Re: [MBZ] 4-matic repower?

2009-01-23 Thread RELNGSON
...I also think that is pretty much impossible to retro fit a OM onto the 4matic drive system. The M103 and the 4matic system where pretty much build to fit together like a puzzle... My goodness, even I know that the M103 for 4-matics had a unique oil pan to clear the shafts. Hasn't

Re: [MBZ] 4-matic repower?

2009-01-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:13 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I also think that is pretty much impossible to retro fit a OM onto the 4matic drive system. The M103 and the 4matic system where pretty much build to fit together like a puzzle... My goodness, even I know that the M103 for

Re: [MBZ] 4-matic repower?

2009-01-23 Thread Frederick W Moir
Hi, All. I have a 4-matic picture of the system mated to a 603, from MBZ. If anyone wants a butchers, let me know and I'll send it to them as an attachment. It's probably just one of those We won't make enough sales to justify the cost in the good ole US of A. Most 'mericans are too dumb to

Re: [MBZ] 4-matic repower?

2009-01-23 Thread tyler
But they already did! Apparently they sold them overseas, just not here. Tyler relng...@aol.com wrote: ...I also think that is pretty much impossible to retro fit a OM onto the 4matic drive system. The M103 and the 4matic system where pretty much build to fit together like a puzzle...

Re: [MBZ] 4-matic repower?

2009-01-23 Thread Hendrik Fay
Why yes, after I extensively research it, it would appears that a 300D and 300TD where built with a 4matic system. Hendrik who learned yet another thing tyler wrote: But they already did! Apparently they sold them overseas, just not here. Tyler ___

Re: [MBZ] 4-MATIC

2007-05-10 Thread RELNGSON
I don't know the answer to your question, but I asked my mechanic once about the 4Matic (he had a TD with 4Matic for sale, don't remember what year it was) and his answer was basically this: Like most Mercedes systems, they work well if they are maintained.  They don't tolerate neglect very

Re: [MBZ] 4-MATIC

2007-05-10 Thread TimothyPilgrim
thrifty little VW TDI. Tim 1982 300TD 1991 300TE 4Matic (actually 2Matic) 2000 VW Golf TDI -- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:53:03 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4-MATIC To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text

Re: [MBZ] 4-MATIC

2007-05-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 5/10/07, TimothyPilgrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm told by one former-Benz now indy mechanic that replacing the seals for the first transfer case (which had some seepage upon initial inspection) would be a $500 job. I'm told by another former-Benz now indy mechanic that there is only one

[MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread Zeitgeist
These are pretty cool, eh? http://www2.lut.fi/~holtta/mb/4matic/ -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane injection #22 (219k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread Jim Cathey
These are pretty cool, eh? http://www2.lut.fi/~holtta/mb/4matic/ Yes indeedy. Wonder which item is there to provide the front/rear slip? It wasn't completely obvious to me, but no doubt it has to be there. The page implied that there were 300D/300TD cars available with 4-matic. If there

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:56:45 -0800 Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are pretty cool, eh? http://www2.lut.fi/~holtta/mb/4matic/ Yes, indeed. They are also pretty complicated -- lots of things to break. Craig

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 11/15/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are pretty cool, eh? http://www2.lut.fi/~holtta/mb/4matic/ Yes indeedy. Wonder which item is there to provide the front/rear slip? It wasn't completely obvious to me, but no doubt it has to be there. Computer-controlled clutches of

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread Hendrik Riessen
the same principles - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato Computer-controlled clutches of some kind inside the center

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread Jim Cathey
Computer-controlled clutches of some kind inside the center differential, making the front/rear torque allotment variable. I didn't see anything like a third spider gear set. Maybe just a slip clutch, but it wasn't screamingly obvious to me, who can't read German except Was ist los, Aki? and

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread Zeitgeist
If I understand it correctly, the transfer of power to the front wheels is operated through the ASR system, which may be the same as found on 2wd vehicles. I suspect that if the rear wheels begin to slip, the computer sends hydraulic pressure to bear on the semi-locking rear diff and the

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread TimothyPilgrim
I knew there was a reason I kept subscribing to the digest. Nice find! Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah - Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 18:56:45 -0800 From: Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] These are pretty cool, eh?

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread TimothyPilgrim
Does anybody know of another resource the accurately explains the operation of the older 4Matic? I've found this one, but it's only a short writeup preceding a detailed explanation of the newer 4Matic system. http://www.whnet.com/4x4/ets.html Tim 1982 300TD Moby (for sale) 1991 300TE 4Matic

Re: [MBZ] 4-Matic schematics...neato

2006-11-16 Thread Marshall Booth
Jim Cathey wrote: These are pretty cool, eh? http://www2.lut.fi/~holtta/mb/4matic/ Yes indeedy. Wonder which item is there to provide the front/rear slip? It wasn't completely obvious to me, but no doubt it has to be there. The page implied that there were 300D/300TD cars available with