Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Hi, ext Mark Haury wrote: > As for reflashing, Chinook is still better than Diablo as far as > stability and certain apps working properly. I've had my tablet long > enough that it came with Bora, and there were compelling reasons to > upgrade to Chinook. The final Chinook upgrade was a nightmare

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Hallo! > ...and the Psion Series 5 and up, and the Agenda VR3, and probably > many other cases... As an owner of an Agenda VR I can assure you that that "thing" and my N810 together with the community, Nokia, documentation, web presence, build environement and every other aspect I can thing of ar

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/23 Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It's probably this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3788 > > Editing anonymously over https shouldn't present a problem. . . . Ok, thank you... I still cannot edit by my username, but after adding 's' to 'http' I am at least allowed to edit

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 23, 2008, at 7:54 AM, sebastian maemo wrote: > Hi Ryan: > > Could you be so extremely kind as to tell me why I cannot edit wiki > pages any more? > > By the way, my user login is 'sebas'... (just in case you need it). It's probably this bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3788

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Hi Ryan: Could you be so extremely kind as to tell me why I cannot edit wiki pages any more? By the way, my user login is 'sebas'... (just in case you need it). Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/ma

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/23 Faheem Pervez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Works for me, but they did mess up with the squid running on the wiki so in > Firefox, just press Ctrl-Shift-R when you get a blank page. Nope... it doesn't work for me... I can login OK but when I follow the link to the page I want to edit I'm not

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Works for me, but they did mess up with the squid running on the wiki so in Firefox, just press Ctrl-Shift-R when you get a blank page. On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:23 AM, sebastian maemo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > 2008/11/23 sebastian maemo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> And now, I'll check the new

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/23 sebastian maemo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > And now, I'll check the new > wikiabout booting from MMC > and modify it in case it doesn't work to me... I'd like to... but something doesn't work with wiki.maemo.org ... who's to blame? ;-) S

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Ok, thanks to all of you for so much feedback... this means people is involved anyway... I think it's time to flash back and try to be constructive... As I've admitted before, the original rant of the first mail in the thread is because of the obvious disappointment after so many months having str

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 22, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: > sebastian maemo wrote: > >> Why should I complain?... I think it's a great idea... when it's >> done with >> care of course... you cannot disable a repository until you confirm >> that all >> packages are correctly transferred... But it's

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

sebastian maemo wrote: > Why should I complain?... I think it's a great idea... when it's done with > care of course... you cannot disable a repository until you confirm that all > packages are correctly transferred... But it's so logical thing that I > really don't understand what all you are talk

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:19:32 +0100 "sebastian maemo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Daniel... the apps you've developed are so useful that I won't > take into consideration your yelling at me... Well, thanks. I won't take your last thread as consid

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Daniel Martin Yerga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I didn't see anyone complaint when it was proposed, you should have > explained your reasons when it happened. Why should I complain?... I think it's a great idea... when it's done with care of course... you cannot disable a repository until

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Daniel Martin Yerga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > If it really exists a folder named extras-devel in > > http://repository.maemo.org/ it should be explained in the main > > website where you can find a detailed description of all folders in > > the site... Do you understand what I mean when

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:47:47 +0100 "sebastian maemo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Before Nokia tried to "consolidate" any repo my problem didn't > exist... My problem came with Nokia's decision... So though they're > indirectly responsible for that...

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Niels Breet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We're currently working on getting the number of external repositories > down to a minimum. Our goal is to have a lot less repositories on > gronmayer as soon as possible. This will hopefully improve user > experience. Gronmayer is a great site... aft

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:55:28 +0100 "sebastian maemo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If it really exists a folder named extras-devel in > http://repository.maemo.org/ it should be explained in the main > website where you can find a detailed description

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Faheem Pervez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I don't know (and don't care frankly) if this has already been said but tz1 > plans to upload kismet soon to extras-devel. Tz1's version of kismet works a > lot better than the one from Eko1 anyway (I've run tz1's kismet successfully > on an N800 for

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Dmitry S. Makovey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > according to original poster he was after Kismet. That is not a toy your > "average" user would install. He did know what he was asking for. He did > know about etiquette on ML and he should've checked the facts before > accusing people. Mark, you

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Dmitry S. Makovey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > first of all: why do you reflash your 770? Ever since I've got my 800 I > have reflashed it exactly once - to get Diablo. Is there some specific > requirement of 770 to reflash it so often? Is that because of the fact > that pre-diablo systems can

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On 11/21/08, Dmitry S. Makovey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark Haury wrote: > > Everybody who owns one of these tablets is not a developer. > > according to original poster he was after Kismet. That is not a toy your > "average" user would install. He did know what he was asking for. He did >

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

[Top posting to waste as little time as possible on this useless topic.] I have sent the owner of the repository this mail: Hi, We're currently working on getting the number of external repositories down to a minimum. Our goal i

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

I don't know (and don't care frankly) if this has already been said but tz1 plans to upload kismet soon to extras-devel. Tz1's version of kismet works a lot better than the one from Eko1 anyway (I've run tz1's kismet successfully on an N800 for 24 hours. People could not even get 1 hour with Eko1's

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 21, 2008, at 10:58 PM, Mark Haury wrote: > Shivkumar Chandrasekaran wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >>> I always have to make a minimum of three attempts to update the package lists before it finally goes through. >> >>> Then something's wrong with

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

sebastian maemo wrote: > Yes, I was a bit stressed maybe because every semester I have the same > problem when I happen to reflash my Nokia 770 and am unable to find the > fucking packages I need for my fucking unusable tablet... Sorry about that > and my stressed unpolite fucking language... >

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Mark Haury wrote: > Everybody who owns one of these tablets is not a developer. according to original poster he was after Kismet. That is not a toy your "average" user would install. He did know what he was asking for. He did know about etiquette on ML and he should've checked the facts before acc

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

> 2008/11/22 Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > If you had been after answers you would've either emailed the > maintainer directly Yeah, because every end-user knows exactly how to do that... NOT! > or asked something like "Hey, does anybody know > where I

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Shivkumar Chandrasekaran wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > >> I always have to make a minimum of three >>> attempts to >>> update the package lists before it finally goes through. > >> Then something's wrong with your internet, your tablet, or wrong with >> the reposit

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The specific _accusation_ was that there was some sort of conspiracy from > Nokia to keep kismet out of a repo they don't control. That's not a > question. Sorry, you're right. I thought there was some kind of conspiracy... now I realize it was some i

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Mike Lococo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The tone of your first message in this thread was completely > inappropriate, and has remained so throughout. Ok, I understand. The tone of my first message in this thread was completely inappropiate. It's all my fault... But to change repositories

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 21, 2008, at 8:00 PM, sebastian maemo wrote: > 2008/11/22 Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Nobody's arguing that moving things to the maemo repositories is > bad, > > the issue is the process. > > The specific question was and still is that kismet package has just > completely disa

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

sebastian maemo wrote: > Not an end-user has done non-specific whining at all. This thread started > because of a specific question before deriving into a flame... The tone of your first message in this thread was completely inappropriate, and has remained so throughout. > The specific question

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/22 Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Nobody's arguing that moving things to the maemo repositories is bad, > > the issue is the process. > > Oh? That's what it sounded like to me. Hey, guess I misunderstood. I agree. You completely missed the point... > Non-specific whining really

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ryan Abel wrote: > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Shivkumar Chandrasekaran wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >>> I always have to make a minimum of three attempts to update the package lists before it finally g

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 21, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Shivkumar Chandrasekaran wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > >> I always have to make a minimum of three >>> attempts to >>> update the package lists before it finally goes through. > >> Then something's wrong with your internet, your tablet, or

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I always have to make a minimum of three > > attempts to > > update the package lists before it finally goes through. > Then something's wrong with your internet, your tablet, or wrong with > the repositories you've added to your catalog. I haven't

Re: Default PIM software (was: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Peter Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark wrote: >> Heck, they can't even really >> utilize the camera out of the box. > > That was the biggest mistake, IMHO. I've never used it for the simple > reason that there is no software (that I have found) to do anything

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 21, 2008, at 7:04 PM, Ryan Abel wrote: > On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:24 PM > >> The descriptions are frequently insufficient to figure out what a >> package is or does. > > This is a packager issue, maemo.org has no control over how people > describe their packages. Good descriptions will lik

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:24 PM, Mark wrote: > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Ryan Abel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Clearly transitions like these can cause some short-term instability >> that makes things harder for specific individuals, but the overall >> effect for the community, and the long-t

Re: App-Manager failure (was: Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Peter, Process of elimination, or divide and conquer. Disable all minus 1 or 1/2 of your catalogs in the App Manager. Does a refresh succeed? Re-enable or disable more catalogs as required to until you narrow the offending catalog that causes a failure to refresh. Disclaimer... I'm running

Default PIM software (was: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Mark wrote: > As for the other stuff, for starters, they would more correctly be > called "Web Tablets" or "Web & Email Tablets", not "Internet > Tablets", because the only thing they can do out of the box is surf > the Web and if you're lucky do email. This is marketing, although as the mass of

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:59 PM, lakestevensdental wrote: > Mark wrote: > >> I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly >> slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't >> matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school >> machine on a v

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Peter Flynn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mark wrote: >> The bottom line is that there are some serious problems in the way >> that Nokia has and continues to approach the ITs and support for >> them. Until they not only acknowledge that but address it >> realistical

Re: App-Manager failure (was: Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Peter Flynn wrote: > lakestevensdental wrote: >> As it is, App Manager seems a rather crude work in progress that >> displays the crudest information during the updating process -- it >> doesn't even say what repository catalog is being updated during the >> update pro

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Mark wrote: > I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly > slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't > matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school > machine on a very fast network, it always takes forever for pages on > the ma

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Wow, I'm impressed at how much FUD-spewing sans-facts is going on in this thread. Bravo. So, let me set a few things straight: First, there is ABSOLUTELY no conspiracy involved. Eko1 was not singled out because it contained a pen-testing tool, in fact, it wasn't singled out at all. Niels ha

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Mark wrote: > I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly > slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't > matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school > machine on a very fast network, it always takes forever for pages on > th

App-Manager failure (was: Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

lakestevensdental wrote: > As it is, App Manager seems a rather crude work in progress that > displays the crudest information during the updating process -- it > doesn't even say what repository catalog is being updated during the > update process. Some weeks ago, my App Manager (OS2007, N800)

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Mark wrote: > The bottom line is that there are some serious problems in the way > that Nokia has and continues to approach the ITs and support for > them. Until they not only acknowledge that but address it > realistically, they are going to have to deal with the occasional > "attack". Get used t

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:51 PM, lakestevensdental <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Consolidation -- It's fine with endusers like me if repositories are > consolidated. Perhaps it would help if Nokia offered some sort of > incentive, like low priced/free units and alpha/beta testing for > developers u

Re: Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Tim Teulings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello! > >> ...Which is clearly a bad idea. The details obviously *should* be >> worked out and a timeline chosen so that the switchover can happen >> smoothly. It can be cooperative rather than dictatorial, but that's >> ir

Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

A couple comments on this subject. First, it doesn't do anyone any good to attack the messengers or worker bees regardless of what their involvement with the tablets is. Stuff happens, stuff gets noticed and brought to attention, stuff gets corrected. No one is intentionally screwing things

Re: Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/21 Tim Teulings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > If you want kismet do your port and put it into extras yourself. There was > not "includes kismet" on your product package I'm sure of. Hi Tim, I think you're going the wrong way... Salut, Sebas. PD: Should Nokia place an advertising in their Tab

Aw: Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Hello! > ...Which is clearly a bad idea. The details obviously *should* be > worked out and a timeline chosen so that the switchover can happen > smoothly. It can be cooperative rather than dictatorial, but that's > irrelevant to the end-user. But Nokia did not force me to immediately shutdown th

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

I think Nokia know devices will live on long beyond production. Having the extras repository on maemo.org is a *good* thing. sure, right now there could be teething troubles and specific packages might be missing but in the long-run it will improve. How long should an independent developer keep h

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/21 Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Nokia apparently thinks they can just throw their devices out into the > wild and their responsibility ends there. ;-) That's exactly how I feel about it... Salut, Sebas. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-use

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Tim Teulings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo! > > As one of the people that had shutdown his own repository as response to > mentioned request to consolidate I can assure that such request was very > polite, I was never forced and every help was promised (whic

Re: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/21 Tim Teulings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Note that Nokia regarding this aspect is not Apple. > > Please calm down and let the facts speak. Ok, Tim. I *really* love your contribution to the Maemo community, and anderenen repository was one of my *must*... So I really appreciate your point

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Andre Klapper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Am Freitag, den 21.11.2008, 20:10 +0100 schrieb sebastian maemo: >> 2008/11/21 Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. >> >> Personal attack?... Excuse me, Dave, but

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Am Freitag, den 21.11.2008, 20:10 +0100 schrieb sebastian maemo: > 2008/11/21 Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. > > Personal attack?... Excuse me, Dave, but personal attack is what you > are doing to me! So be careful with what you say, p

Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Hallo! As one of the people that had shutdown his own repository as response to mentioned request to consolidate I can assure that such request was very polite, I was never forced and every help was promised (which I did not need) and no timeline was given. We never talked about the actual cont

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > sebastian maemo wrote: >> Come on, Quim... what good excuse are you going to tell us now...? > > First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. > ...so two wrongs make a right?... >> PD: Sorry very much if you

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/21 Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I get what you're saying, but remember that Nokia is in this for the > money, not for others' benefit or because it's the right thing to do. > That means "planned obsolescence" is in effect, as well as control (in > other words, *not* true FOSS) and other thin

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/21 Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. Personal attack?... Excuse me, Dave, but personal attack is what you are doing to me! So be careful with what you say, please. I'm just an unsatisfied customer, and Quim is Marketing Manager at Nok

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:54 AM, sebastian maemo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/21 Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> In their defense (shocking coming from me, I know...), it's exactly >> this kind of nightmare they're trying to prevent. By making people use >> the official repositories instead

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

2008/11/21 Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In their defense (shocking coming from me, I know...), it's exactly > this kind of nightmare they're trying to prevent. By making people use > the official repositories instead of putting things in their personal > servers all over the Internet, it will make t

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

Hi, sebastian maemo wrote: > Come on, Quim... what good excuse are you going to tell us now...? First, there is no excuse for this personal attack. > PD: Sorry very much if you find this message unpolite, but I'm really > fed up with this kind of situations... Apologising after being impolite

Re: the hell of Maemo repos

In their defense (shocking coming from me, I know...), it's exactly this kind of nightmare they're trying to prevent. By making people use the official repositories instead of putting things in their personal servers all over the Internet, it will make things easier to find and hopefully more relia