On 8/27/2020 12:41 PM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
On 2020-08-27 13:15, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
3. Captchas are a worst practice in security and should never be used.
They can be and are defeated at will by any adversary who wants to
trouble themselves to do so. They're also user-hostile. There are mu
On 2020-08-27 13:15, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> 3. Captchas are a worst practice in security and should never be used.
> They can be and are defeated at will by any adversary who wants to
> trouble themselves to do so. They're also user-hostile. There are much
> better methods available for protectin
Phil Stracchino writes:
> On 2020-08-27 12:30, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> I'm still not clear on what you (Jim) are really wanting to do. I may be
>> wrong on this, but I don't see any distros picking up new versions of
>> Mailman 2.1 unless they come from some 'official' source and so far, the
>> GNU
On 8/27/2020 3:27 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Dmitri Maziuk writes:
> The point was that the argument about MM3 having a long life expectancy
> "because python 3" is not in any way, shape, or form supported by the
> history of the python programming language to date.
*chortle* *In Mail
> On 8/27/2020 9:54 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
>> Currently there is no active ebuild for mailman in Gentoo. 2.1.33 has
>> been masked, there is no 2.1.34, and 3.3.0 and 3.3.1 exist but have not
>> yet been marked stable or unmasked.
>
> FWIW, FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE amd64 has 2.1.34 in both the pkg
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 09:28:30AM -0400, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
> So, I have volunteered to spearhead an effort to add one or two more
> people to the Mailman Coders group[2] in order to vet and approve new
> features that continue the long tradition of providing value to Mailman
>
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 10:05 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 8/27/20 3:29 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
> > There is sooo much to respond to, but in order to stay on focus...
> > Brian, you fail to identify the problem, in fact you mischaracterized
> > it. Mark is essentially gatekeepin
On 8/27/2020 9:54 AM, Phil Stracchino wrote:
Currently there is no active ebuild for mailman in Gentoo. 2.1.33 has
been masked, there is no 2.1.34, and 3.3.0 and 3.3.1 exist but have not
yet been marked stable or unmasked.
FWIW, FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE amd64 has 2.1.34 in both the pkg repo and t
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 09:30 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> On 8/27/20 3:41 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
> > On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:41 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> > > The question for you is what benefit there is to anyone in having
> > > Mailman 2 maintenance inside the Mailman
On 8/27/20 3:29 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
>
> There is sooo much to respond to, but in order to stay on focus...
> Brian, you fail to identify the problem, in fact you mischaracterized
> it. Mark is essentially gatekeeping. He is saying that he wants to
> continue to control sec
On 2020-08-27 12:30, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> I'm still not clear on what you (Jim) are really wanting to do. I may be
> wrong on this, but I don't see any distros picking up new versions of
> Mailman 2.1 unless they come from some 'official' source and so far, the
> GNU-Mailman project is the only suc
On 8/27/20 3:34 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
>
> Stephen, just who do you think did the DMARC research and work in MM2?
> Phil, Mark, care to chime in on this?
The original DMARC mitigation work was contributed by Franck Martin of
LinkedIn and was in Mailman as a site optional fea
On 8/27/20 3:41 AM, Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:41 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>>
>> The question for you is what benefit there is to anyone in having
>> Mailman 2 maintenance inside the Mailman Project going forward.
>
> You mean inside the Mailman3 P
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:27 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> MM3, on the other hand, not only has three more or less active
> developers, it also has frequent releases including new features as
> well as bug fixes.
That could still be happening for MM2 if not for some imaginary line in
the sand
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:41 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
>
> The question for you is what benefit there is to anyone in having
> Mailman 2 maintenance inside the Mailman Project going forward.
You mean inside the Mailman3 Project at mailman3.org? None.
> The Mailman Project certainly doe
On Thu, 2020-08-27 at 17:24 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Brian Carpenter writes:
> > On 8/26/20 6:25 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
> > >
> > > As someone regularly uses and maintains a fair bit of old and antique
> > > machinery, MM2 still has a lot of life in it.
>
> In particular, MM2 L10N
On Wed, 2020-08-26 at 23:17 -0400, Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
> I am sure Mark has moved on from Mailman 2, at least he has said that on
> numerous occasions. It is you folks that won't let him.
There is sooo much to respond to, but in order to stay on focus...
Brian, you fail to identify the pr
Jim Popovitch via Mailman-Users writes:
> That, *that* ^^^, is my point. I want to take that on, I want to
> work with contributors to commit their vetted and tested patches
> into the mm2 branch, I've basically been told to go somewhere else
> to do it.
You have not been told to go elsewher
Dmitri Maziuk writes:
> The point was that the argument about MM3 having a long life expectancy
> "because python 3" is not in any way, shape, or form supported by the
> history of the python programming language to date.
*chortle* *In Mailman's experience* Python's backward compatibility
re
Brian Carpenter writes:
> On 8/26/20 6:25 PM, Carl Zwanzig wrote:
> >
> > As someone regularly uses and maintains a fair bit of old and antique
> > machinery, MM2 still has a lot of life in it.
In particular, MM2 L10N supports a couple dozen languages, including
the major Han languages and di
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