[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-19 Thread Markus Lutz
Yes, that is true. Johann Gottfried Conradi was a publisher in Francfurt/Oder. There are other books, that had been published by him, as Memorabilia Brandenburgica oder Brandenburgische Denckwürdigkeiten ... Franckfurt an der Oder, bey Joh. Gottfried Conradi He probably lived in Stettin and

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread r . turovsky
as published posthumously). >>> And >>> a thinking person observes how authors and musicians would >>> participate >>> in a salon atmosphere under the patronage of someone like Lucy >>> Countess >>> of Bedford. >>> I have had the opportunity to d

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread Mathias Rösel
own name, as he belonged to the nobility. >> >> Mathias >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App >> --- Original-Nachricht --- >> Von: T.J.

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 18, 2018, at 6:40 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > The computer analysis of Shakespearian vocabulary that pinned it on a single > individual from Warwickshire That rules out Shakespeare, who was married. To get on or off this list see list information at

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread T.J. Sellari
_ From: [5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of howard posner <[7]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 2:43 AM To: Lute net Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread Alain Veylit
Zut alors... A good reminder one should always cite one's sources, just in case they are really silly On 09/18/2018 03:04 AM, Rainer wrote: On 17.09.2018 23:23, Ido Shdaimah wrote:     I hereby propose the following theory: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina     is a fiction; much like Santa

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread David van Ooijen
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[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread Roman Turovsky
: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of howard posner Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 2:43 AM To: Lute net Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language Ron Andrico wrote: > > As for the less-than-eloquent William Shakespeare, it's just plain silly to think he actually

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread Rainer
On 17.09.2018 23:23, Ido Shdaimah wrote: I hereby propose the following theory: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina is a fiction; much like Santa Claus, if you will. From Joseph Zuth: "Handbuch der Laute und Gitarre", entry on page 36 Bergier, Ungay, 16. Jhdt. (?), In einem alten alten

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-18 Thread Alain Veylit
Small letters: I was referring to small print warnings on most credit card, mortgage, etc, application forms. My most recent encounter was on a bottle of French wine, in gold letters on a burgundy colored sticker that literally required a microscope to read. It said: indication

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread RCP
I do so love the pointless bickering. It buoys our spirits and makes better lutenists of us all! Pray do carry on! Bob Purrenhage On 9/17/2018 10:43 PM, howard posner wrote: Ron Andrico [1] wrote: As for the less-than-eloquent William Shakespeare, it's just plain silly to thi nk

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 17, 2018, at 1:37 AM, Alain Veylit wrote: > > look for something called "law French", a language understood only by English > lawyers and very much alive until at least the 18th century. It makes modern > legaleeze sound simple, Law English is still largely French: words like

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread howard posner
Ron Andrico wrote: > > As for the less-than-eloquent William Shakespeare, it's just plain silly to > think he actually wrote the canon commonly attributed to his name. He was a > player, a station lower than that of a professional musician. He was a landowner, a station rather higher than

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread T.J. Sellari
, September 17, 2018 9:23 PM To: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language I hereby propose the following theory: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina is a fiction; much like Santa Claus, if you will. You see, I, among a

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Ido Shdaimah
]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language I hope we might include Shakespeare scholars in the group of "thinking" people who have considered this question; they indeed have made the relevant scholarship

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread T.J. Sellari
mber 17, 2018 5:36 PM To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language I hope we might include Shakespeare scholars in the group of "thinking" people who have considered this question; they indeed have made the

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Mathias Rösel
his own name, as he belonged to the nobility. Mathias ___ Gesendet mit der [1]Telekom Mail App --- Original-Nachricht --- Von: T.J. Sellari Betreff: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language Datum: 17.09.2018, 1

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2018-09-17 Thread Rainer
On 17.09.2018 17:19, T.J. Sellari wrote: Re: Shakespeare authorship question There are many theories that purport to cast doubt on Shakespeare's authorship of the plays attributed to him, but scholars of English Renaisssance literature consider them largely nonsense. I suggest

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Mathias Rösel
at does this have to do with lute music anyway? __ From: [2][3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[3][4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of T.J. Sellari <[4][5]tsell...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:19 PM To: [5][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.e

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread T.J. Sellari
018 3:19 PM To: [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language Re: Shakespeare authorship question There are many theories that purport to cast doubt on Shakespeare's authorship of the plays attributed to him, but

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Roman Turovsky
does this have to do with lute music anyway? __ From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of T.J. Sellari Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 3:19 PM To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language

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2018-09-17 Thread Dan Winheld
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awful English language Re: Shakespeare authorship question There are many theories that purport to cast doubt on Shakespeare's authorship of the plays attributed to him, but scholars of English Renaisssance literature

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread T.J. Sellari
stance. __ From: [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu <[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu> on behalf of Alain Veylit <[5]al...@musickshandmade.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 8:37 AM To: howard posner; Lute net Subject: [LUTE] Re: The awfu

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-17 Thread Alain Veylit
If you really want to have a blast at the awful English language, look for something called "law French", a language understood only by English lawyers and very much alive until at least the 18th century. It makes modern legaleeze sound simple, although still difficult to read because in very

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-16 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 12:14 PM, Matthew Daillie > wrote: > > You might be interested in this video which summarizes some of the research > carried out by David Crystal et al on English pronunciation at the time of > Shakespeare (and Dowland) and the productions of his plays at the Globe >

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-16 Thread Matthew Daillie
Hi Howard, You might be interested in this video which summarizes some of the research carried out by David Crystal et al on English pronunciation at the time of Shakespeare (and Dowland) and the productions of his plays at the Globe theatre using 'Original Pronunciation':

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-16 Thread howard posner
> On Sep 16, 2018, at 5:22 AM, Rainer wrote: > > Have a closer look at the spelling - which became somewhere infamous :) The to-do about Shakespeare’s spelling is really much ado about not much. English spelling was not standardized in his day. English pronunciation itself varied greatly

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-16 Thread Christopher Barker
And this, Gentle Souls, is why the old Book of Common Prayer is such a literary joy! On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:23 AM Rainer <[1]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de> wrote: Have a closer look at the spelling - which became somewhere infamous :) Rainer On 16.09.2018 14:06,

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-16 Thread Rainer
Have a closer look at the spelling - which became somewhere infamous :) Rainer On 16.09.2018 14:06, EDWARDS DAVID wrote: Mary Boleyn? On 16 September 2018 at 09:49 Rainer wrote: Dear lute netters, a little puzzle for fans of Elizabethan music and literature (do not use

[LUTE] Re: The awful English language

2018-09-16 Thread Jo.Luedtke
‎Well, ytt is signéd bye one 'Rainer'!  ;) Joe the Word Botcher   Originalnachricht   Von: Rainer Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. September 2018 11:49 An: Lute net Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] The awful English language Dear lute netters, a little puzzle for fans of Elizabethan