[mailop] Gmail users on mailing lists

Apparently Gmail is now using very strict rules for replies sent to both the mailing lists and the OP (aka Reply to all): to=<...>, relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.9.27]:25, delay=73156, delays=73155/0.04/0.56/0.17, dsn=4.7.28, status=deferred (host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

Dnia 23.09.2021 o godz. 20:41:41 Michael Peddemors via mailop pisze: > It's just really sad, that instead of going after malicious > dangerous offenders we keep bringing on new laws to make it harder > to do so. GDPR, anonymous domain registries etc.. Why do you assume that GDPR is a law directed

Re: [mailop] Gmail users on mailing lists

> On Sep 24, 2021, at 12:49 AM, Gregory Heytings via mailop > wrote: > > > Apparently Gmail is now using very strict rules for replies sent to both the > mailing lists and the OP (aka Reply to all): > > to=<...>, relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[142.251.9.27]:25, > delay=73156, delays

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

Hi, Dňa 24. 9. o 11:40 Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop napísal(a): > This *is* a law that "helps protect the innocent victims". Yes, it is > sometimes poorly (or intentionally wrongly) implemented, such an abusing the > "legitimate interest" concept included in the GDPR by many advertisers to > still flo

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

Hi Jaroslaw I think you misunderstood what Michael wrote. I think he was refering to the changes in WHOIS, which makes it harder to find correlating abusers, since the data is now hidden due to the implementation of GDPR. Privacy is sometimes a two-edged sword. /Sidsel > On 24 Sep 2021, at 11

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

Dnia 24.09.2021 o godz. 13:36:28 Sidsel Jensen via mailop pisze: > > I think you misunderstood what Michael wrote. I think he was refering to > the changes in WHOIS, which makes it harder to find correlating abusers, > since the data is now hidden due to the implementation of GDPR. Privacy > is s

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

On 9/24/21 13:36, Sidsel Jensen via mailop wrote: > I think you misunderstood what Michael wrote. I think he was refering > to the changes in WHOIS, which makes it harder to find correlating > abusers, since the data is now hidden due to the implementation of > GDPR. Privacy is sometimes a two-edge

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

In my estimation, how would they know that it didn't get to the inbox if you... just don't tell them? Possibly a naive thought, possibly not. *Zach RoseEmail Deliverability Manager* [image: SharpSpring Marketing Automation] Partner Support: 1-888-428-9605, option 1 E

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

On Fri, 2021-09-24 at 13:36 +0200, Sidsel Jensen via mailop wrote: > Privacy is sometimes a two-edged sword. Privacy is a two-concepts word whose combination is misunderstood by most: Property+Secrecy. Property: the right to exclude others from using what is yours. Secrecy: the effort to hide

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

> On Sep 23, 2021, at 9:08 PM, John Levine via mailop wrote: > > It appears that Jarland Donnell via mailop said: >>> * “the provider has a good faith, reasonable belief that the message >>> contains malicious computer code, obscene material, material depicting >>> sexual conduct, or material

[mailop] Does someone have a postmaster contact for smtp.wi.gov / wisconsin.gov

I'm trying to troubleshoot what appears like a packet filtering issue. Pointers appreciated. -lem ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

on Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 11:40:22AM +0200, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > This *is* a law that "helps protect the innocent victims". Yes, it is > sometimes poorly (or intentionally wrongly) implemented, such an abusing the > "legitimate interest" concept included in the GDPR by many advertisers t

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 24 Sep 2021 14:45:08 + Steven Champeon via mailop napísal: > Looking up the domain in Google gives you the parent organization, as > well as a link to a French Wikipedia page containing their address, > leadership, history, URL, etc. so the net effect is that GDPR > destroying

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

On 2021-09-24 at 11:50:24 UTC-0400 (Fri, 24 Sep 2021 17:50:24 +0200) Slavko via mailop is rumored to have said: While i cannot comment mentioned OVH domain, i will ask, why anyone have to know from WHOIS of my domain my name, or my address or anything about me as private person? Yes, if someo

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

Am 24.09.21 um 17:50 schrieb Slavko via mailop: > > While i cannot comment mentioned OVH domain, i will ask, why anyone > have to know from WHOIS of my domain my name, or my address or anything > about me as private person? Yes, if someone has archive of WHOIS > response, it was there and i was not

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

I'm not going to dispute that the law is dumb (because it certainly is), but Prof. Goldman misses the mark on the spam filtering issue, I think. If he mentioned new Tex. Bus. & Comm. Code Sec. 321.054(1) ("the provider is authorized to block the transmission under Section 321.114 or other applicab

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

Ahoj, Dňa Fri, 24 Sep 2021 12:36:23 -0400 Bill Cole via mailop napísal: > On 2021-09-24 at 11:50:24 UTC-0400 (Fri, 24 Sep 2021 17:50:24 +0200) > Slavko via mailop > is rumored to have said: > > > While i cannot comment mentioned OVH domain, i will ask, why anyone > > have to know from WHOIS of

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

What will be better with my services, when i publish my name? Do you know me? What will prevent me to publish fictive name or use someone else to register domain for me? You do not need know me, you only need to know, if my servers abuse you or not. Nothing more, nothing less, exactly as on the st

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

Its 2021. You either love privacy or you hate privacy. Pick a side. Who has time for nuance. On Fri, Sep 24, 2021, 1:11 PM Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote: > > What will be better with my services, when i publish my name? Do you > > know me? What will prevent me to publish fictive name or use s

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

On 9/24/21 3:05 PM, Luke via mailop wrote: Its 2021. What does the year have to do with it? You either love privacy or you hate privacy. Pick a side. I love using privacy from a personal / individual stand point. I dislike (but don't hate) privacy from a network administrator's standpoint

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

I seem to have plenty of time for nuance. I value privacy for my customers, very little for myself. I'm routinely annoyed by the anonymity of career spammers, which is exactly why I know they'll never meet me in a court room. They'd have to give it up. On 2021-09-24 23:05, Luke via mailop wrot

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

on Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:36:23PM -0400, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: > Owning an operational domain name makes you a public person. A > domain name is a claim on a specific piece of the public commons of > the DNS. In many places (including the US and at least some European > countries) you can on

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/22/22688331/texas-hb-20-first-amendment-lawsuit-social-media-censorship though not over the email spam provision at this time. The text of the law contains the usual severability provisions, but I won't make any predictions what, if any, parts of this survive til D

Re: [mailop] Got any users in Texas? Better turn off your spam filters by Dec 2

On Fri, 2021-09-24 at 12:36 -0400, Bill Cole via mailop wrote: > Owning an operational domain name makes you a public person. [...] > In many places (including the US and at least some European > countries) you can only own land if your 'title' to that land is > registered with the government in an