Re: Screen reader demographics - Was Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Chris Blouch
That sounds like the broader trend of companies allowing people to self-select their devices rather than mandate hardware. There are some who suspect that a lot of people already use their person iPhones for work, leaving the corporate provided blackberry in a drawer. CB On 12/3/12 1:14 PM, E

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Eugenia Firth
Ok, what about you guys that have Mac Book Airs? I'blind have to find out if she wants to use BARD. I suspect she would want to do that, but I haven't asked her. On Dec 3, 2012, at 8:39 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > I don't have a idfferent mac (yet) so can't say for sure. What I can say is > that

Re: Screen reader demographics - Was Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there. A lot of blind people are stuck with whatever their employer wnts to do. However, it's going to be real interesting to see how things go. Both my brother's company and my sister's hospital bought their employees iPads. My sister is a nurse practitioner who does work full time these d

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Rod Skene
My two cents, I would get a iPod touch and an Apple keyboard. It would be much easier to learn and much less expensive. She could Always upgrade to a computer later point. Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any spelling errors. On 02/12/2012, at 10:46 PM, Eugenia Firth

Screen reader demographics - Was Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Chris Blouch
For those interested, the WebAIM folks every so often do some survey research on screen readers. IN amongst the piles of stats is the Primary Screen Reader breakdown: http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/#primary Unsurprisingly, for desktops, Jaws is the leader with 49% but NVDA is #

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Alex Hall
I don't have a idfferent mac (yet) so can't say for sure. What I can say is that 2gb is not enough; if you do get the mini, which allows the user to upgrade the ram, I'd go for the cheapest option and then pick up 8gb of ram, which can be had for around $40, and pop it in in place of the default

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Eugenia Firth
Ok Alex. Are you saying that because the Mac Mini has less memory that more strange things happen using VoiceOver than having a different Mac? On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > First, I use standard view, and second, I have a grand total of 2gb of ram to > work with. I know I ne

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Alex Hall
First, I use standard view, and second, I have a grand total of 2gb of ram to work with. I know I need more, but I'm saving up for a macbook so I don't want to sink any money into this mini if I don't have to. My point with that example, though, was that you have to know how the mac works and k

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-03 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi Alex. If you don't like Safari's approach to browsing the internet, perhaps you should try Chrome. Chromevox has been updated significantly so you can use up and down arrow keys like in Windows. In regards to your comment about replying to an email in Mail and getting the "busy" message, I am

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Eugenia Firth
Thanks there Well, I guess it boils down to the MacBook air or the Mac mini, if she's getting a Mac. She didn't have a heart attack when I told her how much I paid for my MacBook Pro, and she's planning on setting up her money for the next seven months or so. Anyway, thanks for all the help guys

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Alex Hall
Yes, the mini starts at $600 I believe, but you then need the monitor and possibly an adapter or cable, depending on the monitor you choose. You also need a keyboard and, if she wants one, some kind of trackpad for gestures. So, assume the standard apple keyboard at $40 (for the wired one), a ch

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Matt Dierckens
I am very excited to go home for Christmas. I miss my family very much. I wish I could see you soon. Matt Sent from my mac Twitter: matt692 On 2012-12-02, at 8:42 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: > Hi there > Yes, I did mention the possibility of getting a used Mac for her. She was > receptive to the i

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Eugenia Firth
Thanks Mark. I'll let her know. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 8:59 AM, Mark Baxter wrote: > GIGI: > > Not to shamelessly promote and use the list for ad space, but I work for one > organization, and am planning to set up my own similar organization soon, > which trains blind persons

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there Yes, I did mention the possibility of getting a used Mac for her. She was receptive to the idea. I will keep this information that you sent on hand so that we can look into it when she's ready. Thanks for your help on that too. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Frank Tom

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there I'm not familiar with the screen reader you're talking about, which brings up the question. Who's going to help her learn a Windows screen reader that most blind people don't have? I mean quick, if she doesn't know someone who has this screen reader, I think she stuck. The other questi

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Cheree Heppe
Cheree Heppe here: Suggest that, if possible, that the lady visit both the Apple store and somebody with a modified Windows machine and get a feel for which would be best. Regards, Cheree Heppe Sent from my IPhone 4S On 02/12/2012, at 9:20, Alex Hall wrote: > I see what you're saying. Still,

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Alex Hall
I see what you're saying. Still, macs can now get viruses, so you'll need to protect against that whichever way you go. Yes, macs are more stable, but when things go wrong you have to know what you're doing to get them back. For instance, I'll sometimes hit reply in mail and get "mail busy", fol

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Mauricio Almeida
well, let me tell you a few things here: 1: windows are n to as safe as macs are, which adds trouble for the novice user. 2: windows computers are much less stable than the macs. 3: nvda isn't something she will be able to get support for,unless she enters a list, which already involves some learn

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Alex Hall
Okay, please don't shoot me for this, but I think it needs to be mentioned. Sorry, but... why a mac? NVDA on Windows is much cheaper and does just as well in pretty much everything, even better in some areas (Safari, I'm looking at you and your lack of a flat representation). I know this is a ma

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Frank Tom
Also, try picking up a used Mac for her. Small Dog Electronics in Burlington Vermont offers discounted used Macs, but I would search locally, first. If she has any usable vision and portability is not an issue, try an IMac instead. good luck. Tom vermont...@gmail.com On Dec 2, 2012, at 7:54

Re: helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Mark Baxter
GIGI: Not to shamelessly promote and use the list for ad space, but I work for one organization, and am planning to set up my own similar organization soon, which trains blind persons on Mac and IOS devices. Check out www.blindaccesstraining.com and see if one of our trainers may be able to hel

helping a blind friend get technology

2012-12-02 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi y'all I have a blind friend who I think is totally blind, at the very least close to it. She's not quite ready yet to get her technology, but she and I have agreed we're going to visit that issue in June when I am going to Houston where she lives. This friend, in my opinion, needs a Mac or an