Dear Vance,
you have the official and easiest explanation for the
holocaust (you're missing a few important elements, I would recommend you
some serious historians rather than Hollywood movies), and I insist:
according to serious researchers, Judaism is not a race. But do not
rofl
-Original Message-
From: Roman Turovsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:11 PM
To: Vance Wood; lute list
Subject: Re: State of Lutenet (was Size of the lute world)
Sorry Roman again you are wrong, Bonsai is not an ethnic group within a
group of
Ariel: I never said Judaism was a race, you had better read the string
again, Judaism is the religion practiced by the Jewish people in general and
various others that choose to accept it. I had a history minor in
University, though I am not a source authority I am not ignorant as you
seem
Vance said:
I never said Judaism was a race, you had better read the string
again, Judaism is the religion practiced by the Jewish people in general
and
various others that choose to accept it.
This is not what you've said, but doesn't matter.
I was a fool by getting into this particular thing
No, he tossed it out openly, if it is true why should he be ashamed of the
circumstances.
Vance Wood.
- Original Message -
From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: State
Dear Ariel:
I AM NOT THE ONE WHO KEEPS ASKING ME THE QUESTIONS. I don't care if MT is a
Druid. However he used the term Jewish after the discussion where he used
the term Nazi. He tossed out the Jewish family ties as a defense to his
calling MO a Nazi, in much the same way a racist, in defense
I AM NOT THE ONE WHO KEEPS ASKING ME THE QUESTIONS. I don't care if MT is a
Druid. However he used the term Jewish after the discussion where he used
the term Nazi. He tossed out the Jewish family ties as a defense to his
calling MO a Nazi, in much the same way a racist, in defense of his
Vance Wood at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JEWISH IS A RACE, Judaism is a religion. I am dumb struck that you do not
understand that.
During the Holocaust The Jews were persecuted because of their race not
their religion.
That's pretty much how Goebbels put it. More objective observers
Dear Howard:
I've stood in quicksand before when I know I am right. Your analysis does
not make sense. However I am not the one that keeps throwing out the
misinformation. Why does the word race frighten you? Racism is an ugly
word. I have yet to here that kind of thing applied to Ethnicity.
Sorry Roman again you are wrong, Bonsai is not an ethnic group within a
group of trees, Bonsai is a method where by any tree from any back ground
can be grown as a bonsai. Bonsai means tree in a pot, loosely translated.
I have been growing bonsai for nearly fifty years and some of that as a
As far as the Third Riche was
concerned religion or philosophy had nothing to do with how The Jews were
dealt with.
So Nouveau Riche must be the Forth Reich...
RT
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Roman M. Turovsky
http://turovsky.org
http://polyhymnion.org
Vance wrote,
No, he tossed it out openly, if it is true why should he be ashamed of the
circumstances.
Michael wrote,
Vance, I have been watching you flop in the sand like a fish caught on
the hook, line, and sinker I threw you.
Your mind goes straight for the obvious doesn't it? I will
It doesn't make any difference, I wouldn't worry about that.
How can your sister be Jewish and you are not? Or are you referring to
choosing the Jewish faith of her husband?
To any still interested and Dr.Oakroot:
Christian is not a race or family of people, Jewish is, though it is
possible to convert to Judaism doing so does not make you genetically a
person of Jewish back ground, that is what the holocaust was all about if
you forget your history. MT made the
Christian is not a race or family of people, Jewish is, though it is
possible to convert to Judaism doing so does not make you genetically a
person of Jewish back ground, that is what the holocaust was all about if
you forget your history. MT made the statement, and tossed it out on the
They have to listen to this neo
nazi bastard all the time,
You are going much too far.
I admire Mr. Ophee for his patience.
Bernd, take it from an MO expert, what he has is not patience. He
actually seems to derive pleasure from ill-will he causes.
Quite often I have the impression
Dear Roman:
I disagree, and, I agree. In some circles this term has come to mean as
you have described, in other circles, especially where there is a Jewish
back ground haunted by memories of the holocaust, you and Michael are
totally off base. I can think of no four letter word,
Howard,
*
BTW, what is a roach assumption? Is this a characterization of
methodology, or of substances that affected your sobriety in making it? Or
some rule of thumb about the visibility of actual visible cockroaches to
hidden ones?
*
Roman gives, in another message, an estimate of 4 to 1 for
Vance wrote,
conservative as a Nazi. Personally I am conservative and I consider the tag
Nazi as an insult. If you wish I could return the favor but I choose not to
stoop to that level
MT wrote,
Vance your hypocrisy knows no bounds!
Michael Thames
Luthier
Dear Roman, hello all,
They have to listen to this neo
nazi bastard all the time,
You are going much too far.
I admire Mr. Ophee for his patience.
Bernd, take it from an MO expert, what he has is not patience. He
actually seems to derive pleasure from ill-will he causes.
Quite often I
Dear Vance,
regardless of whether I find the whole thing (argument)
to be fine or not, I'd love to mention that part of my family was also
exterminated by the Nazis in the WWII, and I clearly see that in the context
the word (nazi) had little to do with it's original meaning.
I
How can your sister be Jewish and you are not? Or are you referring to
choosing the Jewish faith of her husband?
Vance Wood.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED];
arielabramovich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Michael:
Your ability to see only what you want to see, and understand what you want
to understand is a true source of amazement.
Vance Wood.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Thames [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Vance Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December
Michael:
Your ability to see only what you want to see, and understand what you want
to understand is a true source of amazement.
Vance Wood
What is the purpose of continuing this Vance, weren't you the voice of
reason we all looked to.
Where is Dudly Do right when we need him?
Michael
Vance wrote,
How can your sister be Jewish and you are not? Or are you referring to
choosing the Jewish faith of her husband?
MT wrote,
I really think it's none of your business.
Michael Thames
Luthier
www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com
Site design by Natalina Calia-Thames
- Original
I am going to take a risk. There have been comments among us about specific
religious associatians. And specifically a comment that M.O. insulted
Sephardim. Well then, is M.O. an Ashkenazi conducting an internal
confrontation? He says he has Sephardic family, but who knows what that is.
Bear with
Matanya,
You are quite right that the issues of publishers, socialists and rip offs
are public matters. But one does have to define the nature of a public
forum. A list server (listserv in old computer speak) is a community of
people with a common interest, and when particular interests within
Roman Turovsky at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The funny thing is that old postings in those flame wars are nowhere as
interesting as they seemed at the time..
I'm afraid they weren't as interesting as all that at the time, Roman.
What's interesting (or, for that matter, persuasive) to the
The funny thing is that old postings in those flame wars are nowhere as
interesting as they seemed at the time..
I'm afraid they weren't as interesting as all that at the time, Roman.
What's interesting (or, for that matter, persuasive) to the writer in the
heat of combat is a far cry
They have to listen to this neo
nazi bastard all the time,
You are going much too far.
Please read your statements carefully before you send
them to the world.
I admire Mr. Ophee for his patience.
B.H.
Bernd, take it from an MO expert, what he has is not patience. He
actually seems to
They have to listen to this neo
nazi bastard all the time,
You are going much too far.
Please read your statements carefully before you send
them to the world.
I admire Mr. Ophee for his patience.
B.H.
Also:
Bernd,
In the States word nazi is now divorced from its original meaning and is
I am going to take a risk. There have been comments among us about specific
religious associatians. And specifically a comment that M.O. insulted
Sephardim. Well then, is M.O. an Ashkenazi conducting an internal
confrontation? He says he has Sephardic family, but who knows what that is.
Bear
Music is music, and that is our topic. Some of the finest music written has
been for one god or another, the particular choice doesn't change the music.
I could write a piece honoring the seventh avenue subway, and if it were a
good piece with lasting musical value it might last an eternity -
At 03:33 PM 12/7/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The truce more or less lasted until Doug Smith's campaign against
Sautscheck.
Thank you for confirming the reason and the rationale for your anti-MO
abusive demagoguery.
Matanya Ophee
Editions Orphe'e, Inc.,
1240 Clubview
At 03:33 PM 12/7/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then MO proceeded to insult Sephardim, and I took an exception to that
Interesting perception. Me insulting Sephardim. My brother in law is a
Sephardi, my son in law is a Sephardi and my four grand children are
Sephardi. So
Matanya,
Please address this issue privately with RT.
Thanks
On Sunday, December 7, 2003, at 03:57 PM, Matanya Ophee wrote:
At 03:33 PM 12/7/2003 -0500, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Then MO proceeded to insult Sephardim, and I took an exception to that
Interesting
At 05:28 PM 12/7/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Matanya,
Please address this issue privately with RT.
I am sorry, but the issue of publishers being ripped off by socialist do
gooders is not a personal matter. It is a public issue, and as a publisher
yourself it should concern you too. If you do not
Matanya wrote,
It was started by Michael Thames
addressing me as Montana and by Romany Turovsky referring to me as a
mixture of yeast and fecal matter. If the flame bothers you so much, please
address the initial culprits
From MT,
It started between Albert and myself , after asking the
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