[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-16 Thread Christopher Stetson
que lute is at least as important or more important than having health insurance. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, "Mathias Roesel" wrote: From: "Mathias Roesel" Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice To: "Lute list" Date: Tuesday, June 16, 200

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-16 Thread Roman Turovsky
Lute list" Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice Chris, when my former wife moved out, she took all the furniture. Said, I've got them lutes. Somehow, she was right. Yet, health insurance and lutes, you'll need both >8) Mathias .

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-16 Thread Mathias Rösel
ias Roesel" wrote: From: "Mathias Roesel" Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice To: "Lute list" Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:30 AM "But this is the last one, no?" my former wife used to say >8) Mathias <[1]chriswi...@

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-16 Thread chriswilke
important than having health insurance. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, "Mathias Roesel" wrote: From: "Mathias Roesel" Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice To: "Lute list" Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 10:30 AM "But this is the last o

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-16 Thread Mathias Rösel
"But this is the last one, no?" my former wife used to say >8) Mathias schrieb: > Howard, > I stick by my assertion, "there's no such thing as a single >lute." True, none of my instruments are joined in a civil union that >is (at this time) legally recognized by any state,

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-16 Thread chriswilke
Howard, I stick by my assertion, "there's no such thing as a single lute." True, none of my instruments are joined in a civil union that is (at this time) legally recognized by any state, but they peacefully live together in a much larger commune than the singular number I ha

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-16 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jun 16, 2009, at 3:49 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: >I know I am sticking my neck way out here, but I thought I'd > throw in >my 2 cents - let the flames begin! > >As I see it, in the early days of both lute and guitar, the > technique >was largely the same: thumb-under, pinky on th

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread howard posner
On Jun 15, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Mayes, Joseph wrote: > I have never heard of a luthier being asked to accommodate a > different style of play in the string spacing at the bridge. Buyers often specify string spacing when they order a lute. I doubt they think about whether their style of play is dif

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread howard posner
On Jun 15, 2009, at 4:51 PM, Michael wrote: > I've played > the guitar for 30 years and the thumb-under technique looks to me to > be a tortured anachronism, I don't think it's tortured, though I don't play that way myself. "Anachronism" in this context is a pretty strange word choice. > But Do

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread Guy Smith
, 2009 7:13 PM To: Michael Cc: Lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice There is an absolutely practical need for the "thumb-under" for the lutes with lighter strings, lighter tops, and lower tension then harp or guitar. On modern harp there is no chance of striking the string along

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread alexander
There is an absolutely practical need for the "thumb-under" for the lutes with lighter strings, lighter tops, and lower tension then harp or guitar. On modern harp there is no chance of striking the string along its length, (as lute's thumb-under would encourage), exactly because of the string

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread chriswilke
st utilizes.) Still, things don't transfer quite that easily... Chris --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Michael wrote: From: Michael Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice To: "Mayes, Joseph" , "Lute list" Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 7:51 PM Thank you

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread Michael
Thank you, Joseph, for sticking your neck out. I've been a bit confused about the technique issue and how it might relate to a guitar player's technique for some time now. I've played the guitar for 30 years and the thumb-under technique looks to me to be a tortured anachronism, but I've spoken w

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread Leonard Williams
If strings are spaced too closely to each other in the "plucking zone", it becomes difficult to get a clean pick with thumb in--there's more of a lateral sweep at 90 degrees across the strings with the breadth of the fingertip. With guitar (thumb out) technique, the fingers dig in a little more wi

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread chriswilke
wrote: From: Mayes, Joseph Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice To: "Michael" , "Lute list" Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 2:49 PM I know I am sticking my neck way out here, but I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents - let the flames begin!

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread Mayes, Joseph
12:50 PM To: Lute list Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > If you are a guitarist, one has to ask if you are planning on playing with guitar technique or plan on learning lute technique. This makes a difference for the s

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-15 Thread Michael
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Ed Durbrow wrote: > If you are a guitarist, one has to ask if you are planning on playing with > guitar technique or plan on learning lute technique. This makes a difference > for the spacing of the courses at the bridge. Could someone please address this issue i

[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

2009-06-13 Thread Leonard Williams
I play an 8-course, all gut, with gimped low F and D basses. Occasionally I like to tune the D down to C, and just that one tone difference was difficult to string for: proper tension D was too flabby for the C. I fooled around with Arto's calculator to get a nice compromise diameter: not

[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

2009-06-12 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jun 13, 2009, at 3:02 AM, howard posner wrote: > Strings that will be good for an F should be pretty > flabby for a D. Personally, I haven't found that to be an issue on my 7 course, but right now it has an overspun and a Nylgut octave. Maybe it would be more difficult with gut. I will find

[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

2009-06-12 Thread angevinews
> On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:20 AM, wayne cripps wrote: > > > whatever lute you get, you will > > probably change your mind in a few years and want something > > different. So get a good lute that you can sell again. I > > run a 'lutes for sale' web page, and Larry Brown student lutes > > always s

[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

2009-06-12 Thread howard posner
On Jun 12, 2009, at 11:20 AM, wayne cripps wrote: > whatever lute you get, you will > probably change your mind in a few years and want something > different. So get a good lute that you can sell again. I > run a 'lutes for sale' web page, and Larry Brown student lutes > always sell well, and s

[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

2009-06-12 Thread wayne cripps
I will add my two cent's worth - whatever lute you get, you will probably change your mind in a few years and want something different. So get a good lute that you can sell again. I run a 'lutes for sale' web page, and Larry Brown student lutes always sell well, and sometimes can be gotten for

[LUTE] Re: First Lute Advice, part II

2009-06-12 Thread howard posner
On Jun 12, 2009, at 10:56 AM, morgan cornwall wrote: > I have a question regarding Howard Posner's comment that a 7 course >lute with the 7th course tuned to D is a different instrument > than the >7 course lute tuned to F. Is it actually a different > instrument, or >was that a matt

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread Guy Smith
h.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: First lute advice There will be/already have been plenty of lutes at BEMF. The LSA has a booth and has sponsored a concert featuring up and coming lute players: Salome Sandoval Dieter Hennings Chris Wilke Chris is on the list, so perhaps he will make

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread Nancy Carlin
There will be/already have been plenty of lutes at BEMF. The LSA has a booth and has sponsored a concert featuring up and coming lute players: Salome Sandoval Dieter Hennings Chris Wilke Chris is on the list, so perhaps he will make some comments on this. There are also a numbe

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread howard posner
On Jun 11, 2009, at 6:53 AM, morgan cornwall wrote: >Of the 6, 7, and 8 course lutes, it would seem that a 7 course lute >would be most practical. It would allow me to play the earlier >repertoire as well as most of the Dowland pieces. It doesn't > seem like >there is a whole lot

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread wikla
On 6/12/2009, "Rob MacKillop" wrote: >Regarding the 8c/7c question, there are many players who switch the >lower two courses around, so you have a 'normal' 7c with the 7th course >at D, plus an extra F on the 8th course. I haven't done this myself, >but wonder if it is a good idea

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread demery
6,7,8 course Much depends on what you want to play. And also how you intend to play. Some play alone, others in consort. Some consorts are more formal than others. A sunday afternooon jam session or a pickup band playing for dancers is going to be far less formal than a collegium musicum or a

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread demery
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009, morgan cornwall said: >Hello, > > > >I am looking for advice on a first student lute hopefully you have a teacher to discuss this with, even if they mainly do guitar, cant hurt to ask, you never know. Not the first time this Q has been posed here, take some time

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread demery
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009, Nigel Solomon said: > Rob MacKillop wrote: > >> Regarding the 8c/7c question, there are many players who switch the >> lower two courses around, so you have a 'normal' 7c with the 7th course >> at D, plus an extra F on the 8th course. I haven't done this myself, >>

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread Nigel Solomon
Rob MacKillop wrote: Regarding the 8c/7c question, there are many players who switch the lower two courses around, so you have a 'normal' 7c with the 7th course at D, plus an extra F on the 8th course. I haven't done this myself, but wonder if it is a good idea? Rob -- To get o

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread Rob MacKillop
Regarding the 8c/7c question, there are many players who switch the lower two courses around, so you have a 'normal' 7c with the 7th course at D, plus an extra F on the 8th course. I haven't done this myself, but wonder if it is a good idea? Rob -- To get on or off this list

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-12 Thread Ed Durbrow
On Jun 11, 2009, at 10:53 PM, morgan cornwall wrote: > Number of courses: > >Of the 6, 7, and 8 course lutes, it would seem that a 7 course lute >would be most practical. It would allow me to play the earlier >repertoire as well as most of the Dowland pieces. It doesn't > seem like

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-11 Thread Lex van Sante
There is an 11 rib Tieffenbrucker model ca. 1600 which is very comfortable to hold. Because of the low number of ribs it is relatively cheap to make. The original (which is in the Viennese Kunsthistorisches Museum) has been modified into a 13 course baroque lute by Thomas Edlinger in 1728.

[LUTE] Re: First lute advice

2009-06-11 Thread David van Ooijen
Dear Morgan >   I am looking for advice on a first student lute, in this case a >   renaissance lute.  If this email is inappropriate for this list, or Best place to ask, as you'll find many contradictory aswers. Welcome to the club. >   Of the 6, 7, and 8 course lutes, it would seem that a 7 c