Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-12 Thread David W. Hodgins
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:16:38 -0500, Johnny A. Solbu coo...@solbu.net wrote: On Monday 11. February 2013 23.42, David W. Hodgins wrote: make sure there is a line with 127.0.0.1 beria.inria.fr beria in /etc/hosts, then run dracut -f. Why run dracut? My mistake. I was thinking journalctl was

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-11 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 08/02/2013 11:15, Colin Guthrie a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 08/02/13 10:06 did gyre and gimble: Le 07/02/2013 19:40, AL13N a écrit : Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 13:34:06 schreef Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 11:40 did gyre and gimble: [...]

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-11 Thread David W. Hodgins
On Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:59:46 -0500, Guillaume Rousse guillomovi...@gmail.com wrote: Whereas my host name, set from HOSTNAME variable in /etc/sysconfig/network, is beria.inria.fr. I have to restart my syslog daemon to get it correct. So I guess just ensuring the hostname is either set prior the

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-11 Thread Johnny A. Solbu
On Monday 11. February 2013 23.42, David W. Hodgins wrote: make sure there is a line with 127.0.0.1 beria.inria.fr beria in /etc/hosts, then run dracut -f. Why run dracut? -- Johnny A. Solbu PGP key ID: 0xFA687324 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-10 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and eatdirt at 09/02/13 15:18 did gyre and gimble: Are you sure that there still is a problem? There were some bugs that have been fixed months ago. Aside from that the memory usage could be off as journal uses mmap. But systemd always uses the journal (not runtime

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-09 Thread eatdirt
Are you sure that there still is a problem? There were some bugs that have been fixed months ago. Aside from that the memory usage could be off as journal uses mmap. But systemd always uses the journal (not runtime configurable IIRC), so best to make it efficient. It should also somehow be low

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 04:18:32PM +0100, eatdirt wrote: Are you sure that there still is a problem? There were some bugs that have been fixed months ago. Aside from that the memory usage could be off as journal uses mmap. But systemd always uses the journal (not runtime configurable

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-08 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 18:40 did gyre and gimble: Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 13:34:06 schreef Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 11:40 did gyre and gimble: [...] what about the tty12 bug? can this be fixed with journald? it seems to be a feature that people

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-08 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 18:43 did gyre and gimble: Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 15:10:43 schreef Guillaume Rousse: Le 07/02/2013 14:40, Colin Guthrie a écrit : Is anyone against the name system-logger? If so I'll update things accordingly. Other name suggestions welcome. Fine

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-08 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 07/02/2013 19:40, AL13N a écrit : Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 13:34:06 schreef Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 11:40 did gyre and gimble: [...] what about the tty12 bug? can this be fixed with journald? it seems to be a feature that people don't want to lose? Not

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-08 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 08/02/13 10:06 did gyre and gimble: Le 07/02/2013 19:40, AL13N a écrit : Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 13:34:06 schreef Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 11:40 did gyre and gimble: [...] what about the tty12 bug? can this be fixed with

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-08 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 18:40 did gyre and gimble: Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 13:34:06 schreef Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 11:40 did gyre and gimble: [...] what about the tty12

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-08 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 18:40 did gyre and gimble: Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 13:34:06 schreef Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-08 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 08/02/13 10:33 did gyre and gimble: On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Pascal Terjan pter...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 18:40 did gyre and gimble: Op

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble: Colin Guthrie mageia@... writes: Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think there is any argument that would suggest the removal from the repositories or obsoletion of rsyslog or syslog-ng etc. I agree, and that's

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread AL13N
'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble: [...] What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be removed when

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble: [...] What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble: Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble: [...] What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media would be to put a versioned

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 11:40 did gyre and gimble: 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble: [...] What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the physical media would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd package with rsyslog

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread Pascal Terjan
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble: Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble: [...] What I guess we could to to

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Pascal Terjan at 07/02/13 13:35 did gyre and gimble: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:30 PM, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: 'Twas brillig, and Guillaume Rousse at 07/02/13 12:20 did gyre and gimble: Le 07/02/2013 12:40, AL13N a écrit : 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 07/02/13 15:35 did gyre and gimble: --- On Thu, 2/7/13, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: From: Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl To: Mageia development mailing-list mageia-dev@mageia.org Cc

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread David Walser
--- On Thu, 2/7/13, Colin Guthrie mag...@colin.guthr.ie wrote: rsyslog and it's packaging in relation to systemd has certainly changed a lot... dunno exactly how much harm it would do but it would be a combination we'd need to cover in QA to make sure. Better if it can just be avoided if

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-07 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 07:40:51PM +0100, AL13N wrote: Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 13:34:06 schreef Colin Guthrie: 'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 11:40 did gyre and gimble: [...] what about the tty12 bug? can this be fixed with journald? it seems to be a feature that people don't

[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-06 Thread Anne Nicolas
Hi there There was a discussion yesterday evening in packager meeting about what we should do with rsyslog. It's needed for upgrade from Mageia 2. But journalctl is now installed by default. Is there some requirement for systemd ? Shall we have both installed? We need an answer to deal with

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 09:43:41AM +0100, Anne Nicolas wrote: There was a discussion yesterday evening in packager meeting about what we should do with rsyslog. It's needed for upgrade from Mageia 2. But journalctl is now installed by default. Is there some requirement for systemd ? Shall we

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-06 Thread EatDirt
On 06/02/13 09:52, Olav Vitters wrote: By default Mageia 3 should only have journalctl. Optionally you can still install rsyslog. Any syslog package will store the same information as journalctl does. Installing this by default provides little benefit, so it was decided that we only do

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-06 Thread Olav Vitters
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 10:35:12AM +0100, EatDirt wrote: On 06/02/13 09:52, Olav Vitters wrote: By default Mageia 3 should only have journalctl. Optionally you can still install rsyslog. Any syslog package will store the same information as journalctl does. Installing this by default

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-06 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 06/02/13 08:43 did gyre and gimble: There was a discussion yesterday evening in packager meeting about what we should do with rsyslog. It's needed for upgrade from Mageia 2. But journalctl is now installed by default. Is there some requirement for systemd ?

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-06 Thread AL13N
'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 06/02/13 08:43 did gyre and gimble: There was a discussion yesterday evening in packager meeting about what we should do with rsyslog. It's needed for upgrade from Mageia 2. But journalctl is now installed by default. Is there some requirement for systemd ?

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-06 Thread Colin Guthrie
'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 06/02/13 12:02 did gyre and gimble: 'Twas brillig, and Anne Nicolas at 06/02/13 08:43 did gyre and gimble: There was a discussion yesterday evening in packager meeting about what we should do with rsyslog. It's needed for upgrade from Mageia 2. But journalctl is now

Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl

2013-02-06 Thread David Walser
Colin Guthrie mageia@... writes: Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think there is any argument that would suggest the removal from the repositories or obsoletion of rsyslog or syslog-ng etc. I agree, and that's consistent with what you've said in the past. I thought it was odd that the