ext Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
It was already said that Nokia devices running Nokia provided MeeGo based
system will contain closed source components.
So far no one told what base meego system contains and how useful it is.
It depends on your intent and goals. I cannot comment on what Mee
ext Ryan Abel wrote:
Well, except for the part where Nokia ends up marketing it as "MeeGo". Oh, and
Harmattan's, apparently, MeeGo, too, and it definitely has closed stuff at the platform
level.
Yeah . . . not confusing at all. ;)
No at all: it's about standardization. The device must supp
ext Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia czwartek, 18 marca 2010 o 19:59:25 Samir Faci (Dev) napisał(a):
Hmm.. any one know if meego will be completely open source?.
Or is it too early to know for sure at this point.
It was already said that Nokia devices running MeeGo will contain closed
Hi,
ext Christopher Intemann wrote:
Hello,
I came across this blog-entry [1] which is describing why the Android kernel
extensions were removed from the current kernel version.
I'm just curious: Where does Nokia/ Maemo stand? Are there Maemo sources in the
official Linux kernel tree at all?
ext Graham Cobb wrote:
It is still my view that, if at all possible, applications should install on
the initial release. Otherwise we lose those applications for a large part
of our user base (those who got a device with an earlier version of the
software and have not upgraded).
this i
Hi,
ext Graham Cobb wrote:
We have to live with that and try to come up with a solution that is best for
the users. In my view, that means having as many apps as possible available
to people who are still running the initial release.
That would not be very wise: you are assuming that a
ext Jeremiah Foster wrote:
4) "Project decisions should be made in closed-door meetings."
5) "Employ large amounts of legalese."
7) "Keep the decision-making powers unclear"
Unfortunately a bit of this is true. But this is part of maemo's dual nature,
the half-closed, half-open bea
ext Mikko Vartiainen wrote:
> You can promote PyMaemo packages to extras-testing but it's not the
> solution, because it doesn't help getting them to Extras (you can't
> promote them there). Even if newer versions of non user/ packages were
> promoted to Extras it doesn't help much getting them to
On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 22:56 +0200, ext Kees Jongenburger wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Igor Stoppa wrote:
> > Add to that several HW bugs that were discovered during the development
> > and needed workarounds.
>
> Does this simply mean it's not possible at
.
> We needed to make choices and the decision was to sacrify USB OTG and
> concentrate on the essential use cases of charging and connecting to
> the PC, bringing the N900 to the market in its due time.
Although noone really liked the choice we had to make. We do use our
products a
> can be done...
The n810 has USB OTG, meaning that it allows for hacks that can be
accessible to other users _withouth_ really starting drilling and sawing
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> > Hi,
> > On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 18:06 +0800, ext Huang Gao (Gmail) wrote:
> >> Hi, Igor Stoppa:
> >> Thank you for your reply!
> &g
Hi,
On Tue, 2009-01-13 at 18:06 +0800, ext Huang Gao (Gmail) wrote:
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> Thank you for your reply!
> So can I understand that this hardware FB is not contained in SDRAM
> or SRAM, and LCD will refresh itself from this hardware FB by its controller
>
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sible liability issues, patents, and the fact that it's software
> developed by another branch of Nokia rather than internally within
> Maemo.
In that sense it would be probably simpler to get rid entirely of it
than to open it. But still no predictions, sorry.
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Hi,
I spent some time trying to locate in the wiki & nokia pages a vpn
package that still runs on Diablo and can provide access to the
intranet, but I only found a bunch of outdated and binary only stuff.
Does anybody know of an up to date version?
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mebody had the bright idea to hook something to the
plain R&D mode flag. Which i really hope is not the case.
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> I believe the following will supply timing to ms level.
The system tick is based on a 32kHz clock, so that's the real
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On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 17:54 +, ext Darius Jack wrote:
> I need such 2D array to save gps data and more.
Hmm ... why not switching to C?
It might make far less painfull your effort, and probably would be more
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*plonk*
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Looks like you didn't do your homework ...
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make reasonably hard for the user to install any non authorized sw. This
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On Mon, 2008-05-05 at 22:30 +0200, ext Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
> Dnia Saturday 03 of May 2008, Igor Stoppa (Nokia) napisał:
>
> > Sadly the padlock (and i'm not denying that there is one) is around
> > some of the most boring or crufty stuff, not really on the fami
Hi Ed,
good to see you still around here!
On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 11:20 -0500, ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Hans J. Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Am Sat, 03 May 2008 20:53:53 +0300
> >> schrieb Igor
Hi,
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 19:58 +0200, ext Hans J. Koch wrote:
> Am Sat, 03 May 2008 17:47:08 +0300
> schrieb Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Hi Igor,
>
> >
> > In the end I think what would be realistically possible - and i'm
> > already comp
t the community could do/demand to keep the old
devices alive.
Anyway note that in order to do proper low level kernel development, one
needs also measuring tool and special boards that allow for precise
measuring of what the sw is doing. Nobody in the community ha
gt;
> > As a user, this is usually fine.
>
> What annoys me is that the device boots into the charging screen when
> you switch it on with the charger connected.
That's according to spec and for once I agree with it.
But I suppose that it would be possible to modify the behaviour by
d my first ever DVD rip: no
trouble at all!
With on the fly conversion as added bonus.
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r to have an answer that you cannot wait
few hours after i answered your previous request, but not eager enough
to search the archives.
http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg13322.html
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What exactly would you like to know?
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On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 18:47 +0200, ext pHilipp Zabel wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 20:27 +0300, ext Marius Vollmer wrote:
> > > "ext Klaus Rotter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
have a thermal design power (TDP)
> specification in 0.6-2.5 watt range and scale to 1.8GHz [...]"
>
> http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20080302comp.htm
Anyway that's still insanely high: 0.6-2.5 watt is for a pocket stove,
not an han
On Mon, 2008-01-14 at 20:05 +, ext Neil MacLeod wrote:
> Igor Stoppa wrote:
> >
> > iirc this was taken from some phone product, to save time (yes, that's
> > arguable but it's not the point here) and therefore it's considered not
> > viable for op
#x27;s not the point here) and therefore it's considered not
viable for opening.
I strongly suspect that if you just check the website of some
manufacturer of ALS devices, you'll probably get some demo algorythm to
do the filtering, likely similar to the one we are using.
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> > On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 17:37 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> >> Igor Stoppa wrote:
> >>> Having the audio path open, but no dsp tack loaded (arm audio) sets the
> >>
On Mon, 2007-12-31 at 17:37 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> Igor Stoppa wrote:
> > Having the audio path open, but no dsp tack loaded (arm audio) sets the
> > clock to 400MHz.
>
> Interesting, so, umm, there is way to play audio from ARM side directly?
Mixing is s
cant difference in terms
of power consumption.
It should be easy to verify with a large enough SD and some mp3
handcrafting skills (several copy & paste of the right type of data
should be enough).
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while the test is ongoing
Also, note that for the test to be reliable, it should be executed on a
freshly flashed unit with stock sw (apart from the modified kernel) and
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f you remove the constraint of fixed [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] when there is a dsp task active, you might end up in a
situation where you are listening to MP3 @ low OMAP clock, then start
the browser, therefore causing the OMAP clock to change rapidly and get
lots of garbage on the audio out
te my
> time.
Just out of curiosity: why do you need approval?
I thought we at Nokia were making open source sw ... what is preventing
you from just doing whatever you want, as long as you comply with the
licensing?
I haven't seen any other developer here asking for permission :-/
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need it and doesn't when you
> don't.
I'm not a userland guy, but for what i remember, dbus should be able to
start for you services that are not running, and dbus is _already_
running all the time.
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q:
le since your sw will use memory,
cpu time and power all the time. Also bugs will be more critical.
What's wrong with something that runs on-demand?
Unless you rely on having dbus to start and stop the service ... that
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They now support officially the maemo platform.
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On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 15:11 -0500, ext [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2007, Igor Stoppa wrote:
>
> > If disk space is not an issue for you
>
> Nope, it isn't...
>
> > , maybe you can do like me and use
> > a chrooted environment for each sdk (i
the outside. Apparently doing a double bindmount from
chroot to sbox of a /dev or /proc directory doesn't work and at the
second step you end up with an empty directory.
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On Tue, 2007-11-06 at 17:47 +0100, ext Luca Olivetti wrote:
> En/na Igor Stoppa ha escrit:
>
> > Currently i'm stuck with having source code for Delphi/FreePascal and
> > not being able to compile it since (to the best of my knowledge)
> > FreePascal only sup
compile it since (to the best of my knowledge)
FreePascal only supports ABI, not EABI.
GPC would be a much better alternative since it basically can generate
executables for whatever is supported by the backend of gcc.
So, is this attempt reasonable? Do you use gpc on the tablet?
BTW, Kdeve
able UI.
OMAP3 will make the requirement even stronger; this is the right time to
start changing mindset about power management.
Doing CPU profiling is a good step down that road.
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but let's ignore it for the moment).
So even where i _could_ be of some help in providing feedback, I cannot
because i have no clue of what the logical id means.
And i am not going to read the UI specs just for that.
I suppose this applies to many others, here. So logical IDs semm to be a
n
n800
in case you want to use it for identifying a device for
security/protection reasons, i would advice aginist it, unless your code
is running in secure mode.
it's too easy to patch the kernel so that it will return whatever
counterfeit info.
And even if you were running in secure mode, it sh
nd line utiilities provided by busybox).
So, for example, wget would end up in the latter category, while a
graphical UI for wget or a graphical ftp would end up in the former.
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elated isses on us just shipping the
feature, as Nokia has a patent on phone profiles and it seems that it's
one of the family jewels :-/
It beats me why there isn't any issue with laptops doing basically the
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d application/daemon through DBUS, so a simple script,
paired with a command line dbus interface would be sufficient.
It's just a matter of having available the list of commands/requests
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On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 16:32 +0300, ext Mika Yrjölä wrote:
> On 7/11/07, Frantisek Dufka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Igor Stoppa wrote:
> > > I certainly will run my tablet at higher speed and/or lower voltage;
> > > finland makes it unlikely to incur in
On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 14:29 +0200, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote:
> Igor Stoppa wrote:
> > I certainly will run my tablet at higher speed and/or lower voltage;
> > finland makes it unlikely to incur in heating problems ;-)
>
> CPU temperature sensor might be useful to guess
(sorry, not conf as I wrote in my previous e-mail) file
> supports callbacks, to get customised behaviour.
>
> > [1] Sound on/off, network on/off being the obvious ones
>
> I can make that configurable through /etc/mce/mce.ini
Sorry to ru
On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 13:28 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote:
> On 7/11/07, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> [snip lots of interesting stuff]
> >
> > It's a similar case to sleep while idle vs user-controlled suspend: just
> > because old device
tion is much
faster than any OP change, so race-to-idle is more important on OMAP
than on x86 devices.
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> The flasher should be capable of disabling the watchdog
> Here's the output from the Linux flasher utility, read up on the flags
> "no-omap-wd" and "no-retu-wd"
the retu wd cannot be disabled, it's a powerdown wd and is controlled
only by hw means (re
On Sat, 2007-04-14 at 19:39 +0200, ext Visti Andresen wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:47:47 +0200
> Visti Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:47:01 +0300
> > Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
sh.
The alternative would be for us to publish the required mux settings and
so on.
Which i think is pretty silly that we haven't done so far.
Disabling muxing in kernel as we are doing now, certainly doesn't
prevent one from usinig the kernel to write directly to the supposedl
; Xephyr DEB file?
>
> Thanks,
what about alien?
>
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On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 16:20 -0600, ext Mike Baker wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 01:56:18PM +0200, Igor Stoppa wrote:
> > On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 05:01 -0600, ext Mike Baker wrote:
> > The wd in retu is a deadman's button. It comes from phones legacy, where a
> > re
d system
>
> The latest version of the script can always be found at
> http://mbm.openwrt.org/n800/suspend.sh
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hw issue that results in LCD failure. It happened to me as well and
after I replaced the LCD, the smearing disappeared.
If you want some entertainment while you wait for your unit to be fixed,
read the threads about this problem and all the speculations about the
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STLC4550 reveals some datasheets.
>
I am not sure, but iirc there is at least an issue with internal ram
size, maybe you could compare sizes of the 2 blobs.
I remember that with 770 we couldn't be as aggressive as with n800
because the fw w
achieved, but I was just wondering if it wasn't. This may be fruitless
> speculation, but
> I would be glad if anybody of the hw gurus could enlighten me some? Thx.
>
> Best Regards,
> karoliina
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> Dave
It's very easy, just get yourself a legal department, any will do, it
will provide instantaneous time warping =)
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l to just run
> apps directly from flash memory rather than copying them to RAM and
> then running from there. Writing directly to a program space that you
> are currently running is the road to nastiness.
No, 770 doesn't and anyway NAND flash is not very xip friendly :)
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Done already, check the power management and drivers code. Next?
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;s something the service points can do, or you can do it yourself
with one of the unofficial cables that you can find on the net (either
schematics or seller).
Of course it is very likely to void your warranty, so i strongly advice
to check with customer servi
t without tripping
> over each other and killing battery life with polling.
>
> Mike
I think Devesh is the proper interface for this sort of discussion,
since he takes care of harmonizing this sort of internal/external
needs/demands/activities.
And he's your best chance to get any s
> ??
>
> regards benjamin
>
Hi,
have you tried swapping batteries, i.e. taking a battery from a
"working" one and using it to boot one of those who are not behaving
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> Frantisek
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>
> If this solution works, it's probably a bug in the alarm software that
> does not reset the RTC-alarm after the alarm has been acknowledged.
>
For the internal RTC, 15-20 minutes is the expected life support time,
vercharge or destroy the battery. That being said, it would be
> nice to have an entry in /proc of the raw battery voltage and any
> additional available power info.
>
> Larry
Hi,
please note that the the vast majority of 770 power management stuff is
opened already, since it lives in kernelspace.
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gh unlikely, whatever would be able have such an effect would probably
fry it for good.
> but other times I've just found it in the off
> state when I know I left it on, and the batter still had a charge.
It would help to know which sw you are running: is it vanilla or are you
using a c
etty impressive except for leaving MP3 files paused in the media
> player, which consumes over 10 times the normal current while
> sleeping.
>
> Larry
>
> On 3/29/06, Igor Stoppa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 11:31
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did anybody produce anything?
I was hoping that the discussion would bring some interest to the
fabulous world of power management also amongst other developers ...
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l lines, no nokia splash...
Then maybe you could let us know and help us save a few bucks in
servicing defective units
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ntended to be a replacement, but the
one mentioned at the beginning of the thread was only for data transfer.
Maybe a laptop would benefit more from this stuff than an embedded
device.
igor
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> Frantisek
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> Igor Stoppa wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> > On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 11:00
ttery and wire
it to the connector pins.
igor
> it is just a point for discussion (I
> have never seen a laptop that would not function without a battery, only
> using external charger, however, the 770 may be quite different.)
>
> Dave
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> >Message: 1
> >Date: S
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g the 770
> work with just the battery charger ?
I repeat this only because you might have missed my previous advice.
You DO want to use the battery, _without_ the charger.
igor
>
> Many thanks for your help.
>
> Best,
>
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ime and browsing
time, you can figure out the current value that you are going to
measure.
> Many thanks,
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Cheers,
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tteries :-D
> can anyone tell me how
> to go about doing this?
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