[MBZ] OT: duhBay whine

2013-02-05 Thread Jim Cathey
They were throwing away at work, and this still boggles me, an IXIA 1600 with 8 cards in it (four of them gigabit) rather than deal with selling it. They'd outgrown it. So I grabbed it and put it on the site rather than see it go to the recycler. The auction just finished, and I'm getting a whop

Re: [MBZ] Compressors

2013-02-05 Thread Jim Cathey
Look under the hood of any MB built in the last 12 years or so. Clutchless swashplate compressors. My 2001 and 2008 were so equipped. Still reciprocating. Probably full of little pistons. I haven't heard of any automotive scroll or screw compressors yet. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] windshield lablels

2013-02-05 Thread RELNGSON
> ...There were two versions, too. A "Mercedes-Benz Product" (or something > to that effect) and a "Gottlieb Daimler" one... > The old ones were white labels. The present ones are clear. RLE > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.ok

Re: [MBZ] Guh-nomes

2013-02-05 Thread Mitch Haley
relng...@aol.com wrote: Full power at all times, ignition off and on to modulate power. In flight, it was bu-silence-buzzz. And this was a good idea? The few I've seen at air shows are all over the sky trying to keep it straight and level. They can't just cruise at full throttle? Seems

Re: [MBZ] Compressors

2013-02-05 Thread RELNGSON
> ...I've never seen an automotive compressor that wasn't > reciprocating.  The number and type of pistons vary, > as does the rotary/reciprocating conversion mechanism, > but there are still pistons.  10, in the case of our > Nippondensos. > Look under the hood of any MB built in the last 12 year

Re: [MBZ] Guh-nomes

2013-02-05 Thread RELNGSON
> That, plus the control of power was an on-off switch. Kind of an > early plus > width modulation, now that I think about it. > Full power at all times, ignition off and on to modulate power. In flight, it was bu-silence-buzzz. And this was a good idea? The few I've seen at air shows

Re: [MBZ] competition votes needed and received

2013-02-05 Thread Hendrik and fay
Working now, which church are you part of? Those YMCA kids need to be hardened up anyhow. Hendrik who did his good deed for the day On 06/02/13 13:31, Benz Hogs wrote: Something was added into those links. Try this. Go to: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/oak-park-nicor and use Chicago voting r

[MBZ] Interesting coversions, dlesel leaks [was: Re: W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill]

2013-02-05 Thread Craig
On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 00:09:51 -0500 Mitch Haley wrote: > Craig wrote: > > > And, no, I don't want to use the engine to make an E320/4.2! > > That would be totally uninteresting, couldn't tell it from the E420. > How about a 240D 4.2? Well at least we would be able to drive an E320/4.2 around, un

Re: [MBZ] W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill

2013-02-05 Thread Mitch Haley
Craig wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 22:56:11 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The m119 has racing provenance too:) I didn't know that. With its dual distributors, both on the front of the cam housing and driven by camshafts, among other things, I can see how it would have. And, no, I don't want

Re: [MBZ] OT: Top low pass flybys

2013-02-05 Thread Dieselhead
http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=19448 Were you flying that big plane, Wilton? Gerry "We all remember Tom Cruise in the Movie " TOP GUN" when he makes a low pass near the control tower and causes an officer to spill coffee down his shirt. Well here are short clips of the top 10 low pass f

Re: [MBZ] OT: Top low pass flybys

2013-02-05 Thread Benz Hogs
Way cool! Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi) On 2/5/2013 10:37 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=19448 Were you flying that big plane, Wilton? Gerry "We all remember Tom Cruise in the Movie " TOP GUN" when he makes a low pass near the

[MBZ] OT: Top low pass flybys

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
http://biertijd.com/mediaplayer/?itemid=19448 Were you flying that big plane, Wilton? Gerry "We all remember Tom Cruise in the Movie " TOP GUN" when he makes a low pass near the control tower and causes an officer to spill coffee down his shirt. Well here are short clips of the top 10 low pass f

Re: [MBZ] W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill

2013-02-05 Thread Craig
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 22:56:11 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > The m119 has racing provenance too:) I didn't know that. With its dual distributors, both on the front of the cam housing and driven by camshafts, among other things, I can see how it would have. And, no, I don't want to use the eng

Re: [MBZ] W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill

2013-02-05 Thread dseretakis
The m119 has racing provenance too:) Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Craig wrote: > On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:41:32 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> And the M119 engine is supposed to be awesome! > > It is. Quiet, powerful; loafs along at freeway speeds. > > But in a W124,

Re: [MBZ] W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill

2013-02-05 Thread Craig
On Tue, 5 Feb 2013 21:41:32 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > And the M119 engine is supposed to be awesome! It is. Quiet, powerful; loafs along at freeway speeds. But in a W124, as in our '94 E420, it's hard to work on. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] competition votes needed

2013-02-05 Thread Benz Hogs
Something was added into those links. Try this. Go to: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/oak-park-nicor and use Chicago voting rules, vote early and often More details here: http://www.westcookymca.org/index.php?q=node/953 Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 "Max" (159,xxx mi) On 2/5/2

Re: [MBZ] W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill

2013-02-05 Thread dseretakis
And the M119 engine is supposed to be awesome! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2013, at 8:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Going to replace the thermostat this weekend. The Q just informed me that > the yellow coolant is no longer used by MB - just the new blue stuff. Looks > like a flush and fill i

Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Curt Raymond
York compressors are less likely to die from a poorly done 134a conversion because they have a sump with oil in it. -Curt Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2013 23:23:17 -0500 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;ch

Re: [MBZ] W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill

2013-02-05 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Man that car is a pos. as fad as coolant just use the Zerex g05 it's still clear. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 5, 2013, at 7:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Going to replace the thermostat this weekend. The Q just informed me that > the yellow coolant is no longer used by MB - just the new blue stu

Re: [MBZ] W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill

2013-02-05 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
My dealer informed me that they are in fact compatible. Jaime On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Going to replace the thermostat this weekend. The Q just informed me that > the yellow coolant is no longer used by MB - just the new blue stuff. Looks > like a flush and fill is

[MBZ] W140 Cooling System Flush & Fill

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff
Going to replace the thermostat this weekend. The Q just informed me that the yellow coolant is no longer used by MB - just the new blue stuff. Looks like a flush and fill is going to be the order of the day, as I understand the two are not compatible. Any caveats to be aware of when draining/

Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Dieselhead
Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-) I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through everything carefully. I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned everything as I went along. The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive wheel of some kin

Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
The valve cover looks anodized but with a lot of embedded "dirt" that doesn't come off with parts cleaner. Next time I have the valve cover off I'll try yours and Jamies technique. Know what you mean about anodized trim. It was the same situation back when nearly everyone had aluminum frame wi

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff
Nope. But one of the previous owners put a faux Euro license plate on the front, or a legit one that has the badges torn off (which is a requirement when they expire, I believe.) Dan Sent from my iPad On Feb 5, 2013, at 3:33 PM, "Gerry Archer" wrote: > Dan wrote: >> There were two versions,

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions and grille bling

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
That's the one. Gerry From: "Hendrik and fay" Are you talking about the Euro delivery badge? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-BENZ-EUROPEAN-DELIVERY-PROGRAM-STUTTGART-GERMANY-GRILL-BADGE-EMBLEM-MG-/300734620649?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&hash=item46052e23e9 Technically I suppose it

Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff
Anodized aluminum such as what MB used for window moulding is notoriously difficult, almost impossible, to shine up once the finish has started to oxidize. There used to be a trick where you cleaned it as well as possible then put a clear finish on it. It actually looked pretty decent, but ther

Re: [MBZ] Dead battery yesterday

2013-02-05 Thread Fmiser
> Max Dillon wrote: > Accidentally left an interior light on in my E300 over the > weekend, Monday morning no crank no start. > > Tried jumping with boat battery which is wintering in the > garage, but no joy. > > Used SWMBO's car; my lovely assistant had to hold the idle > speed above 2k rpm,

Re: [MBZ] competition votes needed

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
- Original Message - From: "Tim C" Just to be sure, we're voting for "West Cook YMCA", right? Sorry to be dense, I'd hate to push the wrong button. :) How long does the contest run? Thanks, -Tim On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: Hey all, in the past others have asked

Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
Thanks, Jamie, but I was looking for some sort of cleaner that would shine up the anodized aluminum as well as the less shiny parts. Gerry From: "Jaime Kopchinski" Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-) I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went

Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT kinda grumpy

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
Tried that this morning, Hendrik, and it worked fine; but when I drove to the store it tried to mate with a 450SL. Took two wreckers to get it down and the SL owner was very upset. Gerry From: "Hendrik and fay" Dog slobber is the go. Hendrik who is going to get in trouble On 05/02/13 14:09,

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions and grille bling

2013-02-05 Thread Hendrik and fay
Are you talking about the Euro delivery badge? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-BENZ-EUROPEAN-DELIVERY-PROGRAM-STUTTGART-GERMANY-GRILL-BADGE-EMBLEM-MG-/300734620649?pt=UK_Car_Parts_Vehicles_Automobila_ET&hash=item46052e23e9 Technically I suppose it is only supposed to be for cars picked up at the

[MBZ] Dead battery yesterday

2013-02-05 Thread Max Dillon
Accidentally left an interior light on in my E300 over the weekend, Monday morning no crank no start. Tried jumping with boat battery which is wintering in the garage, but no joy. Used SWMBO's car; my lovely assistant had to hold the idle speed above 2k rpm, and then my cheapo Hazard Fraught

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Max Dillon
I'm testing Andrew's sense of humor, but he's probably filtering all my posts straight into the deleted folder... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Jon Agne wrote: >Had me going on that one! > >On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > >> Don't believe anyt

Re: [MBZ] Why Mercedes is the best car

2013-02-05 Thread Max Dillon
Second the motion! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 OK Don wrote: >ANOTHER ONE FOR THE QUOTES PAGE! > >On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Gerry Archer >wrote: > >> >> The U.S. should learn a lesson from this. It needs to outlaw >softdrinks >> and replace them with be

[MBZ] Windshields was Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Max Dillon
Prices sound fair to high. Beware the frame preparation work. All old sealant must be removed, any rust needs to be remediated, and a really high quality metal primer/paint applied to the frame to prevent future rust which will crack the windshield. Going cheap is the most expensive route! M

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Jon Agne
Had me going on that one! On Feb 5, 2013, at 4:24 PM, Max Dillon wrote: > Don't believe anything from the mainstream media, talk radio is the only > reliable source! ;) > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 > > Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > >> What about Hanko

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
Dan wrote: There were two versions, too. A "Mercedes-Benz Product" (or something to that effect) and a "Gottlieb Daimler" one. If you look closely, there is a part number on the sticker. You can order them from the Q, as I am doing. The car isn't complete without one in my mind. Do you have a

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Max Dillon
Don't believe anything from the mainstream media, talk radio is the only reliable source! ;) -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >What about Hankook? Never heard of them until recently and they are >advertised all over the mainsteram media.

Re: [MBZ] Rotary compressor retrofit - Was: nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Fmiser
> > > dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > > I thought the Yorks were pretty bulletproof. > > Curt wrote: > > > > Powerful too and don't suffer with a 134a conversion as bad. > dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: > Which doesn't suffer from a 134a conversion? I think Curt was saying the York better m

Re: [MBZ] competition votes needed

2013-02-05 Thread Benz Hogs
I don't mind dense questions :) Yes, please, West Cook YMCA. The competition runs through the end of the week, I believe. Clear your cookies and vote again! :) Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 "Max" (161,xxx mi) On 2/5/2013 9:17 AM, Tim C wrote: Just to be sure, we're voting for

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff
Unfortunately, I wouldn't expect my insurer to do anything since the vehicle was acquired with a "pre-existing" condition. For that matter, I wouldn't even ask. I have had windshields replaced for the same reason when I was with State Farm. It's that or the "credit card test". Dan On Feb 5, 2

Re: [MBZ] On topic! Cleaning leather upholstery

2013-02-05 Thread WILTON
Evidently, you can get that stuff by the barrel; I've seen 'em back up a van hauling several barrels of it to the "This Old House" crew on TV. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "OK Don" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O

Re: [MBZ] On topic! Cleaning leather upholstery

2013-02-05 Thread OK Don
Yes, the essential ingredient is elbow grease! On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > The problem with all these great products is that they require copious > amounts of EFFORT and TIME to work properly. > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread WILTON
My original was badly pitted/sandblasted; new one (PPG) since '97 still has no pits; lucky so far, I guess. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Craig" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:34:00 -0500 Dan Penoff wrot

Re: [MBZ] Why Mercedes is the best car

2013-02-05 Thread OK Don
ANOTHER ONE FOR THE QUOTES PAGE! On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: > > The U.S. should learn a lesson from this. It needs to outlaw softdrinks > and replace them with beer. > Gerry > > -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A __

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread WILTON
My insurance co., USAA, knew it was "sandblasted;" 'replaced it based on "unsafe condition" with glare, etc.; it really was bad/annoying at night, in rain, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:34 PM S

Re: [MBZ] rotary?

2013-02-05 Thread OK Don
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:04 PM, Craig wrote: > On Mon, 4 Feb 2013 22:44:03 -0600 OK Don wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Craig wrote: > > > > > I understand that with all the mass of the engine rotating, it had a > > > pronounced gyroscope effect which made flying the plane "inter

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Craig
On Tue, 05 Feb 2013 12:34:00 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: > I have often wondered why nearly every MB I have owned over the years > had the "sandblasted" wear. I don't ever recall seeing this on a > domestic car, but then again, I haven't owned a domestic car that was > as old as one of the Benz'. >

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Rusty Cullens
Everyone needs to know that the old style white labels are no longer available from Mercedes. They substitute it with the new style clear one. I put one on my E320 and I actually like it better than the white one. It takes a little getting used to it. Rusty Cullens buyMBparts, Inc. 6755 Peachtree

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff
I have often wondered why nearly every MB I have owned over the years had the "sandblasted" wear. I don't ever recall seeing this on a domestic car, but then again, I haven't owned a domestic car that was as old as one of the Benz'. The S500 is bad enough that headlight or sunlight at the right

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Tim C
Actually it has a crack in the passenger side but is otherwise good. I never drove from the passenger seat so it didn't obstruct visibility, but I would have replaced it if I knew I could have gotten the sticker - I was expecting the SDL to be the "good" car. Of course for it to be that car I act

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread WILTON
'Been wondering why I've been so depressed since my windshield replacement in '97 - no signature decal! Maybe Q'll take pity on me some day and send me one. ;<) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 11:57 A

Re: [MBZ] lots of 123 300TD cars

2013-02-05 Thread Tim C
I don't understand the $2500 versus the $5500, from the same seller. From the specs they look pretty much the same? Or else I missed something. Is the $2500 white one Rolf's old TD, BTW? Best, -Tim On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: > on atlanta CL > > http://atlanta.cr

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread WILTON
If your windshield is pitted, etc., or needs changing for whatever reason, please change it and enjoy a crystal clear and much more enjoyable view of the star and the rest of the world out there - you won't regret it. My 350SDL's windshield was pitted when I got it in '95; delayed replacement f

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff
Yup. There were two versions, too. A "Mercedes-Benz Product" (or something to that effect) and a "Gottlieb Daimler" one. If you look closely, there is a part number on the sticker. You can order them from the Q, as I am doing. The car isn't complete without one in my mind. Dan On Feb 5, 2013

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Tim C
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Gotta order my G. Daimler signature sticker from the Q. > Wait, you can order those? I never replaced the windshield in the SDL because I didn't want to lose the sticker. Surprised I never thought to ask, honestly. :) Best, -Tim ___

Re: [MBZ] competition votes needed

2013-02-05 Thread Tim C
Just to be sure, we're voting for "West Cook YMCA", right? Sorry to be dense, I'd hate to push the wrong button. :) How long does the contest run? Thanks, -Tim On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Benz Hogs wrote: > Hey all, in the past others have asked for competition votes and done well > with

Re: [MBZ] On topic! Cleaning leather upholstery

2013-02-05 Thread Dan Penoff
The 303 stuff is really good, and does a great job on vinyl and other surfaces. It's popular in the marine community because of the UV protection. It is pricey, I think around $15 a bottle the last time I bought some, but it lasts a while so I haven't had a problem with the cost. Dan On Feb 5,

Re: [MBZ] On topic! Cleaning leather upholstery

2013-02-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
The problem with all these great products is that they require copious amounts of EFFORT and TIME to work properly. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: > Got it! I'll get some from West Marine today; thanks to you and Craig. > Gerry > PS: My pristine '83 240D is still shining li

Re: [MBZ] Tire Opinions

2013-02-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
What about Hankook? Never heard of them until recently and they are advertised all over the mainsteram media. Not the cheapest tire for my size (195X70X14) but pretty darn close. On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have one of those. If I can find it it

Re: [MBZ] Check engine lignt?

2013-02-05 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Haha no Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:12 PM, "Gerry Archer" wrote: > Does it work this way on your GL320cdi, Kaleb? > Gerry > >> On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 18:19:20 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I think the first set is what you want. How many times does the light >>>

Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT

2013-02-05 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Its easy, just take everything apart and clean it piece by piece :-) I had done a valve job on this car when I bought it and went through everything carefully. I replaced lots of little bits, and cleaned everything as I went along. The valve cover was done with a soft abrasive wheel of some kind

[MBZ] Why Mercedes is the best car

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
From a Mercedes list: "My friend who owned one of the oldest stealerships in the country (imported by Studybakker back then) was in Stuttgart during labor negotiations one year in the mid 80s. The negotiations droned on and on until the company told the union that they would agree to the dem

Re: [MBZ] On topic! Cleaning leather upholstery

2013-02-05 Thread Gerry Archer
Got it! I'll get some from West Marine today; thanks to you and Craig. Gerry PS: My pristine '83 240D is still shining like a new one thanks to 3M Show Car From: "Dan Penoff" OMG! Don't use armor all! Best stuff you can use is a product sold in boating stores like West Marine called 303 Pr

Re: [MBZ] On topic! Cleaning leather upholstery

2013-02-05 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Lexol cleaner and conditioner are classic products and work just fine too. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > You can use saddle soap or probably find a product called Lexol that is > cheaper than Leatherique and would probably do the job. > > What can I say? I'm a Leatherique

Re: [MBZ] nice article BUT kinda grumpy

2013-02-05 Thread Hendrik and fay
Dog slobber is the go. Hendrik who is going to get in trouble On 05/02/13 14:09, Gerry Archer wrote: What do you use to get your engines so shiny-bright, Jamie? Others? I used steam cleaners when they were around years ago but haven't found anything halfway as good since then. Gerry _

Re: [MBZ] On grumpy topic! Cleaning leather upholstery

2013-02-05 Thread Hendrik and fay
Apparently dog slobber works really well. Hendrik who loves his dogs On 05/02/13 14:06, Cranky Craig wrote: On Mon, 04 Feb 2013 22:26:08 -0500 Dan Penoff wrote: Prestine Clean by Leatherique. You can get it from the Q. Leatherique is the most kick-ass leather cleaning/maintaining stuff you