Re: commas and cents

2003-12-27 Thread adS
Jon Murphy wrote: > Rainer, > > >>>PS: If anyone asks you "why temperament ?", the shortest answer is "2 to > > the N th power = 3 to M th power has no >>non-trivial solutions for integer > N and M" If nothing else that should leave the questioner in stunned silence > while >>you make your escap

R: commas and cents

2003-12-27 Thread Donatella Galletti
Thanks Bob, it's the same in Italian, I thought I had written "cents". As for the 5 cents discrimination, I remember I played duets (guitar) with a flutist, and we realized some notes were not in tune, so we checked with the tuning-box and the difference was less than 5 cents, but still audible.

Re: commas and cents

2003-12-26 Thread Jon Murphy
Nicely done Stewart, A well expressed analysis of a complex topic. > Tuning-boxes can be a great help, as long as we keep using our ears, > since they are a constant check on the accuracy of our tuning. They > will be less help in the long run, if we don't listen, and rely on > them to do all th

Re: commas and cents

2003-12-26 Thread Jon Murphy
Rainer, > > PS: If anyone asks you "why temperament ?", the shortest answer is "2 to the N th power = 3 to M th power has no >>non-trivial solutions for integer N and M" If nothing else that should leave the questioner in stunned silence while >>you make your escape. :-) > > Even a mathematical id

Re: commas and cents

2003-12-26 Thread Jon Murphy
Bob, and all, > A cent is 1/1200 of an octave (100 cents = 1 equal tempered semione). Most books on musical acoustics > quote a threshold of 4 cents for human pitch discrimination. I don't remember what the basis is or whether anyone > has tested to see if those who claim they can do better really

Commas and cents

2003-12-26 Thread RichardTomBeck
Dear Stewart, Just a short note to say that I found your explanation absolutely superb. I wonder if John Cage took account of all this in 4' 33" and decided that silence was the best way of avoiding the problem. Kindest regards Tom Beck --

Re: commas and cents

2003-12-26 Thread Rainer aus dem Spring
BobClair or EkkoJennings wrote: > > PS: If anyone asks you "why temperament ?", the shortest answer is "2 to the N th > power = 3 to M th power has no non-trivial solutions for integer N and M" If nothing > else that should leave the questioner in stunned silence while you make your escape. >

commas and cents

2003-12-26 Thread Stewart McCoy
> PS: If anyone asks you "why temperament ?", the shortest answer is "2 to the N th power = 3 to M th power has no non-trivial solutions for integer N and M" If nothing else that should leave the questioner in stunned silence while you make your escape. :-) Dear Bob, I know you're joking, but I'

commas and cents

2003-12-26 Thread BobClair or EkkoJennings
>My guitar teacher, Aldo Minella, has an absolute ear , and I remember he was >suffering when he heard something not in tune, and by this I mean less than >5 commas difference ( books say human ear can't tell the difference below >5 commas, but I also met other musicians who could tell it , and I