>>> The basic problem is allowing an ESP customer to import a list that
>>> existed before the customer became a customer of this ESP. I can't
>>> think of an ESP that would not allow that.
>>
>> I saw this again as someone replied to it.
>>
>> Sadly, there is at least one legitimate reasons to
Am 22. Juli 2022 11:34:16 schrieb Laura Atkins via mailop :
ESPs have many, many problems, but the fixes being suggested here on mailop
are overly simplistic and evidence a lack of conceptual understanding of
how bulk email is sent in 2022.
Suggested technical fixes are certainly too simpl
Ahoj,
Dňa Fri, 22 Jul 2022 10:21:44 +0100 Laura Atkins via mailop
napísal:
> ESPs have many, many problems, but the fixes being suggested here on
> mailop are overly simplistic and evidence a lack of conceptual
> understanding of how bulk email is sent in 2022.
Sure, complex things has complex
> On 22 Jul 2022, at 11:13, Slavko via mailop wrote:
>
> Ahoj,
>
> Dňa Fri, 22 Jul 2022 10:21:44 +0100 Laura Atkins via mailop
> napísal:
>
>> ESPs have many, many problems, but the fixes being suggested here on
>> mailop are overly simplistic and evidence a lack of conceptual
>> understandi
On 22/07/2022 10:21, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>> After that there should be an integrated opt-in process to verify any
>> new email address for that ESP customer's list.
>
> While this sounds simple and like a no-brainer, it doesn’t account for how
> complex many companies email programs ar
> On 22 Jul 2022, at 12:22, Simon Arlott via mailop wrote:
>
> On 22/07/2022 10:21, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>>> After that there should be an integrated opt-in process to verify any
>>> new email address for that ESP customer's list.
>>
>> While this sounds simple and like a no-brainer,
Hi Laura, *!
/
The ESPs are interested in sender reputation. But, in this context, reputation
means “Our mail gets accepted at the ISPs”. In that context their reputation is
fine. They’re not being blocked. Specific customers may have delivery problems,
but a lot of the modern machine learning
On 22 Jul 2022, at 6:31, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
> I’m agreeing there is a problem with ESPs and have said so to ESPs
> individually and as a group over the last few weeks.
Something that I don't see mentioned often enough and that would help, is to
retain records of bounces—even of hash
> On 22 Jul 2022, at 16:02, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop wrote:
>
> On 22 Jul 2022, at 6:31, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>
>> I’m agreeing there is a problem with ESPs and have said so to ESPs
>> individually and as a group over the last few weeks.
>
> Something that I don't see mentioned oft
Dňa 22. júla 2022 15:49:08 UTC používateľ Laura Atkins via mailop
napísal:
>In many, many cases the issue is that other customers are mailing to the same
>address - and just because an address bounces for X sender doesn’t mean that
>it shouldn’t be mailed for Y sender. One clear example is whe
On 22 Jul 2022, at 11:49, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
>> This would allow the ESP to quickly "fail" the API request to send to that
>> email address. There are other metrics that could be tied into those
>> addresses and used to provide a more expedite response to the caller, which
>> incide
On 7/22/22 8:49 AM, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
That’s normal practice as far as I’m aware. If an address bounces the
ESP prevents the sender from mailing to it in the future. There are some
ESPs that don’t (and they know how I feel about their practices). I’ve
also heard complaints from ISP
On 7/22/22 4:31 AM, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
I’ll point out, this isn’t an ESP only problem. Two of the biggest
sources of spam right now are O365 and Google IP addresses. They are
actually a bigger problem in my (mostly unfiltered for reasons) inbox
than any ESP.
That is an unders
Lem said:
> I question your assertion that "bounces for X sender doesn’t mean that it
> shouldn’t be mailed for Y sender".
Indeed if, say, an address doesn't exist, it doesn't exist whether the
sender is X or Y.
Also, if the mail platform rejects mail from the sender's IPs or domains,
it will p
> I got none of it, and nobody could figure out why for a while. It
> finally turned out that the ESP had added our entire domain name to
> some sort of global blocklist they have, solely based on my
> complaints that the ESP was letting their customers repeatedly send
> spam to our role addresses
On 7/22/22 10:57 AM, Robert L Mathews via mailop wrote:
I have an bad example of this. My company opened a
thousands-of-dollars-a-year account with a large company, and apparently
this company does all their transactional mailing through a certain
well-known ESP.
I got none of it, and nobody
On 22 Jul 2022, at 13:10, Atro Tossavainen via mailop wrote:
[✄ but thoroughly read]
> Becoming a data controller entails needing a legitimate basis for
> processing the personal data of the customer's customers, with whom
> the ESP does not have any kind of a direct business relationship so
> it
22. Juli 2022 22:20, "Luis E. Muñoz via mailop" schrieb:
> Going back to the example of an ESP, does the hash of the email address
> equate the email address as
> per GDPR?
This probably reaches well into the area of legal expertise and may therefore
be off-topic here, but it would be very int
Hans-Martin Mosner wrote:
> Especially in the area of freemailer spam (and somewhat ESP spam, of course),
> hashes of spammy mail senders could be used to share reputation among mailops
> without handling actual e-mail addresses.
Er, I think you mean
https://msbl.org/ebl.html
which was presen
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On Wed, 2022-07-20 at 12:41 -0600, Brie via mailop wrote:
> It's still going on even though it was 'being looked into'.
Fixed here by blacklisting the DKIM signature from zoom.us
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Luis E. Muñoz via mailop
is rumored to have said:
On 22 Jul 2022, at 11:49, Laura Atkins via mailop wrote:
This would allow the ESP to quickly "fail" the API request to send
to that email address. There are other metrics tha
23. Juli 2022 00:54, "Atro Tossavainen via mailop" schrieb:
> Er, I think you mean
>
> https://msbl.org/ebl.html
Yeah, basically that, except that i'm thinking of a somewhat wider scope by
also covering compromised mailboxes, which gets closer to the PII danger zone
as those woould belong to
> On Jul 23, 2022, at 01:14, Hans-Martin Mosner via mailop
> wrote:
>
> 23. Juli 2022 00:54, "Atro Tossavainen via mailop"
> schrieb:
>
>> Er, I think you mean
>>
>> https://msbl.org/ebl.html
>
> Yeah, basically that, except that i'm thinking of a somewhat wider scope by
> also covering
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