Nice looking car but price is dreaming?
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
Notice how much a 124 looks like a 140? No?
Isn't it's the other way around, since the 124 was designed first?
I always thought the 140 looks like a post-facelift (1994-'95) 124
that's been overinflated. Sort of a Macy's Parade
Anyone know anything about this w140 model? It has 90K miles and MB fixed
the wiring for the original owner.
Do they start to eat money after 100K miles? do they hold value?
All info appreciated-THX
Dwight (considering gasser.)
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.
I looked at several a couple of years ago, but the 500, not the 400. I
think all 400s were SE if not mistaken, but I could be wrong. For the same
money, I'd go for a 500 myself.
I'm not sure about eating money after 100,000 miles, they were a pretty
hungry car from the start, to maintain
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1993 400sel?
I looked at several a couple of years ago, but the 500, not the 400. I
think all 400s were SE
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I looked at several a couple of years ago, but the 500, not the 400. I
think all 400s were SE if not mistaken, but I could be wrong. For the same
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I looked at several a couple of years ago, but the 500, not the 400. I
think all 400s were SE if not mistaken, but I could be wrong. For the same
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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:06 PM
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Hi Dwight,
Yeah, the only way to justify a cheap Mercedes, is if you're feeling really
charitable, and you know of a Mercedes mechanic, who's family is really
The problem with the W140 is not mechanical, it's electronic. Self-
igniting climate control, engine control (one box, does everything)
and flaky wiring that fires the above again, make this a bad choice.
Owners were dumping them the day the extended warrenty ran out,
because they had
Of E M
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1993 400sel?
Hi Dwight,
Yeah, the only way to justify a cheap Mercedes, is if you're feeling really
charitable, and you know of a Mercedes mechanic, who's family is really in
need. ;-)
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On Behalf Of John Freer
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:07 PM
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Dwight, what dual chain upgrade? They all V8's except the early 380's.
Evaporators, wiring harness' and weak front ends are all early W140
concerns.
John
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1
14, 2009 5:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1993 400sel?
They're all great cars, just in different ways. A 240D could never give you
what an S can, but a S could never be the things that make a 240D great.
That's why I think you need to have one of each. ;-)
Ed
300E
2009
in 92 it was 400SE, in 93, 400SEL
E M wrote:
I looked at several a couple of years ago, but the 500, not the 400. I
think all 400s were SE if not mistaken, but I could be wrong. For the same
money, I'd go for a 500 myself.
I'm not sure about eating money after 100,000 miles, they were a
They all had dual timing chains, there is no upgrade there.
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Thanks Ed, this one is 400sel. It has had the dual timing chain upgrade.
I agree with your advice about not going cheap-I remember Marshall's words
about a cheap Mercedes.
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Never heard of having to program window motors, I have swapped plenty of
them out and never had to do that.
Peter Frederick wrote:
The problem with the W140 is not mechanical, it's electronic.
Self-igniting climate control, engine control (one box, does
everything) and flaky wiring that
or Porsche Posters?
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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1993 400sel?
They're all great cars, just in different ways. A 240D
E M pokieba...@gmail.com writes:
As for holding their value, well, ha ha ha. Look at the asking price of the
car you're looking at, and then look up what it cost new. There's you're
answer. ;-) Had you bought a V12 new, the pain would be that much worse if
you were selling!
There's a V12
Notice how much a 124 looks like a 140? No?
Wilton
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From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net
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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1993 400sel?
EM wrote you need to have one of each (a 240D
On the W140 and later models, they are smart motors with a serial
network connection to the convenience relay box, have to be programed
so that the computer knows which window to open. Supposedly so that
children will not be strangled by the window, but that doesn't take
Microsoft Windows
OK-maybe that's what he meant-now I recall that the 380 was the turning
point-ca 82 or 83 from single to dual.
I believe that ONLY the 380 motor, from '81 through '83,
had the cheap-ass single-row timing chain. Probably to
try to get better mileage due to less parasitic drag.
-- Jim
You're probably correct, as better milage was the only reason for the
existance of the 380 engine.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
I believe that ONLY the 380 motor, from '81 through '83,
had the cheap-ass single-row timing chain. Probably to
try to
M102 also had single row chain. It was not in USA models. 123 230E
etc. It is a little screamer. I have a single row chain and 102
tensioner for sale cheap, if anyone needs them
OK-maybe that's what he meant-now I recall that the 380 was the turning
point-ca 82 or 83 from single to
The M180 has a single chain... not sure if you were going that far back.
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:
M102 also had single row chain. It was not in USA models. 123 230E
etc. It is a little screamer. I have a single row chain and 102
tensioner for sale cheap, if anyone needs them
M102 also had single row chain.
Sorry, I was talking about V configurations where
chain wear is much greater than in I configurations,
due to all the extra flexing back and forth.
-- Jim
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
M102 also had single row chain. It was not in USA models. 123 230E etc.
It is a little screamer. I have a single row chain and 102 tensioner for
sale cheap, if anyone needs
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Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 5:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1993 400sel?
They're all great cars, just in different ways. A 240D could never give
you
what an S can, but a S could never be the things that make a 240D great.
That's
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Thanks Sunil-
Are these problems related to high mileage? Also this one is a southern
rust free beauty.
Dwight
A southern car is more likely to have wiring harness and evaporator
() problems. Then there are the suspension/shimmy problems that
resulted in the
Wondering what the pros and cons of one of these are? Any worries? Has
anybody had one? Friend found one with 65K..
TIA.
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D-250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles
Wickford, RI
: [MBZ] 1993 400SEL
If that's the 140 chassis, same problem as the 350SDL (minus the rodbending
issue) - expensive electrical fixes, evaporator issues, etc.
On 12/7/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wondering what the pros and cons of one of these are? Any worries? Has
anybody had
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Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 3:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1993 400SEL
If that's the 140 chassis, same problem as the 350SDL (minus the
rodbending
issue) - expensive electrical fixes, evaporator issues, etc.
On 12/7/06, Dwight E
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