[MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Sunil Hari
I'm looking at a 1987 420SEL - 103Kmi, everything works, little to no rust. Timing chain changed, oil changed often, new radiator. What are the issues on these particular cars? I've only owned diesel MBs. Also, the guy wants $4k. Reasonable, or 2x reasonable? -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread OK Don
The fuel mileage??? Premium gasoline??? > > What are the issues on these particular cars? I've only owned diesel MBs. > -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
its on the high side, but probably not too far off for retail. Sunil Hari wrote: I'm looking at a 1987 420SEL - 103Kmi, everything works, little to no rust. Timing chain changed, oil changed often, new radiator. What are the issues on these particular cars? I've only owned diesel MBs. Also, t

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
you dont have to burn premium on those things. OK Don wrote: The fuel mileage??? Premium gasoline??? What are the issues on these particular cars? I've only owned diesel MBs. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.vengan

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Harry
Nice long wheel base Benz, low mileage for its age. Only a test drive will tell "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >you dont have to burn premium on those things. > >OK Don wrote: > >> The fuel mileage??? Premium gasoline??? >> >> >>>What are the issues on these particular cars? I'

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Sunil Hari
Oh Don, I don't care about gas costs. I've driven fuel-sippers long enough that it's time to balance the scales. On 9/27/05, Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nice long wheel base Benz, low mileage for its age. Only a test drive will > tell > > > "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread OK Don
OK then, the long 126 chassis is great. The 560 has even more power, but I would look at condition before quibbling over engine size. I really like the 300SDL. Same chassis, wonderful Diesel engine. On 9/27/05, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh Don, I don't care about gas costs. I've driv

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Harry
If everything works and there is no major rust or dents then its a steal if you really like it. "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Sunil wrote: > > > >"I'm looking at a 1987 420SEL - 103Kmi, everything works, little to no >rust. Timing chain changed, oil changed often, new radiator.

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Dave Wakin
TECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 10:16 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale I'm looking at a 1987 420SEL - 103Kmi, everything works, little to no rust. Timing chain changed, oil changed often, new radiator. What are

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > With more miles, you are probably looking at valve seals at some point. > Personally, I always wanted the 560, mostly for the heated seat feature > usually not found on the 420. I recently heard from a local part supplier that there is some ignition control box(?) under

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
It would be a steal if it was 89 and later. Those were more desirable Harry wrote: If everything works and there is no major rust or dents then its a steal if you really like it. "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SD

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
If you ever drove a 560, you would see what the difference is. You would then want one to play with on the weekends. Speaking of which, I really need to get out and un-mothball mine. OK Don wrote: OK then, the long 126 chassis is great. The 560 has even more power, but I would look at condi

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Harry
Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel economy "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If you ever drove a 560, you would see what the difference is.  You >would then want one to play wi

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread John M McIntosh
Well if you can get an S500 or 500SEL for 5K, then accept the fact *you could* spend $10K to $15K to fix everything that is broken, then I assure you it's a very nice ride. A S600 will add another 10K (easy) to that price. This assumes you hand it to your dealer and not want it back for abo

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Harry
Assuming you had to spend that much to fix everything that is broken would be a good bet you didn't buy it in the first place. If there is a lot that needs fixing its pretty much a sign that the previous owner was a idiot and didn't take care of it. John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Bob Rentfro
Harry observed: "the previous owner was a idiot" I think we all would agree that is all too often the case. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 140K Litchfield Park, AZ

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Harry
and proof that some have more money than brains "Bob Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Harry observed: > >"the previous owner was a idiot" > >I think we all would agree that is all too often the case. > >Bob Rentfro >'77 300D 140K >Litchfield Park, AZ > > >___

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread John M McIntosh
Well that assumes that you can find an owner idiot that will sell you a fixed perfect w140 for the same price as a broken w140. Since most of that money is going to fix faulty engineering it's hard for a smart owner to prevent it from becoming toast even if you do all the preventative maint

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread John M McIntosh
Let's see on ebay there is an s500 for sale for 20K, but no history info, one at 12k, some at 24k. one for 5K with a salvage history, flooded, but claim it's run the last 12 years. There is one at 3.5k, but the word abused does come to mind. I wonder if the missing steering wheel airbag is

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Kevin
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:41:36AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > It would be a steal if it was 89 and later. Those were more desirable What was more desirable about the 89-91 126 over the earlier ones? I have been eyeballing 560 SELs for a while. Everyone needs a rocket sled in their stable,

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Ed Booher
I take deep offense to the last line of your statement. Those of us offering $500 can't afford that $600,000 house you live in. [EMAIL PROTECTED] bourgeoisie. On 9/28/05, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:41:36AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > > It would be a steal i

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Kevin
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 05:05:51PM -0500, Ed Booher wrote: > I take deep offense to the last line of your statement. Those of us > offering $500 can't afford that $600,000 house you live in. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > bourgeoisie. *I* can't afford the 600k shacks that people buy around here, which is wh

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Bucks2
Better interior, door panels etc. Better radio with amp etc. At least in the SEC's that is true.. Ken, In a message dated 9/28/2005 2:55:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale To: Mercedes m

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
and more money to repair and maintain. Harry wrote: Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all the way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel economy "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The 89-91 had the updated interior, updated seats, updated 10 speaker sound system, 91 you could have a CD changer in the trunk. Kevin wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:41:36AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: It would be a steal if it was 89 and later. Those were more desirable What was

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-29 Thread Harry
Like a 560 is cheap to begin with "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >and more money to repair and maintain. > >Harry wrote: > >> Skip the 420 and 560, if I was going that far for my money I'd go all the >> way to a S500. Much nicer than a 560, more power and better fuel economy >>

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-29 Thread Harry
well I guess we can chalk that up as some real inventive geman engineering you'd think after being around for more than a century they would have gotten it right by now John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Well that assumes that you can find an owner idiot that will sell you   >a fixed

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-29 Thread Trampas
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:00 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale well I guess we can chalk that up as some real inventive geman engineering you'd think after being around for more than a century they would have

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-29 Thread Sunil Hari
t; > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Harry > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 5:00 AM > To: Mercedes mailing list > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale > > well I guess we can chalk that up as some real inventive ge

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-29 Thread OK Don
What mileage do get with the 420 and the 560? Is the difference significant? (Loving my SDL) On 9/29/05, Trampas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a 1987 420SEL and love the car. It has just about perfect power to > weight, that is the power is just enough not to feel like a slow car, but it > i

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-29 Thread John M McIntosh
Hence why did Mercedes thunder off the bottom of the reliability charts/surveys in the early part of this decade? On 29-Sep-05, at 2:00 AM, Harry wrote: well I guess we can chalk that up as some real inventive geman engineering you'd think after being around for more than a century they woul

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-29 Thread mykd1
Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: John M McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:15:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale Hence why did Mercedes thunder off

Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale

2005-09-29 Thread Trampas
er quit at 295k 1987 420SEL 221k miles 1991 560SEL 114k miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:11 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 420SEL for sale What mileage do get w