Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Macs R We
I have a client running Catalina on an old 2013 iMac with a spinner. There's no reason he needs to be running Catalina (he still uses Lotus 123, for heaven's sake), he is apparently just a low-information victim of Apple's antisocial robo-nag campaign to "Upgrade! Upgrade!! Upgrade!!!" His mac

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Carl Hoefs
High Sierra ran iPhoto; Catalina runs Photos. The two photo database formats are totally incompatible, which is why it upgrades the database. And I know that somewhere along the way (from HS to Catalina) it did a forced upgrade of the mailboxes. So my guess is that your undertaking would be an

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Carl Hoefs
Oops, I just checked, and High Sierra did run Photos, but an early version of the database. It did get updated often going to Catalina, though. -Carl > On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Carl Hoefs wrote: > > High Sierra ran iPhoto; Catalina runs Photos. The two photo database formats > are totally

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Carl Hoefs
From https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250112022: The only way to downgrade a Photos Library from Photos 4.0 Mojave to Photos 2.0 Sierra would be to use iCloud Photos Library. -Carl > On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:34 PM, Carl Hoefs wrote: > > Oops, I just checked, and High Sierra did run Photos,

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread David Schwartz
On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:36 PM, Carl Hoefs wrote: > > From https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250112022: > > > The only way to downgrade a Photos Library from Photos 4.0 Mojave to Photos > 2.0 Sierra would be to use iCloud Photos Library. > The same is likely true for all the services; Notes,

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Macs R We
On this subject only — Photos long predates High Sierra (2015, Yosemite). I run HS on my main machine, I still run iPhotos despite at lest two OS upgrades, and I continually attract rafts of * from peers about running obsolete software. Initially, I declined to switch to Photos until it had at

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Macs R We
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:50 PM, David Schwartz wrote: > > The “modern” Intel iMac (2012 and later) only has two connectors, and they’re > not all that fragile. But it _is_ a bitch to cut through the double-sided > foam tape, and it’s a pressure to pop the display back into place with new > sti

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Macs R We
After reading all the responses, I think I'm going to scrap the downgrade option and just go with the SSD option, as much as I hate it. Going through iCloud for stuff is not a great option given my rural Internet speeds, and he may not have the storage there anyway. I'll also tell him once more

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread David Schwartz
On Jul 1, 2021, at 5:42 PM, Macs R We mailto:macs...@macsrwe.com>> wrote: > > My understanding was that the foam tape existed only on a brief run of > "low-end" models where a "display frame" included chunks of the logic, and > was no longer used. I’ve done dozens of post-mid2011 21.5” an 27” i

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Carl Hoefs
> On Jul 1, 2021, at 6:18 PM, David Schwartz wrote: > > Because if the display is not attached to the aluminum frame with double > sided VHB style tape, how does the display keep from falling off? There are > not screws or brackets to hold it in place. > Once upon a time they used magnets t

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Macs R We
It's the thin-edge model, you're right. That's the only one I ever came across that had foam tape, and I've only had one of those ever come into the shop. I don't think they make the thin-edge profile any more, amirite? All the other ones are eight screws on the display panel, then three chintzy

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread David Schwartz
On Jul 1, 2021, at 6:23 PM, Macs R We wrote: > > I don't think they make the thin-edge profile any more, amirite? All the > other ones are eight screws on the display panel, then three chintzy > connectors behind the display where you have to have the fingers of ET to > connect and disconnect

Re: Database updates through Catalina

2021-07-01 Thread Macs R We
Wow, you're right. It's really hard for me to believe that by sheer happenstance, I have never (except once) worked on an iMac model newer than 2012 (according to everymac.com). But I suppose it's not entirely improbable, because it's the old ones that need the most help. I don't recall optical