Hello,
I am running Mailman version 2.1.6 and recently had to move my servers
from one data center to another. This necessitated a change of IPs.
Since the move, Mailman has refused to send out posts from my lists.
Mail gets to the host and is redirected through aliases to the proper
location,
On 2/21/08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Granted, Brad himself often criticizes the implementation at AOL,
> Yahoo, et al. But the underlying strategy is the same. "Stop spam as
> far upstream as you can."
Yeah, but SPF/SenderID and DKIM/DomainKeys are not the right tools to
be forcing ever
On 2/21/08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> C'mon, Mark, you know that the only problem here is that there's no
> accepted standard; they have to authenticate "you" somehow (do you
> really want me to be able to spoof you and get information about your
> mail to Yahoo customers?), and the right "
On 2/20/08, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> The really bad situation is when an e-mail forwarder that is setup on my
> server that forwards both legitimate mail and spam (when it makes it through
> my anti-spam system) to their AOL or Yahoo account and the user then clicks
> that wicked "spam" button
On 2/21/08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> > It's just yahoo that behaves like a black sheep in this game.
>
> But that's simply not true. AOL has a deservedly bad reputation, as
> does Hotmail. I've had problems with a number of universities, as
> well (deserved, in a sense, but it was damn h
On 2/20/08, Attila Kinali wrote:
>> This is just selective greylisting, which lots of sites use as a
>> blanket policy.
>
> It's definitly not greylisting. Our server sends out a few dozen mails
> a day on the low traffic lists to a few hundred on the high traffic ones.
> Any greylisting that
On 2/21/08, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> If you're in a hosted environment, you might think about asking your
> host to implement domain keys and/or PGP-signing your mail. (Mailman
> is (was?) not friendly to domain keys of non-owner posters, but in the
> case of an announcement list having t
Hi
I keep seeing this error in my mailman error logs.
I've tried googling it for reasons but to no avail.
Anyone seen it before/have a reason.
Feb 21 17:03:21 2008 (16810) SHUNTING:
1176744092.7541261+83406355fa8fca831709ca6993e45b1b8763a180
Feb 21 17:03:25 2008 (16810) Uncaught runner exceptio
Mark Sapiro writes:
> That's not what I understood it to say. I understand they need to
> authenticate me somehow as the person authorized to receive reports
> about my mail to yahoo.com recipients, but I thought it said that in
> order for me to participate in the feedback program at all, my
Brian Carpenter writes:
> This wouldn't be a problem if they just applied a filter to that person's
> e-mail address but to block an server's IP from sending any e-mail to all
> their users?
Hold that shudder ...
> and none of the major e-mail providers are willing to come up with
> a syst
<>
I thought so Brian, so RRRGGG!
And I only have prob with ONE aol'er (who HAS a comcast account but keeps
forgetting his comcast password!!!). So periodically I have top open a Service
Ticket with my provider and ask them to RE-contact (POS) aol.
Goog thing is tho, only
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>Mark Sapiro writes:
>
> > Then I read further and found "To participate in the program,
> > senders must sign their outbound emails with DomainKeys (DKIM is
> > not currently supported)."
> >
> > This is the second time in recent weeks that some large mail service
> >
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 8:23 PM
> To: Brian Carpenter; 'Gabriel Millerd'; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
>
> Brian Carpenter wrote:
> >
> >I find it v
Mark Sapiro writes:
> Then I read further and found "To participate in the program,
> senders must sign their outbound emails with DomainKeys (DKIM is
> not currently supported)."
>
> This is the second time in recent weeks that some large mail service
> has used it's 600 lb. gorilla status
Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
>I find it very problematic when a large ISP such as AOL and Yahoo allows their
>users to define what is spam is and what is not.
Well, in one sense, only the final recipient can determine what is spam
and what is not, but I certainly agree that providing a "this is spam
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
>Are you getting the "deferral based on customer complaints"? If so,
>do you think they're lying about that, or something? (I'm not
>claiming that you or any of your clients are spamming, and I don't
>really care whether Yahoo customers are on average dumber than a
>f
> -Original Message-
> From: Gabriel Millerd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:51 PM
> To: Brian Carpenter; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
>
> On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brian Carpenter <[EMAIL
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Brian Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As for customer complaints, I would not be able to tell since Yahoo makes it
> just about impossible to get on their feedback loop program. Believe me AOL
>
Couldnt this just be an issue of people on the list marki
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, the messages I see, and the message Rick posted all seem to come
> in response to the initial connect. Thus, Rick's hosting company
> should be looking at themselve rather than Rick's list since it is
> apparently
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:05 PM
> To: Brian Carpenter
> Cc: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
>
> Brian Carpenter writes:
>
> > Well we have be
Stephen you are my hero!
Regards,
Brian
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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mailman-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen J.
> Turnb
Charles Marcus writes:
> No one has a 'Right' to talk to anyone else's mail server.
Everybody here concedes that, I think.
> If they aren't playing well, document it: let anyone who uses your
> services know that if THEY choose to use a problematic service, that is
> their choice and their
Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>Attila Kinali writes:
>
> > > This is just selective greylisting, which lots of sites use as a
> > > blanket policy.
> >
> > It's definitly not greylisting. Our server sends out a few dozen mails
> > a day on the low traffic lists to a few hundred on the high traffic o
Brian Carpenter writes:
> Well we have been using domain keys as per yahoo's instructions and I
> haven't seen any reductions in yahoo's deferrals.
Well, they don't promise that any of those measures will get your mail
through. And, to be sure, if I were them, I would not count domain
keys as
Attila Kinali writes:
> It's just yahoo that behaves like a black sheep in this game.
But that's simply not true. AOL has a deservedly bad reputation, as
does Hotmail. I've had problems with a number of universities, as
well (deserved, in a sense, but it was damn hard to get off the ban
list o
Attila Kinali writes:
> > This is just selective greylisting, which lots of sites use as a
> > blanket policy.
>
> It's definitly not greylisting. Our server sends out a few dozen mails
> a day on the low traffic lists to a few hundred on the high traffic ones.
> Any greylisting that is hal
Charles Marcus wrote:
> On 2/20/2008, Dennis Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
>> postfix/main.cf
>> yahoo_destination_recipient_limit = 5 # matches Yahoo's limit
>> yahoo_destination_concurreny_limit = 2
>>
>
> I may be wrong, but I don't think you can add comments like that, onl
On 2/20/2008, Dennis Black ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> postfix/main.cf
> yahoo_destination_recipient_limit = 5 # matches Yahoo's limit
> yahoo_destination_concurreny_limit = 2
I may be wrong, but I don't think you can add comments like that, only
on lines that START with a '#'... so it
On 2/20/2008, Brian Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>> I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate
>>> e-mail communications
>> Sorry, I just don't see this... they are providing a FREE service.
>>
>> If you aren't happy with it, go somewhere else.
>>
>> What I would
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen J. Turnbull [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> You're welcome to like the attitude, but it's really just the flip
> side of Yahoo's. The problem is spam, not Yahoo, and Yahoo serves a
> clientele that in general cares more about spam getting through when
> t
> On 2/20/2008, Brian Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate
> > e-mail communications
>
> Sorry, I just don;'t see this... they are providing a FREE service.
>
> If you aren;t happy with it, go somewhere else.
>
> What I would
On 2/20/2008, Brian Carpenter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I think Yahoo should be sued for their interference of legitimate
> e-mail communications
Sorry, I just don;'t see this... they are providing a FREE service.
If you aren;t happy with it, go somewhere else.
What I would do if I were you i
From: "Rick Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
from remote mail server after initial connection: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com
[206.190.53.191]: 421 4.7.0 [TS02] Messages from 216.104.33.122
Quoting Larry Stone ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> > I'm not blaming Mailman...I'm just asking if there is something about
> > Mailman that I can change that will overcome this. Changing anything about
> > Yahoo would be like changing heaven and earth. Surely, someone else is
> > experiencing this issue
Mark Sapiro wrote at 08:21 AM 2/20/2008:
>>Thanks for your reply. I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
>>and ultimately something that will never be cured. I was hoping since I
>>only run one small list that there was a "magic" switch that I could flip
>>that would get past Yahoo
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:30:38 +0900
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brian Carpenter writes:
> [ IIRC it was Attila Kinali who wrote: ]
>
> > > If yahoo wants to receive mails from my server (and i'm sure
> > > they want because their users subscribed to my lists), then
> > >
今晩は
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 02:11:04 +0900
"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Attila Kinali writes:
>
> > On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600
> > "Rick Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
> > > fro
I guess the point of this and other messages regarding spam is that Yahoo is
being very cautious and erring on the side of protecting their clients.
Meanwhile, in my Yahoo mail account this morning, I flagged as spam a
message supposedly coming from Yahoo mail offering me random prizes, an
offer fo
Brian Carpenter writes:
[ IIRC it was Attila Kinali who wrote: ]
> > If yahoo wants to receive mails from my server (and i'm sure
> > they want because their users subscribed to my lists), then
> > they have to play nice like everyone else too.
>
> I like your attitude!
You're welcome to li
Attila Kinali writes:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600
> "Rick Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
> > from remote mail server after initial connection: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com
> > [206.190.53.191]: 421 4.7.0 [
> -Original Message-
> From: Dennis Black [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:24 AM
> To: Brian Carpenter
> Cc: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
>
> Brian Carpenter wrote:
> >> -Original Message
Roberto Gherardi wrote:
>
>I have a problem whit the bounce.
>
>I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the
>engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address
>e-mail
No. Not in Mailman. If you want to redirect or copy all bounces from a
spe
>Hi,
>
>I have a problem whit the bounce.
>
>I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the
>engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address
>e-mail
>
>
>Many Thanks
>
>RGdC
You can change the aliases file
/var/lib/mailman/data/aliases (
Brian Carpenter wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Rick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:57 AM
>> To: 'Brian Carpenter'; 'Attila Kinali'
>> Cc: mailman-users@python.org
>> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
>>
>> Yes.
Rick Harris wrote:
>Thanks for your reply. I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
>and ultimately something that will never be cured. I was hoping since I
>only run one small list that there was a "magic" switch that I could flip
>that would get past Yahoo.
If you are convinced tha
> "Rick Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the
> fact
> > that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the
> flag).
> > Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for
> personalization
> > is turne
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:57:22 -0600
"Rick Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the fact
> that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the flag).
> Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for personali
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 10:57 AM
> To: 'Brian Carpenter'; 'Attila Kinali'
> Cc: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman postings deferred by Yahoo
>
> Yes. I am on a shared server. It
Hello,
2008/2/20, Rick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the fact
> that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the flag).
> Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for personalization
> is turned off
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:48:17 -0500
"Brian Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really think the best option is to get our mailman list subscribers to
> start using another e-mail provider. I think Yahoo should be sued for their
> interference of legitimate e-mail communications and the way th
Yes. I am on a shared server. It seems that Yahoo picks up on the fact
that this is going to multiple recipients (apparent 5+ raises the flag).
Since I am on a shared server, it appears that my option for personalization
is turned off. If I understand correctly, personalization might overcome
th
> > My Mailman list is very small with < 20 members and only 3 Yahoo
> addresses
> > and the user complaint thing is bogus. This is a golf list for crying
> out
> > loud.all of the members want to know what their tee times are for
> Saturday!
> > All of Yahoo addresses have the same issue, even my
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 05:15:58 -0600
"Rick Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
> from remote mail server after initial connection: host g.mx.mail.yahoo.com
> [206.190.53.191]: 421 4.7.0 [TS02] Messages from 216.104.33.122 temporari
Rick Harris wrote:
> Thanks for your reply. I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
> and ultimately something that will never be cured. I was hoping since I
> only run one small list that there was a "magic" switch that I could flip
> that would get past Yahoo.
>
> Rick Harris
>
>
Thanks for your reply. I understand that ultimately it is a Yahoo problem
and ultimately something that will never be cured. I was hoping since I
only run one small list that there was a "magic" switch that I could flip
that would get past Yahoo.
Rick Harris
-Original Message-
From: Bri
>
> My Mailman list is very small with < 20 members and only 3 Yahoo
> addresses
> and the user complaint thing is bogus. This is a golf list for crying
> out
> loud.all of the members want to know what their tee times are for
> Saturday!
> All of Yahoo addresses have the same issue, even my own w
On 2/20/08 6:06 AM, Rick Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thank you for the response.
>
> I have spent time testing individual mail to the same addresses from the
> same source and I am successful.
>
> What I failed to note in my posting is that this occurs when the mail is
> going to multip
This sounds like an anitspam tactic to me. Messages addressed to multiple
recipients are deferred, since a lot of spammers won't try sending a deferred
message again; It's not worth their time or resources to keep track of deferred
messages, and then go back and retry them. A legitimate mail wil
Hi,
I have a problem whit the bounce.
I would like to know if I can redirect all messages bounce (managed by the
engine internal mailman) of a particular news letter on a specific address
e-mail
Many Thanks
RGdC
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Thank you for the response.
I have spent time testing individual mail to the same addresses from the
same source and I am successful.
What I failed to note in my posting is that this occurs when the mail is
going to multiple addresses as in a normal post. If I go into my list and
turn every
Well I found a workaround for my problem. I used in the CGIEmail, as
was suggested yesterday, to just use an email address in the FROM line
of my CGI form file that was accepted by the email list and it worked
famously.
I don't know why I had not thought of that but I appreciate the insight
an
Hi,
2008/2/20, Rick Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> My hosting company tells me that the mail logs indicate that the majority of
> Mailman's messages to Yahoo addresses return a "deferred" message. Here is
> the complete message:
This is not even remotely mailman related. I have the same issue wit
My hosting company tells me that the mail logs indicate that the majority of
Mailman's messages to Yahoo addresses return a "deferred" message. Here is
the complete message:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] R=lookuphost T=remote_smtp defer (0): SMTP error
from remote mail server after initial connection: hos
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