On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:11:18 -0500, Scott Mutter via mailop
wrote:
>All the while, our users see us as being the bad guys. They don't believe
>that Microsoft/Hotmail/Outlook can be a bad guy because they're too big.
As an American public corporation, there is exactly ONE way in which MSFT can
b
As others have pointed out, you are not Microsoft's customer and they
have no obligation to provide service to you. If their customers, the
people you are trying to send mail to, are not complaining about your
mail not reaching them they have no incentive to react. If their
customers start to
On 29 Jun 2020, at 14:11, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
Microsoft has not provided any evidence that anything bad has ever
come
from this IP address. (Which the pros/cons of disclosing this have
already
been discussed)
I don't think that in the current state of affairs, they *have* to
p
Maybe the answer is that not enough other mail server administrators are
shining a light on just how poorly Microsoft (and any other big named
provider) does in regards to incidents like this.
In my particular case at the moment, Microsoft is blocking one of our mail
server IPs.
Microsoft has not
Am 29.06.20 um 21:30 schrieb Michael Wise via mailop:
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>
> A **VERY** strong economic argument.
>
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>
I know. I'm mainly venting my frustration, knowing too well that my activity
won't flip a single bit in Redmond.
Hoping that some organization would do the right thing because it's the rig
A *VERY* strong economic argument.
Issues with the sender.office.com website have been escalated, but as of yet
I’m unaware of a response, and other duties are demanding my attention at the
moment. I’ll update when I can.
Aloha,
Michael.
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Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysi
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:39:39 +0200, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
wrote:
>I would draw the line where someone identifies himself properly and brings a
>plausible explanation of events - "we only
>acquired the IP range recently" can be checked and is pretty plausible. If
>someone contacts us abo
In article you write:
>Mail operators who refuse to accept mail from peer mail operators (not
>anonymous
>spammers) may find themselves in the
>same boat pretty quickly, as they depend on getting their mail delivered to
>others
>as well. I've been on the verge of
>rejecting mail from the Microso
Am 29.06.20 um 16:42 schrieb Michael Rathbun via mailop:
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:46:05 +0200, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
> wrote:
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>> Am 29.06.2020 13:16, schrieb Laura Atkins via mailop:
>>> On the advice of their lawyers Microsoft doesnt share that
>>> information with senders.
>>>
>>> lau
Might I also suggest that Microsoft needs a form or chat on their website
where other email server administrators can submit to
Microsoft/Hotmail/Outlook mail server administrators.
I keep getting on chat explaining that Microsoft/Hotmail/Outlook is
blocking one of our mail server IPs, and I keep
SNDS and JMRP are not dead.
We're receiving 35k-45k JMRP complaints daily.
We've got many hundreds of clients signed up for and accessing the
SNDS reputation data portal daily.
SNDS is buggy in places, but it's not dead.
Cheers,
Al Iverson
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Al Iverson // Wombatmail // Chicago
Song a day! http
> Without giving any message/sender/recipient details away (that the
> sending mail admin can't already see) they could give the ID of the
> message transaction
That almost sounds like it would make too much sense.
> Or, maybe, it's because Microsoft's lawyers know that their systems are
> a bit
Same here. I can't get the "Submit" button to become active (using Firefox on a
Mac).
Regards,
Mark
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For Companies With Mission-Critical Email Needs
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On 29/06/2020 13:08, Scott Mutter via mailop wrote:
> On the advice of their lawyers Microsoft doesn’t share that
information with senders.
And I understand the reasons for that. But... can't you see how this
turns into a "he said / she said" argument?
Without giving any message/sender/reci
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:46:05 +0200, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
wrote:
>Am 29.06.2020 13:16, schrieb Laura Atkins via mailop:
>> On the advice of their lawyers Microsoft doesnt share that
>> information with senders.
>>
>> laura
>>
>
>Sounds a bit like Kafka's "Der Prozess". Don't tell the d
Am 29.06.2020 13:16, schrieb Laura Atkins via mailop:
On the advice of their lawyers Microsoft doesn’t share that
information with senders.
laura
Sounds a bit like Kafka's "Der Prozess". Don't tell the defendant what
he's being accused of...
Cheers,
Hans-Martin
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> For weeks I haven't been able to submit the form to remove RBLs -- each
time it says (regardless of browser):
> "We're sorry, but something went wrong on our end. Please try again later"
> Anyone else experienced that?
Same here. See my post to this list from June 10th - Subject: "Hotmail -
New
JMRP never reported anything for me. Admittedly it has been several years
since I signed any of our IPs up for it. But when I was signed up, we'd go
through stretches where the IP would be blocked but nothing ever came
through JMRP. That's why I quit signing up IPs for it - didn't see much
reaso
On 27/06/2020 5:54 am, Tim Bray via mailop wrote:
> On 24/06/2020 23:03, Al Iverson via mailop wrote:
>> Yep, fill out this
>> form:http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866
For weeks I haven't been able to submit the form to remove RBLs -- each time it
says (regardless of browser):
"We're
> On the advice of their lawyers Microsoft doesn’t share that information
with senders.
And I understand the reasons for that. But... can't you see how this turns
into a "he said / she said" argument?
Microsoft: "Your IP sent us spam, so we're blocking you."
Mail Server Admin: "I don't see any s
This is the first I’ve heard of the FBL disappearing. Do you have any evidence
for that claim?
laura
> On 29 Jun 2020, at 12:52, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
>
> The SNDS/JMRP program used to. Anecdotally, the feedback loop disappeared
> with the advent of GDRP and/or CCPA early this year.
>
The SNDS/JMRP program used to. Anecdotally, the feedback loop
disappeared with the advent of GDRP and/or CCPA early this year.
Regards,
KAM
On 6/29/2020 7:16 AM, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
> On the advice of their lawyers Microsoft doesn’t share that
> information with senders.
>
> laura
>
On the advice of their lawyers Microsoft doesn’t share that information with
senders.
laura
> On 29 Jun 2020, at 06:18, Esteban Fonseca via mailop
> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> Has anyone ever had success getting feedback from Microsoft ? Stuff like what
> caused the block, and when, thin
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