Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2017-01-01 Thread MG via Mercedes
Depends on if you had the plug connected to the relay or not. Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: OK, Have been thinking (always a bad thing) and it seems if I have 0.0 Resistance to all 5 GPs. Using the 5 socket plug that is To me that says the GPs are not grounded but it appears that means the

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2017-01-01 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
MA. Diesel preferred. From: Mercedes on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes Sent: 01 January 2017 12:11 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner Subject: Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting OK, Have been thinking (always a bad thing) and it seem

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2017-01-01 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
OK, Have been thinking (always a bad thing) and it seems if I have 0.0 Resistance to all 5 GPs. Using the 5 socket plug that is To me that says the GPs are not grounded but it appears that means the new GP Relay is bad, correct? Is that an appropriate assumption to make? Are there other test

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-31 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
If the relay is good and clicking on and off and the light does not come on that indicates you have at least 2 bad plugs. On 12/31/2016 4:38 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: Hey Curley, OK, no more blown fuses - so I must not have any shorts. Does the light not coming on in the dash in

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-31 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
ok that is good that the fuse does not blow. Sounds like I was wrong about a GP grounding. do you have any way to check for 1.2 to 1.7 ohms from the GP plug at the relay to ground? Chances are that you still have a bad relay. If the GPs are plugged in and the fuse does not blow, then the re

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-31 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Hey Curley, OK, no more blown fuses - so I must not have any shorts. Does the light not coming on in the dash indicate one of my new GPs is bad? Man, I am not looking forward to removing that intake manifold again. But if I must so be it. I now have 10 new and used GPs to work with. I wi

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
The result will be the same, blown fuse. You have to get the gp wire that is touching the manifold clear of the manifold. (It could be more than one wire! Larry Turner via Mercedes December 30, 2016 at 3:54 PM Thx Kaleb, The relay in my 91 is a replacement, I

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 20:09:38 -0500 Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: > Hi Craig, I seem to have moved ahead before I read your posting. > Sorry. When you say "Small" end of the harness are you describing the > end that plugs into the relay? Yes. Phillip has good advice, too. Craig __

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Hi Craig, I seem to have moved ahead before I read your posting. Sorry. When you say "Small" end of the harness are you describing the end that plugs into the relay? Larry On 12/30/2016 6:44 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 16:54:18 -0500 Larry Turner via Mercedes wr

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
We have gotten to the point where the fuses are not blowing. Everything is installed as it should be and it tried to start when we were cranking it to bleed the fuel lines. But the final line was bubbling and we stopped cranking. I haven't gone farther just yet but thought I'd see what ya'll

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Larry wrote: Well, I have more fuses and a new relay so I plan to put the new relay in and see what happens. Actually that's a easier procedure than trying to reach all those GPs with a MM.Worst case, I'll pull the fuel lines and take a closer look at the wiring harness. 1st things 1st,

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 30 Dec 2016 16:54:18 -0500 Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: > Well, I have more fuses and a new relay so I plan to put the new relay > in and see what happens. Actually that's a easier procedure than > trying to reach all those GPs with a MM.Worst case, I'll pull the > fuel lines an

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thx Kaleb, The relay in my 91 is a replacement, I replaced it a couple years after I bought it. Well, I have more fuses and a new relay so I plan to put the new relay in and see what happens. Actually that's a easier procedure than trying to reach all those GPs with a MM.Worst case, I'

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Does the relay in your car have a strip along the top? If not then the relay is probably bad. It's been a while since I have messed with those but I know the 95s don't have a fuse, my 92 sd does not either. Maybe 91 still had the fuse Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Larry Tu

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-30 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
What's the cut off for "New" vs "old"? or is it all 602 & 603? I ask because the relay from the dealer for my '91 came with a fuse across the bottom. Thx Larry On 12/29/2016 9:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: It should not have a strip fuse on the new 602 and 603 engines Sent

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It should not have a strip fuse on the new 602 and 603 engines Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks, I guess MB didn't issue one for the W124 602 engine? > > LarryT > > 91 300D > > >> On 12/28/2016 5:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-29 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thanks, I guess MB didn't issue one for the W124 602 engine? LarryT 91 300D On 12/28/2016 5:07 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: 15-710 Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: You wrote: "...a strip fuse? Just the metal strip screwed to terminals at each end? Last ones... " Yep, that describes it per

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread MG via Mercedes
15-710 Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: You wrote: "...a strip fuse? Just the metal strip screwed to terminals at each end? Last ones... " Yep, that describes it perfectly. But once blown, there's just a couple of alum. rings with a melted ear on it. ;-) I have one in my tool box with 30

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
You wrote: "...a strip fuse? Just the metal strip screwed to terminals at each end? Last ones... " Yep, that describes it perfectly. But once blown, there's just a couple of alum. rings with a melted ear on it. ;-) I have one in my tool box with 30A on it. Don't want to put one too small

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It might be 80 amp, heck I don't remember Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2016, at 1:56 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thx Kaleb! > > >> On 12/28/2016 1:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> It's a 50 amp fuse >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Here is the entire old post. Philip wrote most of it and I added a few clarifications. It was for 240D, but is applicable. I made one correction to Philip's post below. What he said, plus a couple of clarifications. Batter voltage should be battery voltage. 1. 240D GP fuse is NOT 20A. It is 5

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thx Kaleb! On 12/28/2016 1:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: It's a 50 amp fuse Sent from my iPhone On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: Have been searching the net for 80a fuses and not having a lot of luck. Is the dealer the only place to get them?

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Hmmm don't think I did that. But you never know. Anyway, I have 4 fuses coming from BAP-Geon and the Relay is there now. I can replace the fuse and see what it does. I was having difficulty getting the bracket in place like you did.I should have disconnected the battery but as usual

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Here ya go: 000 545 03 3480 amp strip fuse glow plug (6 cyl, OM603) If your car has the 30 amp strip fuse for the heater blower, this is the fuse for it. 000 545 02 3430 amp strip fuse, heater, 126 I thought I had sent an email to the list with the part number and amps for 4, 5 and 6 cyl G

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
From an earlier post. I think I have P/Ns also. still looking 1. 240D GP fuse is NOT 20A. It is 50 Amp. You can find them at VW stealers if FLAPS does not have one for you. 5 cyl engines use a bigger one, 60 or 65 amp I think. OM603 and 606 6 cyl use a 80 Amp fuse. Be sure you get th

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
You probably have a grounded GP. FIrst measure ohms to ground at the plug on the relay (one probe in each of the 5 used sockets in the plug, the other on a engine or chassis ground.) The intake manifold will do. The one with 0 ohms is the culprit. Since you just changed the GPs, I would gu

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread MG via Mercedes
80 amp age and vibration 1. write big memo on the wall in garage CHECK THE FUSES FIRST!! 2. change fuse Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:20:28 -0500 From: Larry Turner Hi Guys = I pulled the cover from my Pre-Glo Relay & found the fuse blown. I think I found the problem ;-) 2 questions - 1st,

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It's a 50 amp fuse Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Have been searching the net for 80a fuses and not having a lot of luck. Is > the dealer the only place to get them? Seems like I could create a fuse > holder to accept 80A fuses wi

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Readily available from the dealer or should be from any Mercedes specific on-line place. Check to make sure you didn't short the glow plug wires with one of the brackets on the intake, I did that on my 300D when I replaced the head, under the cross-over pipe from the turbo. Didn't get the

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Have been searching the net for 80a fuses and not having a lot of luck. Is the dealer the only place to get them? Seems like I could create a fuse holder to accept 80A fuses with wires to go to the screws that should work, right? But I gotta find a 80A fuse (or 2 for a spare). Perhaos I am

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
80A - Thanks! I will do as suggested. But I may get 3 or 4. Thanks for all the help - at this point I guess I'll just go with your suggestion that they eventually fail. Sincerely, Larry On 12/28/2016 10:42 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: 80A. They are aluminum, and flex with vibr

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
80A. They are aluminum, and flex with vibration and heat loading, and eventually fail. Get two, put one in the glove box for the next time they fail.. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscri

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Is that a strip fuse? Just the metal strip screwed to terminals at each end? Last ones I bought at the stealer for one of the cars were like $1.50 each or something really cheap. IIRC they are like 50A or something like that. --FT On 12/28/16 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: Hi

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-28 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Hi Guys = I pulled the cover from my Pre-Glo Relay & found the fuse blown. I think I found the problem ;-) 2 questions - 1st, what amperage fuse should I replace it with? 2nd What should I look at, as to what might have caused it to blow in the 1st place? Or perhaps they just blow once in a

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-27 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Nobody commented or added/edited my MB Diesel slow start/no start troubleshooting list. Should it be in the form of a flow chart? I don't believe everyone liked it as posted. Should there be assumptions stated first? I figured checking for +12V at the GP first might be controversial. I kno

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-27 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
No problem, Found one at BAP-Geon that'll be here tomorrow. It's also $100 less that the MB dealer. LarryT On 12/27/2016 8:05 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I don't have any spares. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 27, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote: Kaleb, do

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-27 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Make sure you match the part number. (or superceded P/N) I know they make relays for 4 cyl that only have 4 pins coming out for the GP plug. They all use the 6 pin plug, but there are 4 and 6, and I am guessing 5 pin relays. You should be able to use a 6 pin relay, but a 4 pin won't light u

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-27 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
I don't have any spares. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 27, 2016, at 6:55 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Kaleb, do you have any replacement GP Relays? and access to 2 or 3 day > shipping? > > LarryT > > >> On 12/26/2016 2:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> Turn key

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-27 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Kaleb, do you have any replacement GP Relays? and access to 2 or 3 day shipping? LarryT On 12/26/2016 2:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Turn key on, go to engine compartment, wait for a minute and you will hear glow plug relay kick off. Very simple. If you have fuel bubbling ou

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Turn key on, go to engine compartment, wait for a minute and you will hear glow plug relay kick off. Very simple. If you have fuel bubbling out of the loose lines this is not your problem. Start by seeing if glow plug relay is clicking on and off. If not, replace it. Sent from my iPhone > On

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
You made my day! Larry On 12/26/2016 1:54 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: You won't have to accept my offer. IMHO that car is bullet proof. My 90 had 268k on it & got 30mpg. All original engine & tranny. I am betting not catastrophic. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 2005 E320 4 matic Wickfor

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
I know Roger - actually I agree completely about the newer gizmos.I have been wanting to get my wife something for a while - this 300D has 290K on it although the engine seems very strong. I hope I can get it going again. But finding a MB diesel is very hard! They are either too new and

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
You won't have to accept my offer. IMHO that car is bullet proof. My 90 had 268k on it & got 30mpg. All original engine & tranny. I am betting not catastrophic. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 2005 E320 4 matic Wickford RI On Dec 26, 2016 1:46 PM, "Larry Turner via Mercedes" wrote: While waiting fo

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
While waiting for my wife to get home I thought I'd try bleeding the fuel lines but it's going to have to wait for my wife to get here. I loosened all 5 and cranked it over & I have fuel leaking through the loose fittings but cannot tell if it is flowing or bubbling, so I'm not sure the air i

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
Sorry Larry, notice I did say I was "just joking". Hope you resolve your problem. I've wanted a newer model but can't seem to get past all the "new stuff" on models beyond 1985, and diesels that require extra gizmos in order to work properly. Good luck and best wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinne

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thanks Curley!! On 12/26/2016 10:21 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Basics: 0. put the charger on the battery to recharge/maintain it during a lot of cranking. 1. Crack the fuel line(s) then crank to make sure you have fuel delivery. About 720º degrees rotation on the crank should

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thanks Roger! That was an offer to buy me a new engine wasn't it? ;-) LarryT On 12/26/2016 10:20 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote: Larry, Just go ahead and drop in a new engine. By the time the guys on this list finish recommending parts and fixes, you'll be close to a new engine price :-

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
No, New Glow Plugs and NO Dash Light when in pre start ign switch position or when cranking. New relay time? (BTW, I seem to recall a fuse under the relay - is there any possibility it is bad? Yes, I know, I am grasping at straws...) Thanks Mitch I will hook up the Battery charger, etc. as

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Yes, the harness appeared to be perfect. So far no wiring problems anywhere except for one short headlight harness which was replaced. Well, I will certainly bleed the lines as you suggest but feel there is another deeper problem - since the dash light is not coming on for pre-glow I assume t

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
No biodegradable harness issues on those cars. That was not till 94-95 Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 26, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > > So you may have fixed the GP issue while causing an air lock issue? > Crack loose all the injector lines at the injectors, have the

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Works on engines up through OM61x. There is no primer pump on OM60x engines like Larry's Darren Marshall via Mercedes December 26, 2016 at 9:13 AM Assuming you tried bleeding with the hand primer? Darren -- Co-Founder http://doejo.com

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
No hand primer. While smoke means you have fuel, it's not igniting. The fuse in the relay is a strip fuse, and they are prone to cracking. Check for continuity across the fuse. relay will operate normally with a bad fuse but the GP get no juice. This may or may not set the diagnostics (

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Basics: 0. put the charger on the battery to recharge/maintain it during a lot of cranking. 1. Crack the fuel line(s) then crank to make sure you have fuel delivery. About 720º degrees rotation on the crank should be enough. If you need to bleed the system, more cranking is needed. 2.

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread rogerhga--- via Mercedes
Larry, Just go ahead and drop in a new engine. By the time the guys on this list finish recommending parts and fixes, you'll be close to a new engine price :- Just joking guys, notice the smiley faces. Best Wishes and Happy New Year, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
124 2.5t doesn't have hand primer like the 0M 61x? Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 2005 E320 4 matic Wickford RI On Dec 26, 2016 10:13 AM, "Darren Marshall via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Assuming you tried bleeding with the hand primer? > > Darren > > -- > Co-Founder > http://doejo

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Darren Marshall via Mercedes
Assuming you tried bleeding with the hand primer? Darren -- Co-Founder http://doejo.com > On Dec 26, 2016, at 8:51 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks Mitch, > > Yes, it has a block heater although it has always started without using the > heater in temps down to 15F or so.

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
With the new glow plugs and a charged battery, does the light come on for less than 30 seconds, and the relay shut off in a minute or so? If so, you're probably OK electrically. I'd plug in the block heater and battery charger, do some glow plug diagnostics after an hour on the charger, and start

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
So you may have fixed the GP issue while causing an air lock issue? Crack loose all the injector lines at the injectors, have the wife keep cranking (fully charged battery) and tighten them up when they start to leak fuel? The 124.128 had biodegradable wiring IIRC. Was your GP harness in perfect

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thanks Mitch, Yes, it has a block heater although it has always started without using the heater in temps down to 15F or so.Actually, I don't recall ever using the heater . Hopefully it is complete and operational. Not sure if there are any AC outlets at the hospital and don't know h

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
___ From: Mercedes on behalf of Larry Turner via Mercedes Sent: 25 December 2016 19:46 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner Subject: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting Tried to do some last minute shopping Thursday and she wouldn't fire up without some very extended cranking

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Does it start if you plug in the block heater? More to the point, does it have a block heater? That might get her to work while you order parts, but if she can't plug in at the office it might not get her home. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search li

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Thanks Mitch, I will check the electrics as you suggested but all the symptoms point to a dead GP Relay. This is my wife's daily driver - she is ready to retire and not in the mood for thinking about spending money on another car - but she needs to get another ~3 months out of this car. Afte

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
That usually indicates bad plugs but who knows. It's all pretty simple, have someone turn the key on while you touch the relay and see if you hear/feel it click on or not. Heck you should be able to hear it click on and off from the drivers seat. If it does not then the relay is bad. If it does

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Check for voltage to the plugs. If you've got that, unplug the glow plug harness and check for current draw from each plug. A dead relay, bad fuse etc would leave you glowless. A dead plug or two shouldn't stop the car from starting when it's barely freezing weather but it won't idle smoothly

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
I give you 500 USD for it Larry. I miss my 90 300D. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 2005 E320 4 matic Wickford RI On Dec 25, 2016 7:46 PM, "Larry Turner via Mercedes" wrote: > Tried to do some last minute shopping Thursday and she wouldn't fire up > without some very extended cranking. > > It's ver

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-26 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
tried it again and nothing - this time I noticed the Dash GP Light is not coming on at all but I know it used to. I haven't been the primary driver lately so I haven't been watching the dash lights.. When I finally got it started (when this first started) I do recall the dash light being on a

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
yes, like any other seep in the fuel line that lets air in. The heater can also let air in the line. Any air lets the fuel drain back to the tank, resulting in lots of cranking before any fire in any hole. Same in VW diesels Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Decem

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yes but never seen that affect starting but I guess it's possible Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2016, at 10:11 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Don't these things have a fuel heater that tends to leak? > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.c

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Don't these things have a fuel heater that tends to leak? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Yea, just no external fuse like the older ones. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2016, at 9:55 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Do they have a GP relay? > > >> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> December 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM >> Those don't have a glow

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Do they have a GP relay? Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes December 25, 2016 at 9:39 PM Those don't have a glow plug fuse Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Those don't have a glow plug fuse Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2016, at 9:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > Basic: Did you check the GP fuse? If you check the relay output, that will > prove the fuse is also good IF there is +12V. 0V; then check the fuse, power > to the

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
You should probably CHANGE YOUR FUSES! --FT On 12/25/16 10:22 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Basic: Did you check the GP fuse? If you check the relay output, that will prove the fuse is also good IF there is +12V. 0V; then check the fuse, power to the fuse and power from the fuse.

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Basic: Did you check the GP fuse? If you check the relay output, that will prove the fuse is also good IF there is +12V. 0V; then check the fuse, power to the fuse and power from the fuse. Larry Turner via Mercedes December 25, 2016 at 6:46 PM Tried to do some

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
to the tank. >> >> Check actual power to the GP's and the resistance of each plug. >> >> Fred. >> >> >> Fred Moir. >> Lynn MA. >> Diesel preferred. >> >> >> ____ >> From: Mercedes on behalf of

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner Subject: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting Tried to do some last minute shopping Thursday and she wouldn't fire up without some very extended cranking. It's very rare for it to take more than a few revolutions of the engine. So I repl

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
46 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Larry Turner Subject: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting Tried to do some last minute shopping Thursday and she wouldn't fire up without some very extended cranking. It's very rare for it to take more than a few revolutions of the engine. So I

Re: [MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
Is the light coming on? Do you hear the relay click on and off? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes > wrote: > > Tried to do some last minute shopping Thursday and she wouldn't fire up > without some very extended cranking. > > It's very rare for it t

[MBZ] HELP!! My '91 300D is Not Starting

2016-12-25 Thread Larry Turner via Mercedes
Tried to do some last minute shopping Thursday and she wouldn't fire up without some very extended cranking. It's very rare for it to take more than a few revolutions of the engine. So I replaced all of the Glow Plugs just in case, but it didn't help. I don't think it is the Glow Plug Relay

Re: [MBZ] Help: Re-translation of English poorly translated from German

2016-07-14 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
a in reference to the claim. > >If you have more questions, call or email us. > >Return address: >etc. > >Wilton > > >- Original Message - >From: "Meade Dillon via Mercedes" >To: "Mercedes" >Cc: "Meade Dillon" >Sent: T

Re: [MBZ] Help: Re-translation of English poorly translated from German

2016-07-14 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
"Meade Dillon" Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 6:55 PM Subject: [MBZ] Help: Re-translation of English poorly translated from German OK list experts, please help me decipher the following email. It came in response to my inquiry about warranty replacement of the radio for the FM reception

Re: [MBZ] Help: Re-translation of English poorly translated from German

2016-07-14 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Awesome, thanks Craig! I think you just saved me from making an international phone call - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:55:29 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > > OK list experts, please help me

Re: [MBZ] Help: Re-translation of English poorly translated from German

2016-07-14 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 18:55:29 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: > OK list experts, please help me decipher the following email. It came > in response to my inquiry about warranty replacement of the radio for > the FM reception problem. > > What is Sven saying? Well, I gave it a shot. Of co

[MBZ] Help: Re-translation of English poorly translated from German

2016-07-14 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
OK list experts, please help me decipher the following email. It came in response to my inquiry about warranty replacement of the radio for the FM reception problem. What is Sven saying? email from Sven follows-- Reference: Warran

Re: [MBZ] help out this guy

2016-02-20 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I'll never forget seeing one of these on the HBL dealer lot in Tysons Corner when they first came out - sticker price was $70,000. I was dumbstruck. On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > oppositelock.kinja.com/could-someone-teach-me-about-

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2016-02-20 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
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2016-01-14 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
The first strange thing that happened was a 40 mb download when I downloaded my mail in Sylpheed, my email client. That took a while. Then there was a 20 mb download. I opened one of Toms emails and he said he was downloading pictures. When I tried to download another of Toms emails, the little ac

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-06 Thread Allan Streib
215K miles. Engine and transmission good. B2 failed about 5 years ago and was replaced, along with the K1 spring kit. Euro headlights. Front end is tired, creaky. Tires wearing funny, probably needs a complete overhaul. Some rust starting around the fenders/wheel arches. Otherwise solid.

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-06 Thread Peter Hertzing
Carbondale il. What's the condition and how much? Sent from my iPhone On Sep 6, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > Bloomington, IN... and where are you? > > Allan > > Peter Hertzing writes: > >> Depends on where it is located? >> >> On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-06 Thread Peter Hertzing
d. > Suite 260 > Atlanta, GA 30360 > > 800-741-5252 > 770-452-7320 > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Peter Hertzing > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:07 PM > To: Mercedes Discu

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-06 Thread Allan Streib
Bloomington, IN... and where are you? Allan Peter Hertzing writes: > Depends on where it is located? > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > >> Interested in an entire 1983 300D by chance? >> -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebe

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-06 Thread Rusty Cullens
] On Behalf Of Peter Hertzing Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D Depends on where it is located? On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > Interested in an entire 1983 300D by cha

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-06 Thread Peter Hertzing
Depends on where it is located? On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > Interested in an entire 1983 300D by chance? > > Peter Hertzing writes: > > > no reponse to the message below - wanted to make sure it went out. Guess > > that means no one has one? > > > > Peter > > > > On M

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-05 Thread Dieselhead
If the listmom won't sell one, try searching car-part.com for a diff or rear axle. Find yards with low prices and/or near, and call them up and ask for the LCA. If they won't take off and sell the LCA, ask if they will sell you the whole subframe, or subframe less diff and axles. The logic

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-05 Thread Fmiser
> Peter Hertzing wrote: > My Rear right lower control arm has bit the dust - and I > have welded in a replacement "mount" from my old lawnmower > deck which lasted about 3 months. Anyone have a used one? > I am sure everyone knows that a new replacement costs more > then a semester of college. S

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-05 Thread Allan Streib
Interested in an entire 1983 300D by chance? Peter Hertzing writes: > no reponse to the message below - wanted to make sure it went out. Guess > that means no one has one? > > Peter > > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote: > >> My Rear right lower control arm has bit the dust

Re: [MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-05 Thread Peter Hertzing
no reponse to the message below - wanted to make sure it went out. Guess that means no one has one? Peter On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote: > My Rear right lower control arm has bit the dust - and I have welded in a > replacement "mount" from my old lawnmower deck which las

[MBZ] Help - Rear Right Lower control arm 1983 300D

2012-09-03 Thread Peter Hertzing
My Rear right lower control arm has bit the dust - and I have welded in a replacement "mount" from my old lawnmower deck which lasted about 3 months. Anyone have a used one? I am sure everyone knows that a new replacement costs more then a semester of college. Thanks f0r your help - again its a

Re: [MBZ] Help - Righ Rear Spring Perch

2012-08-21 Thread Mike Esh
That is about 6 hours from me. Whitehall, MI Michael E. Esh www.michaelesh.bodybyvi.com On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > Bloomington, IN. > > Mike Esh writes: > >> Where is your car located? >> >> Michael E. Esh >> www.michaelesh.bodybyvi.com >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2012

Re: [MBZ] Help - Righ Rear Spring Perch

2012-08-21 Thread Allan Streib
Bloomington, IN. Mike Esh writes: > Where is your car located? > > Michael E. Esh > www.michaelesh.bodybyvi.com > > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > >> Where are you located? Any interest in a parts car? I have an '83 300D >> that I'm thinking about selling. >> >> Alla

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