of being more accurate, in that 'all pop music sounds the same', or
certainly -much- pop music sounds the same, no?
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F
Didn't Baron (In 'Study of the Lute' 1727) complain about the French
who 'scratched' at their lutes. Does this imply that they played with
nails? (I no longer have my copy of the Baron book, so I can't find the
original quote, and I well could be mistaken). trj --
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wandervogel movement and its music and its place in
history. Cheers, ted jordan-
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From: David Morales
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Cc: List LUTELIST
Sent: Wed, Sep 5, 2018 4:45 pm
Subject: Re: [LUTE] German Lute-guitars
Hello,
I asked for information about
Hello:
Does anyone know of a source of information about the turn of the 20th
century German lute-guitars ( or guitar-lutes?)? I am interested in
their apparent popularity: how they were used, and were they a serious
instrument? or romantic gimmick?
I recently bought one that is
All:
The Scottish Customs Tariffs of Oct 31, 1612 lists
"Luttes of Cullane with case" and
"Luttes of Venice with case".
Does anyone know what these terms Cullane and Venice mean?
There is also some information about strings: "catlingis" and
"manikins", and misc other music
Dear lutists:
Does anyone know if there is a baroque lute in tabulation of JS Bach's
Prelude in C major BMV 846, from the Well Tempered Clavier?
Thanks- theo jordan
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7hRdN00B3w&feature=youtu.be
Arto
On 19/02/18 08:06, howard posner wrote:
>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Arto Wikla <[3]wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
wrote:
>>
>> Dear theoj89294(?)
>>
>> Making an intabualation of that nice piece is not very co
Dear Lute community:
Are there any intabulations of the English tune 'Hole in the Wall'
(Playford?) for r or b lute? Many thanks, I've always liked that
melody. trj
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Having friends in psychology, economics, and marketing/advertising, we
have had this discussion over beer. And the general conclusion was that
most artists (including early music artists) ought not be lamenting
about why people don't show up to appreciate their art, but rather they
s
I run several several Windows-native programs on my mac seamlessly via
'VMWare'. Though I've run Fronimo only a wee bit, I had no problem
running it VMWare - highly recommended. trj
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"A Little Chaos" (court of France's Louis' XIV, directed by the late
Alan Rickman, 2014) would have been SOOO amazing had they invested in a
real french style baroque lute player. Instead, the 'lute' music cameo
ruined the film pour moi.
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All: Is the Yale, 'Wickhambrook' Lute Manuscript available online? I
haven't been able to find it-
Cheers, trj
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Giulio Cesare Barbetta's 1585 lute book (italian tab) is online through
the US Library of Congress:
https://www.loc.gov/item/2014572374/
This may be old news, but I just found it. Cheers, trj
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All:
Has the Giles Lodges Lute Book (Folger Shakespeare Library, Wash DC)
been reprinted or otherwise available? Thanks trj
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I have recently become fascinated by the life of singer/lutenist
Arabella Hunt, 1662-1705. Partially because she was reportedly quite
talented and had 'difficult music' written for her by John Blow and
Henry Purcell. And partly because, at 18 yrs old, she married a married
a man - wh
Variations on Greensleeves, and the 'Jews Dance' come to mind. Both available
through Tree, I believe and both quite fun to play.
> On Oct 12, 2015, at 22:46, Herbert Ward wrote:
>
> I have a chance to play music with a modern violinist.
> He's probably quite adept since he played with the
>
I learned many years ago about soap and chalk for pegs (I would think
chalk would have more 'bite' than talk) - and i keep a small remnant of
a piece of chalkboard chalk, and a small remnant of a bar of soap
conveniently hidden in a corner of all my lute cases (with a small
remnant o
Wow, "the (Spanish) Inquisition was rather mild" ? I was under the
impression that it was rather brutal. Emperor Rudolf II spent his
childhood with relatives in Spain and was so abhorred by the torutre
and murder of non Christians that, when he was Emperor he assured
religious tolera
A recent email from the Lute Society ominously listed the following new
item (below)
However - the online petition has been closed.
Does anyone have current details on this plan; when the musical
instrument gallery is slated to close, and whom to write to to protest?
What an ins
What a great recording! I received my copy the other day and listened
to it all day while working, never tiring of it. Very nice selection of
pieces, very nice sound, excellent playing. And the CD comes with a
lovely small booklet of liner notes.
I tend to like CDs like this, with p
Dear all:
I am looking for source(s) for in tabulations of Lutheran Hymns
for renaissance (or baroque) lute - preferably french tab. Looking for
either solo lute in tabulations or lute and voice; pieces suitable for
a Lutheran service (that I've been asked to play in Autumn). Martin
A lot of popular performers (e.g. Billy Joel, Elton John, etc) amplify their
Grand Pianos, and many use a Barcus Berry 'triplanar' contact pickup
http://barcusberry.com/product.cfm?ProductID=11
- which is actually amazing and sounds fantastic - too bad its too big for
guitars/lutes.
Having rep
I recently heard a rather experienced harp maker/designer talk about using
Savarez KF strings on his harps. Initially, when he strung a harp designed for
nylon or gut, the tone with KF strings was awful (using thinner diameters to
account for the higher density). So he redesigned the harmonic cu
While searching for medical remedies, I found that an Remedia Pharmacy
(Eisenstadt Austria) also produces a historic Larch rosin for bowed gut strung
instruments. The recipe is from Francesco Galeazzi's treatise 'Elementi teorico
pratici di Musica' - 1796(?). It is perhaps something to share wit
In the mid '80s, I was hired to play renaissance lute at some company's holiday
party, and I was instructed to show up in costume (I had recently done a
Twelfth Night in costume - and yes, there were tights). I arrived at the
address and entered a large crowded party room with a disc jockey, sou
Bill:
Check out the small lutes drawn by the Grassi Museum fur Musikinstrumente,
Leipzig. These are actual lutes made for an display of angels in the Freiberger
church in 1594. Even though they are small, they are real instruments. There
are four lutes, I think each is six-course. The shop webs
Might anyone have the tab for a tune in William Ballet's lute book, "Callino
casturame"? Apparently this is the earliest irish melody found in tab and is a
phonetic approximation of "CailÃn ó chois tSiúire mé" or "I am a girl from
Suirside". William Ballet's Lute book is currently on display
I am not a musicologist, so please forgive my ignorance. But I am confused,
sometimes manuscripts are identified by notations such as, e.g. "RM 4137 olim
Mf 2004" and sometimes as, e.g. "A-Wn MusHS 17706" - which makes a lot more
sense to me, because I realize this gives the country, and librar
Thanks! - It makes more sense that these asterixes means to hold. I have to
say, though, that stopping the notes at the asterix made some rather
interesting sounds and certainly brought out various voices! I guess I spent
too much time learning about wire strung clarsach technique where string
I was looking through Pierre Phalese, Hortus Musarum, 1552
(available online - search "Phalese Hortus IMSLP" )
Phalese puts an asterix (*) on the staff often sometimes multiple ones, and in
very specific placement, and I realized these must be markings to 'stop' a
string from sounding? I am very
Does anyone have a source of a lute in tabulation of Mille Regretz by Josquin
des Pres? Seems like I remember one, but cannot locate it. Cheers,
trj
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When learning music by ear, it helps to be able to slow down fast passages to
help discern the notes. Post vinyl LP, and Marantz 'Watergate" cassette
recorder, does anyone know of simple soft water that can do this? I am a mac
user (but can run windows on VMWare if I have to). Thanks!
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Nigel:
There are the quirky Freiberger catherdral lutes: These small lutes that were
part of a whole collection of instruments of an alter display from Frieberg
Cathedral in Saxony. They were removed during a restoration and examined, and
they are real instruments! The University in Leipzig made
Interestingly, from a neurophysiological standpoint, there are several
primitive reflexes that affect both hand and mouth - working with learning
disabled children one can clearly see how they grimace and contort their tongue
when trying to accomplish fine motor coordination. Likewise, childre
I love the rose - and I assume it is not a historical reproduction? and is it
the same rose that is on the front of Nigel North's "Baroque Lute (Bach,
Vivaldi, Weiss)" Honest - Linn Records - HON CD 5006?
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How does one get others interested in lute? Marketing.
All lute players should contribute to a hollywood lobbyist fund where a lute
'product placement' could be made in the next historical film that utilizes
swords and corsets. Better yet,let the hero seduce the heroine with a lute
song, and r
I will be near den Haag, NL, in September. The Gemeentemuseum looks to have a
good collection of lutes, but does anyone know if there are any on display?
Would it be worth spending a day to visit the museum, if my main goal is to
view the lute collection? Thanks-
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The heads all bear a very feminine appearance, so I am surprised it is meant to
represent Cupid, but looks can be deceiving (e.g. Carravagio's lute player - I
also thought was a woman).
On Jul 11, 2013, at 13:59, "Franz Mechsner" wrote:
> I found this:
>
> http://violadamore.com/index.p
Off topic question: When visiting musical instrument museums, there are many
viols, and especially viola d'amores, that, instead of a scroll, have the head
of a girl carved with a blindfold over her eyes. These carvings are always
carved beautifully. My question is; what is the significance of t
Excuse my ignorance, but wouldn't support blocks under the bars be a very
possible source of buzzing? ..unless one used glue, in which case top removal
would be much more difficult?
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From: Martyn Hodgson
To: David Van Edwards
Cc: Lute builder Dmth
Sent: Fri, Feb 8,
Does anyone have a source -ren lute tab and voice - for the songs in
Shakespeare's Twelfth Night? I transcribed these by ear over three decades ago
off of someone's LP for a production when I was in college, but only the vague
melodies in my head remain. I have the Brian Wright's great scores,
I'll try again:
http://www.lutevoice.com/luteiconography/Page%204.html
Got to the painting by J.G. Platzer; an apparently non-offset theorbo neck
extension.
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From: William Samson
To: David Van Edwards
Cc: Lute List
Sent: Mon, Feb 4, 2013 1:53 pm
Subject: [LUTE]
Perhaps:
http://www.lutevoice.com/luteiconography/SlideShow_assets/SlideShow.html?lang=en
?
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Subject: [LUTE] Lute painting
I wonder what the layout of the upper head of this lute might be?
There is a 5 minute radio report on "OP" (original pronunciation) of
Shakespeare's time
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4761275
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From: Herbert Ward
To: lute
Sent: Sun, Dec 30, 2012 12:28 pm
Subject: [LUTE] English in the time of Dowland.
Suppo
I will be in Austria, and am thinking of traveling to Kremsmünster to see the
lute collection at the Benediktinerstift. Has anyone seen the collection, and
would it be worth the trip? Also, Are there any other lute collections in the
are worth visiting. I have already seen the museum lute colle
>>if there were ever a true interruption of goods flowing to the market
shelves. As projected in several Twilight Zone episodes, I'm afraid
we would see much panic and savagery as a result.
lute music would definitely temper that. lots of lute music
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A great site for lute iconography:
http://www.klassiskgitar.net/imagesmain.html
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From: Alain Veylit
To: AJN
Cc: joshua-horn ; lute
Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:30 pm
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute artwork
There are also a few paintings at musickshandmade.com/lute/paintin
There is a triple headed Theorbo or Angelique in the München Stadtmuseum
(9-126), that has all ivory on the neck as well as the body - obviously a late
modification. I posted photos on the http://lutegroup.ning.com site. trj
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I will be in London for a few days and would like to see a few historical
lutes. I don't think the V&A collection is on display yet at the Horniman, A
year ago, I dropped in to see the Royal Academy instrument collection (they
have the Robert Spencer lutes I understand, but no lutes were on di
Hunting seems to have been a popular theme for music. I remember hearing an
historical recording of an old irish uillean piper who played a 'suite' of
melodies of "The Foxhunt" - musically depicting all stages of the hunt, even
including the barking of the dogs and the wailing of the mortally wo
A beautiful and deeply touching presentation. Thank you. trj
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Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:36 am
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] modern lute music v Eastern wisdom
In May I played a piece by Brian Wright at
Brass strings (or an alloy closer to bronze) were used on irish and scottish
harps from the 1300s onward. It would not be surprising that a lute player
might possibly use them for bass strings. I shudder to think what tension they
might have pulled on those strings, though. trj
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I use a Tascam DR-08 and am very happy with it. The little microphones built in
give pretty decent sound reproduction, but I have tried several higher quality
plug in mics with better results, (Or, if there is a sound man at a concert, I
have had him plug the unit directly into the soundboard th
The Lee Valley tool company of Canada published a full page picture of a 13c
baroque lute (by David Weston of Merrickville, Ontario, Canada).
http://www.leevalley.com/US/home/OnlineCatalogs.aspx
Click on the June 2012 supplement
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Given the severe scalloping in some of the iconography (although it
might be artist license on part of the painter), I wonder if some of the early
makers made very thick ribs out of a relatively soft wood, and then scraped the
ribs to scallop them. This would give nice thick robust glue joints b
I bought a 7c ren lute strung in Nylgut. I love the Nygut, except for the
chanterelle, it just doesn't seem to feel or sing as strongly as I wish - it
seems thin. Do others have this problem? If so any suggestions, I've thought of
going back to a nylon (which would be thicker?). Thanks in advanc
Holy Roman Emperor Rudolf II from Bohemia (ca late 1500s -1612?), was such a
patron of the arts and sciences, did he sponsor any significant
lutenist/composers? Are there collections (Mss, books) from this era during his
reign? It seems like Bohemia, esp Prague, under Rudolf II was a very
intel
With summer theatre production fast approaching, Any recommendations for
amplification of a ren lute for outside (shakespeare in the park) performance?
Sitting in front of a mic? (what kind - diaphragm/condenser?)
Attached transducer? What kind? Does anyone stroll while amplified? Anyone have
In my humble opinion: one chooses an instrument as one chooses a mate; but for
an instrument it is primarily playability and sound. Nothing else matters. As
in choosing a mate, others may think your choice beautiful, or ugly, easy or
difficult. As long as YOU are in love, and your needs are met,
Is there any scholarly description of, discussion of, or list of tunes in the
Staatsbibliothek - Berlin, Ms 4022. On first glance, it looks interesting. trj
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From: Rainer
To: Lute net
Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 1:57 pm
Subject: [LUTE] 4022, 40588
Go to http://digital.s
The problem with ALL self-publishing: there are no editors.
At the current increasing rate of low quality product uploaded onto the web (in
all media), I wonder what the web will look like in 10 years. Will it even be
possible to find quality?
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I would consider this quite a compliment! - I've played plenty of gigs where
the musician is absolutely, totally ignored. To have your music effect the
crowd in such a way gives you the power to direct the crowd's mood as you
please! And, did it 'dampen the crowd' or did it elicit more quiet l
Human skin is acidic - we secrete weak acids through our skin - even the
fingertips. This acid will slowly break down the collagen in the gut strings,
thus shortening their lives. It is a good idea to wash one's hands (even if
they are clean!) with soap before playing (soap is alkaline and neu
I am looking to attend a conference in Prague an a few months. I am thinking of
taking the train over to see the lute collection in Nuremberg.
Are there any historical lutes to be seen in Prague or nearby (other than
Vienna)? thanks, trj
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As a physician, I doubt it would do anything for the fingertips because players
fingertips are calloused, and astringents (such as witch Hazel) work to
constrict softer and less keratinized tissues, such as the face, or especially
mucous membranes. trj
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I recently heard Paul O'Dette perform, and he mentioned that Dowland's Farewell
(from the Cambridge ms?), beautifully and masterfully quotes up to 14 of
Dowland's own compositions - making it a perfect Farewell. Has anyone written
about this, and dissected the Farewell to identify the various 'q
There is a fairly 'new' approach to elbow pain from epicondylitis (tennis
elbow), involving using a stiff but flexible bar. This, like several new
approaches, works by 'turning off' reflexes through antagonistic muscle action
and a combination of concentric and eccentric motion muscle contracti
I just had the great pleasure of visiting MIM - the recently opened Musical
Instrument Museum - in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. It is a beautiful and spacious
museum. Music traditions from all around the world are displayed by region or
country with authentic instruments and many fascinating field
I just had the great pleasure of visiting MIM - the recently opened Musical
Instrument Museum - in Phoenix, Arizona, USA. It is a beautiful and spacious
museum. Music traditions from all around the world are displayed by region or
country with authentic instruments and many fascinating field vid
Don't smoke (nicotine squeezes down blood vessels). I hate to mention it...but
alcohol is a vasodilator and will generally warm up the fingertips, but alcohol
also decreases motor activity and accuracy...are you just playing background
music? ;-)
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Is there a Savarez dealer in the USA? I am looking to try the Alliance KF
strings on a renaissance lute (unless members of this newsgroup warn me not
to..) And how do I calculate thicknesses to order?Thanks, trj
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Take great care with stretching exercises of the hand!! I deal fairly often
with musicians' injuries, and musicians are nearly as bad as competitive
athletes as far as abusing their bodies to try to get better performance.
Remember that Robert Schumann permanently damaged his right hand trying t
A beautiful collection, and many thanks for the hard work that went into
creating this! I wish, however, that more images would complete information
regarding in what museum or collection the painting resides. I love browsing
through all of these images, there always seems to be something new an
IMHO, I find the ornaments - both the interpretation as well as their execution
- devilishly difficult for the french baroque lute... at least to the point of
making them sound elegant and effortless. I think there are subtleties with
baroque lute that create challenges. Ren & Baroque both chall
Are there any technical drawings of a 'French-head' (double head - one bent
back, basses on a straight extension) lutes from any collection available?
Thanks in advance. trj
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Does anyone know the status of the Wemyss manuscript.
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/julia/ap1/Wemyss.htm
If memory served. the manuscript was privately owned but held by in the
Edinburgh library(?). I have an old photocopy, and was wondering, if I scanned
it electronically, if it would be
Faint: possibly past tense of "feign" - spelt in a non-standardized way?
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If one were planning a trip to europe this summer (with a rail pass), and
wanted to see up to four of the best museum collections of lutes, which museums
should be on the list? thanks -trj
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What is the current consensus of Ernst Pohlmann's book, "Laute, Theorbe,
Chitarrone"
Is it still reliable enough to use as a reference, or is it getting outdated?
Is there any work to update the material?
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The great thing about harp strings is that they come in three colors -
natural, black and red.
You could string your basses all in red harp string so that they look like the
renaissance loaded guts ;-)
trj
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I was recently at a harp convention (wife is a harpist), and a harp repairman
told me about a new advance in strings from Savarez,
that they have produced a nylon string (NOT carbon fibre, nor other synthetic)
that has fibres of some sort imbedded within,
The fibres apparently lend both stren
How about just calling it "late 11-course literature"? ...just a thought:
inclusive of anything up to and including Kellner, exclusive of 13 course
literature (which encompasses most Galant?)
trj
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Sent: Sun, Sep 12, 2010 8:37
Are there plans drawn and available for the Warwick Frei lute?
I note that the English lute society has plans based on a Frei:
http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/pages/catalogue
http://www.lutesoc.co.uk/uploads/catalogue/Plans,%2010,11%20course.jpg
And the Guild of American Luthiers has a plan based on a
The libraries need money to continue their important work.
There are persons scattered around the world with keen interest in having some
of these libraries' holdings digitized (such as lute enthusiasts).
Wouldn't it be the best of both worlds if groups of enthusiasts could
'organize': Through
Could anyone help me understand the definition of 'Galant' music?
Does it refer only to lute music, or to the period/style.
What are its characteristics - if they can be summed up?
Which composers would be considered most typical of Galant style?
Thanks for helping a enthusiastic beginner furth
Are there any native mac programs (for the intel based macs) to write lute tab?
(rather than running windows on a mac)
trj
BTW: I have VMware Fusion on my mac, and HIGHLY recommend VMware over their
competitor, but still would rather work in mac OS if possible
Anyone out there
Recent neurophysiologic studies confirm that just imagining the movements in
your mind fires neurons in the motor cortex and facilitates the motor learning
of complex movements. Many athletes and musicians instinctively 'practice' this
way - by just imagining the movement - it speeds the acquis
If one has performed so much manual gripping that one's hand is 'stuck' in a
contracted fist-like condition, or just very stiff to opening and closing the
fingers, the problem isn't just in the hand - all of the flexor and extensor
muscles that move the fingers are in the forearm, so it would he
I found that wearing heavy, preferably leather gloves tend to help prevent
booth finger stiffness and skin roughness. It prevents getting dirt under the
nails as well.
It is interesting to look at rural cultures where the farmers also also
musicians - fiddle players, etc. Their playing definit
It seems that much of the French 11c music is very idiomatic, with complex
ornaments, almost like learning a new language (in this instance, french).
Whereas, the German 13c literature is less intertwined with ornaments, more
'understandable' (?), but maybe more technically challenging in some w
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